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Offline autosurgeon

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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2011, 11:32:01 AM »
I assume you meant go from defence to offence....

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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2011, 11:36:19 AM »
Quote from: autosurgeon on February 20, 2011, 11:32:01 AM
I assume you meant go from defence to offence....

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Well I guess your right, I mean we OC and get harassed, then we have to defend. I want to make the first move, A pass or run move so you tell me.  In the end it will be a defense of rights.
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2011, 11:42:14 AM »
Quote from: autosurgeon on February 20, 2011, 11:32:01 AM
I assume you meant go from defence to offence....

Maybe he meant to gets off da fence.

And why are we discussing fences? Aren't they a bit hard to open carry?
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2011, 01:21:15 PM »
An good offence is the best defence... however unfortunatly we are not always given the luxery of knowing what others are planning so we end up on defence.



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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2011, 01:36:50 PM »
Quote from: autosurgeon on February 20, 2011, 01:21:15 PM
An good offence is the best defence... however unfortunatly we are not always given the luxery of knowing what others are planning so we end up on defence.



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I get it now...

Getting off fence is best for dee fence.

That must be why my dad always yelled at me to get off thee fence.
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2011, 02:13:16 PM »
Quote from: CrossPistols on February 20, 2011, 11:14:39 AM
    What we need is to drop this OC and CPL debate and go straight to Suing Congressman for violating State and U.S.Constitutions........ Remember when we started OC'ing?  We didn't get a lawyer to sue, we risked getting arrested and harassed. Some of us walked by our selves and got Harassed, so we grouped together and got Harassed but we won because we are Right.  "Strength in Numbers"

Just out of my own curiousity, to bring this back to the topic of your original post;  when your CPL expires, will you continue to "vehicle carry" and enter "PFZ's" in the same manner as you do now with the CPL?    Forgive me if I am wrong, but at this juncture, OC'n in a park, restuarant, etc, and having to deal with uneducated police & bad city ordinances, is on a different level than dealing with police during a traffic stop and your handgun is holstered, sitting on the seat, etc.... 

Just curious.... 
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2011, 02:13:43 PM »
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2011, 09:17:28 PM »
Quote from: 13mile9 on February 20, 2011, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: CrossPistols on February 20, 2011, 11:14:39 AM
    What we need is to drop this OC and CPL debate and go straight to Suing Congressman for violating State and U.S.Constitutions........ Remember when we started OC'ing?  We didn't get a lawyer to sue, we risked getting arrested and harassed. Some of us walked by our selves and got Harassed, so we grouped together and got Harassed but we won because we are Right.  "Strength in Numbers"

Just out of my own curiousity, to bring this back to the topic of your original post;  when your CPL expires, will you continue to "vehicle carry" (Yes) and enter "PFZ's" in the same manner as you do now with the CPL? (Yes)    Forgive me if I am wrong, but at this juncture, OC'n in a park, restuarant, etc, and having to deal with uneducated police & bad city ordinances, is on a different level than dealing with police during a traffic stop and your handgun is holstered, sitting on the seat, etc.... 

Just curious.... A PFZ requires you to have a CPL, does not say you have to have it on you. There fore as long as I open carry the cops won't know whether I have a CPL or not, and since the Fire arm is not Concealed I don't have to disclose.  Regardless I don't intend to hide anything the idea is to go about my normal daily schedule, if stopped and questioned, all I will do is ask if I am being detained, if so I will plead the 4th, and 5th. 

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. U.S. 230 F 486 at 489

"Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them." Miranda v. Ariz., 384 U.S. 436 at 491 (1966).

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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2011, 02:36:23 AM »
Hats off to you sir! We all should remember that if our ancesters never violated any laws there would be no United States of America. I am very apprehensive about it, but your words are in my mind now. And I fear they are getting comfortable...
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2011, 06:58:09 AM »
Quote from: jeffsayers on February 21, 2011, 02:36:23 AM
Hats off to you sir! We all should remember that if our ancestors never violated any laws there would be no United States of America. I am very apprehensive about it, but your words are in my mind now. And I fear they are getting comfortable...

The Beauty here Jeff is that I won't be breaking any Lawful laws, Only exercising a right. The cops will be Violating the Law Ironic aren't it?

It reminds me of the Army, they told us we had to follow orders of the higher ranking, up to but not more than an Unlawful order.  I was held to that standard, and had to know the difference. I think we should hold our Legislative and Judicial Officers to the same Standard.
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2011, 09:55:20 AM »