Author Topic: Temporary Restraining Order-CADL v. Michigan Open Carry, Inc. (Read 89958 times)

CV67PAT · « **Reply #60 on:** February 20, 2011, 11:37:46 AM »

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What!... Todd never heard about a desk pop before? Every gun shop has a desk pop at least once a year. That's just normal procedure,nothing to get worked up about. My last one was like in sept.08 LOL

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I don't think that he's allowed to do desk pops there. The storefront used to be an ice cream parlor. Kidz used to go there and read comic books. So it's grandfathered in as a gun free school zone in accordance with title 11CADL42.3(c):

"In order to create the impression of a safe and friendly environment, similar to a living room, any property and/or properties that may have been or may be heretofore occupied, used,and frequented by children, or may sometime in the future may be occupied, used or frequented by children is hereby declared to be a gun free zone."

I'm not certain if that includes Airsoft guns though. Maybe someone will poke the bees nest for us so we can get a test case going.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #61 on:** February 20, 2011, 12:49:48 PM »

Just got back from my carpenter's shop. He was fabricating me a custom wooden gun like Detroitbiker's. He's got a Class VI Wooden Gun Manufacturer and Fabricator's license from BATF (Bureau of Airsoft and Toy Firearms).

He's got some excellemt bird's eye maple that he was showing me that would really look kool for a new open carry piece.

The subject of a group buy came up for MOC. That's when the problems started.

He says that he can't fab me anything all because I am a member of MOC and am thereby restricted because of the TRO.

He also told me that if I have a knife in one hand and a piece of wood in the other, I would be in violation of the BATF rules because of constructive possession.

This whole thing is having far reaching ramifications. I will be extra careful now. I have removed all cutting boards and toothpicks from my trailer. Just so there can't be any implication involving constructive possession until this whole CADL thing has blown over.

I guess we'll just have to wait until then to get that group buy going.

northofnowhere · « **Reply #62 on:** February 22, 2011, 01:23:06 PM »

dial up friendly version of the TRO:

http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/cadl/

venator · « **Reply #63 on:** February 22, 2011, 03:00:57 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on February 18, 2011, 11:45:43 AM

Quote from: DetroitBiker on February 18, 2011, 08:07:43 AM
"The restraining order was granted the same day an 18-year-old Lansing man attended a CADL meeting at the downtown Lansing location with a gun. Lansing police were called to the scene and determined the gun was an airsoft gun, which is like a BB gun, Lt. Noel Garcia said. The man was asked to leave and left without incident, Garcia said." This was posted on Lansing State Journal dot com today
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110218/NEWS01/302180002/Capital-Area-District-Library-gets-restraining-order-on-gun-carriers?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE[/URL
An AIRSOFT GUN!, Anybody know if this is True or not?

AN AIRSOFT GUN???

It was not an air soft gun. It was a lawfully registered firearm as fefined and required by state law. It was registered some time ago and since that time the LDP has not issued him a PP for further firearms.

autosurgeon · « **Reply #64 on:** February 22, 2011, 03:16:24 PM »

Thank you for the information Ven.

TheQ · « **Reply #65 on:** February 23, 2011, 06:28:14 PM »

From MOC VP: TRO hearing postponed until March 8. Time: TBD.

TheElk · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2011, 08:40:03 PM »

What a bunch of statist crap.

northofnowhere · « **Reply #67 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:28:53 AM »

11 hour drive for me, glad I didn't decide to head down, as I had seriously given thought to it.

TheQ · « **Reply #68 on:** February 24, 2011, 07:39:51 AM »

Who makes the rules?

New City Pulse Story

emt805 · « **Reply #69 on:** February 24, 2011, 08:20:30 AM »

Quote from: TheQ on February 24, 2011, 07:39:51 AM

Who makes the rules?

New City Pulse Story

So they go back and forth one article says no firearms allowed the next saying cc is legal. This bender guy sounds as much of a flip flop as the cadl director.

Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero called Michigan Open Carry members’ protests of the library’s no-weapons policy “ridiculous.”

“If my kids were there, it doesn’t provide a great deal of comfort (to me),” he said of people openly carrying guns. “In fact, just the opposite. I find it hard to believe they are creating an atmosphere of safety.”

Bernero added: “I’d love to be able to legally prevent it,” acknowledging that the city can’t institute a ban on guns in public.[/Quote]

I'm glad I did not vote for him nor did he make it to governor

METL · « **Reply #70 on:** February 24, 2011, 10:20:09 AM »

So is "tyler" someone that used to post here?

TheQ · « **Reply #71 on:** February 24, 2011, 10:27:39 AM »

Quote from: METL on February 24, 2011, 10:20:09 AM

So is "tyler" someone that used to post here?

He is.

Super Trucker · « **Reply #72 on:** February 24, 2011, 12:44:09 PM »

Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero called Michigan Open Carry members’ protests of the library’s no-weapons policy “ridiculous.”

“If my kids were there, it doesn’t provide a great deal of comfort (to me),” he said of people openly carrying guns. “In fact, just the opposite. I find it hard to believe they are creating an atmosphere of safety.”

Bernero added: “I’d love to be able to legally prevent it,” acknowledging that the city can’t institute a ban on guns in public.[/Quote]

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I know this type of comment is a big part of the reasons I did not vote for this guy for Governor.

scot623 · « **Reply #73 on:** March 07, 2011, 06:21:10 PM »

Amended complaint from CADL adding that OC is brandishing.

http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/cadlvsmocamended.pdf

MOC motion to dissolve TRO

http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/moc_motion_and_brief_to_dissolve_ex_tro_filed.pdf

MOC response to show cause

http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/moc_response_to_show_cause_final.pdf

CV67PAT · « **Reply #74 on:** March 07, 2011, 07:04:27 PM »

Very good job counselors.

Some on my thoughts expressed quite eloquently.

The "Authority" can adopt as many rules and regulations that they wish. They in no way can supersede law.

And simple unfounded fear is not irreparable harm to the public.

And finally just who is MOC?

Sic 'em.

scot623 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 07, 2011, 07:28:05 PM »

I'm a member of the NRA and MGO....where is the TRO against them?

METL · « **Reply #76 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:00:47 AM »

So today is the hearing, no? What was the time? Will there be a ruling today? I think the responses sound pretty air tight..

TheQ · « **Reply #77 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:11:18 AM »

Quote from: METL on March 08, 2011, 11:00:47 AM

So today is the hearing, no? What was the time? Will there be a ruling today? I think the responses sound pretty air tight..

4:00 PM

CV67PAT · « **Reply #78 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:19:33 AM »

I think I read on one of the other official MOC forums that it is at 4PM.

Kudos to the counselors for their stellar efforts.

METL · « **Reply #79 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:58:40 AM »

Are we still encouraged to attend? I def. could be there...

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Author Topic: Temporary Restraining Order-CADL v. Michigan Open Carry, Inc. (Read 89958 times)