Author Topic: Donations Needed for MOC's legal defense of Temporary Restraining Order (Read 29143 times)

scot623 · « **on:** February 17, 2011, 09:53:01 PM »

Michigan Open Carry Inc. will need donations to pay for our legal defense of the temporary restraining order issued against us and our members(see other thread for details). Per legal counsel, a separate legal fund should not be created. All donations to MOC for this endeavor are much appreciated. A selfless MOC member has made a generous offer of $1000 in matching funds for the first $1000 donated. MOC has a PayPal page/account set up for electronic/credit card donations. There is a line which asks for "Purpose", please indicate "Legal Defense" and we will purpose those funds directly towards that end. Checks can also be sent to our PO box, please write "Legal Defense" in the notes section. Thank you in advance for your support.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=PDWLSZR4ANB5U

Michigan Open Carry
PO Box 8326
Eastpointe, MI 48021

Discussion about the TRO is here

autosurgeon · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:27:30 PM »

Donation sent

CV67PAT · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:42:12 PM »

I'm pretty tapped right now.

I've got a couple of things that I'm selling. As soon as something sells, I'll jump in.

But my question is, how long do I have to wait after making a donation before I can initiate a chargeback? DOOH!!!

kubel · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:49:34 PM »

Donation sent.

BTW: Facebook donation link doesn't work for me.

scot623 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:53:22 PM »

Pat, you are hilarious. And generous, thank you again for all you have done and will do for MOC. Thank you to all who have donated already.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:58:35 PM »

It's funny how things work. Someone that had interest in something I was selling saw the post I just made moments ago. He just called. We are completing the deal tomorrow so that I can jump in. Problem is that once again all my money is tied up in currency. So I guess we'll have to have coneys. LOL Scot, you buying again?

scot623 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:39:01 PM »

You bring the loot, I'll provide the coneys! Then again, we wouldn't want the appearance of quid pro quo, so you bring the loot AND buy the coneys this time! HA!

PDinDetroit · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2011, 09:33:12 AM »

Donation made.

METL · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2011, 09:52:13 AM »

It's not much, but I did what I could... there goes my membership fee!

TheQ · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2011, 01:04:49 PM »

Donation sent. Check will arrive on 2/24.

emt805 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2011, 06:08:54 AM »

Donation sent, membership will have to wait another week or two.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2011, 10:37:18 PM »

I was at the local toy store today, shopping for a new Airsoft for open carrying, and I ran into sprinklerguy.

He strong-armed me into making a donation.

No dinner for me tonight.

Super Trucker · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2011, 10:59:47 PM »

Done.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2011, 11:12:24 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on February 19, 2011, 10:37:18 PM

I was at the local toy store today, shopping for a new Airsoft for open carrying, and I ran into sprinklerguy.

He strong-armed me into making a donation.

No dinner for me tonight.

And he made me give it to him in cash so I couldn't do a chargeback.

And just so scot623 knows, I gave him $1000.00. So don't let him fool you.

RandyK · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2011, 11:27:39 PM »

Hey Pat,

I bought the frickin coneys!!!!!

CV67PAT · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2011, 03:10:08 AM »

Quote from: RandyK on February 22, 2011, 11:27:39 PM

Hey Pat,

I bought the frickin coneys!!!!!

Ooppps. Sorry.

To make it up to ya, I'll let ya buy again.

CrossPistols · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2011, 08:47:49 PM »

scot623 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2011, 10:16:56 PM »

A generous MOC member has offered $1000 matching funds on the next $1000 in donations received to our CADL vs MOC legal defense fund. THANK YOU!

MOC Legal Defense
PO box 8326
Eastpointe MI 48021

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...=PDWLSZR4ANB5U

TheQ · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2011, 07:50:47 AM »

Quote from: scot623 on March 16, 2011, 10:16:56 PM

A generous MOC member has offered $1000 matching funds on the next $1000 in donations received to our CADL vs MOC legal defense fund. THANK YOU!

MOC Legal Defense
PO box 8326
Eastpointe MI 48021

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...=PDWLSZR4ANB5U

Wunderbar!

Glock9mmOldStyle · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2011, 12:37:09 AM »

This is great news! Even if you can only give a dollar this offer doubles it, & don't be fooled in this battle for our freedom every single penny is going to count! Thanks for any help you can give towards this noble cause.

A generous MOC member has offered $1000 matching funds on the next $1000 in donations received to our CADL vs MOC legal defense fund. THANK YOU!

MOC Legal Defense
PO box 8326
Eastpointe MI 48021

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=PDWLSZR4ANB5U

ranttrmike · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2011, 01:58:31 PM »

Want help? Try the NRA. This is what they sent me:

The persons involved in this case will need to contact us directly, please have them call 800-392-8683.

Best regards,
Miranda Bond
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

emt805 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2011, 03:40:27 PM »

Quote from: ranttrmike on March 24, 2011, 01:58:31 PM

Want help? Try the NRA. This is what they sent me:

The persons involved in this case will need to contact us directly, please have them call 800-392-8683.

Best regards,
Miranda Bond
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

After the last ruling by the judge we are all involved.......

venator · « **Reply #22 on:** March 29, 2011, 09:48:54 AM »

Quote from: ranttrmike on March 24, 2011, 01:58:31 PM

Want help? Try the NRA. This is what they sent me:

The persons involved in this case will need to contact us directly, please have them call 800-392-8683.

Best regards,
Miranda Bond
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

From MOC, Incs attorney as posted on MGO...

"I spoke to someone at NRA-ILA this morning and was referred to Steve Dulan. I spoke to Steve this morning as well. Steve Dulan provides some legal assistance to MCRGO. He is also the representative for NRA-ILA in MI.

NRA will not be involved at a trial level, which is where we are right now, but NRA is likely to be involved at the appellate level, which is where this case will be going. That is NRA's usual pattern. We might be at the appellate level by fall.

MCRGO is likely to become more supportive in the litigation at the appellate level as well.

MCRGO is actively involved in seeking a legislative fix to the preemption issue. Dean and I have both spoken to Steve about this and the ideas about legislation from some MGO posts and from Dean and me are being heard. I want to recognize PDinDetroit - I have discussed some of his ideas with Steve and one or more of those concepts may well end up in a draft to be introduced in coming weeks.

It sends a very positive message to MCRGO, NRA, and the opposition that MGO will soon file a motion to intervene. That indicates a growth in and broader support for the litigation and a showing that this is about all gun rights and not open carry.

The key message that must be sustained is that this case is about gun control and the ability of governmental entities to do whatever they want when it comes to regulating guns, and not about open carry. As soon as this theme gets derailed and becomes only about OC, there will be problems in sustaining support.

As I and others have emphasized - patience and sustained contacts with the other orgs helps."

Golden Eagle · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2011, 07:36:37 PM »

mine just sent by snail.

onnie0047@gmail.com · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2011, 08:18:00 AM »

13 months ago, I found MOC, had I not, I WOULD have been jammed up by now!
I tend to go alone at things. I in general do not join groups!

But when I got my first pistol I wanted to make sure I did not do anything that would put me in jail out of ignorance.

Over the last 13 month I have visited all the 3 forms MOC leadership and active members visit for guidance and education.

I can say that there are some members I read every post and others, I wont even read the first word. But all in all, each day I read I get more of an education.

While I am not totally versed in the MCL's I think I understand them as much as I can and have read and re-read them many many times to verify what a post says or does not say.

Without MOC I would still be hiding my gun as if it was a dirty little secret

THAT'S WHY, in May I went to my bank and had them take out a weekly deduction from my bank account and send it directly to MOC for the CADL Vs MOC fund

its not a lot, and if my run short in my account, its not going to overdraw me either. I set an amount I know I can handle each week without even worrying about it.

I'm not sure how many other MOC "followers" are doing this, I don't think anyone else, but for the price of a pack of smokes a week from others who follow the open carry movement 5.00 a week WILL make a big difference in keeping open carry legal in the state of MICHIGAN.

i URGE all who read this FORUM, the forum for open carry at MGO and OCDO to go to their bank or paypal and set up a weekly deduction of 5.00 for the CADL vs MOC legal fund to help pay the legal expenses.

once the case is over, and we WIN! I will quietly stop my payment for this lawsuit.

Thanks for reading

Randy

Glock9mmOldStyle · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2011, 09:32:14 AM »

You are spot on Onnie! I have contributed to this fund and hope for the best (little hard to know the outcome when Judges rule based on feelings???). One thing I can say is this - If open carry is ever to be taken seriously it needs to bloody the nose of the anti-oc elements in government (L.Brooks Patterson) etc... This case was brought because the corrupt officials in Lansing saw the "chink" in the OC movements armor, and that is the lack of a general defense fund and the ability to defend against these frivolous legal [illegal] actions using our own tax dollars against us. They will throw away money without a care all while crying "poor mouth"!

Far too often OCers are singled out by corrupt departments and left to fight the entire legal system [with its unlimited resources] on their own. Most people cannot afford the tens of thousands of dollars it can take to fight a "trumped up" charge(s) and are left to "twist in the wind" so to speak by the OC community.

Let this be a warning to all who OC, you do so at your own risk! {please continue to carry, better to risk a bad LEO than a Bad guy encounter}. If you are targeted for whatever reason by a bad apple in law enforcement / city government you are on your own! There is no funding in place at this time, and as I see it, none planned in the coming future. So keep these thoughts in the back of your mind:
1. Can I afford the costs of a defense?
2. Can I afford the multiple days off from work a trial will bring and the loss of income; will I lose my job?
3. Am I ready for the months or even years, I could have my life turned upside down dealing with the legal[illegal] system?

It's a personal choice to OC, but without a dedicated group to stand LEGALLY/FINANCIALLY behind individual OCers we will never truly be safe! I hope this post gets you thinking about some of the risks, and if it does, take action. Ask our leaders to establish a General legal defense fund and donate to as suggested above by Onnie. Why? Because one day you could be the "unlucky" OCer.

markjason · « **Reply #26 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:43:36 AM »

i havent been on paypal in like 5 years if it has any funds in it ill send it your way

Super Trucker · « **Reply #27 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:01:08 PM »

Quote from: markjason on February 03, 2012, 10:43:36 AM

i havent been on paypal in like 5 years if it has any funds in it ill send it your way

Pay-Pal isn't the only option. Most MOC events will have a board member present, I am about 98% sure they would gladly accept a donation in person (be sure to specify what it is for), I imagine there is a place you can mail a check for a donation as well.

TheQ · « **Reply #28 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:11:08 PM »

Quote from: Super Trucker on February 03, 2012, 10:01:08 PM

Quote from: markjason on February 03, 2012, 10:43:36 AM
i havent been on paypal in like 5 years if it has any funds in it ill send it your way

Pay-Pal isn't the only option. Most MOC events will have a board member present, I am about 98% sure they would gladly accept a donation in person (be sure to specify what it is for), I imagine there is a place you can mail a check for a donation as well.

Yeah...

Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
P.O. Box 8326
Eastpointe, MI 48021

Specify "CADL Legal Fund" in the memo.

fsRick · « **Reply #29 on:** February 07, 2012, 11:42:39 AM »

I've looked a lot to find out the mentioned Temporary Restraining Order & need for donations. I'd like to read what this is about first before I donate. Would someone send a link or something. Thank you much.Rick

hamaneggs · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:13:45 PM »

Quote from: fsRick on February 07, 2012, 11:42:39 AM

I've looked a lot to find out the mentioned Temporary Restraining Order & need for donations. I'd like to read what this is about first before I donate. Would someone send a link or something. Thank you much.Rick

I bumped the CADL thread to the top of the thread list below.

TheQ · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:24:06 PM »

http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,1084.0.html

TERMINATOR · « **Reply #32 on:** April 03, 2012, 02:29:57 PM »

What is the latest on this?

I made a donation but am not clear where this is at?

Thanks

TheQ · « **Reply #33 on:** April 03, 2012, 02:54:02 PM »

Quote from: TERMINATOR on April 03, 2012, 02:29:57 PM

What is the latest on this?

I made a donation but am not clear where this is at?

Thanks

Hearing probably late Spring with a decision to follow a month or two later.

You should join us during our Board Meetings on teamspeak. We speak of the case every month

Members of leadership are encouraged to attend -- also any member is invited.

TERMINATOR · « **Reply #34 on:** April 03, 2012, 03:14:26 PM »

Quote from: TheQ on April 03, 2012, 02:54:02 PM

Quote from: TERMINATOR on April 03, 2012, 02:29:57 PM
What is the latest on this?

I made a donation but am not clear where this is at?

Thanks

Hearing probably late Spring with a decision to follow a month or two later.

You should join us during our Board Meetings on teamspeak. We speak of the case every month

Members of leadership are encouraged to attend -- also any member is invited.

Unless I have a work conflict (I travel frequently) I will. Is the schedule posted somewhere?

Thanks Q

TheQ · « **Reply #35 on:** April 03, 2012, 03:49:19 PM »

Quote from: TERMINATOR on April 03, 2012, 03:14:26 PM

Unless I have a work conflict (I travel frequently) I will. Is the schedule posted somewhere?

Thanks Q

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TERMINATOR · « **Reply #36 on:** April 03, 2012, 04:27:51 PM »

Quote from: TheQ on April 03, 2012, 03:49:19 PM

Quote from: TERMINATOR on April 03, 2012, 03:14:26 PM

Unless I have a work conflict (I travel frequently) I will. Is the schedule posted somewhere?

Thanks Q

4th Tuesday of every month at 9:00 PM.

Teamspeak Tutorial here

Cool

I found it (logically enough LOL) on the events calendar on the home page

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Author Topic: Donations Needed for MOC's legal defense of Temporary Restraining Order (Read 29143 times)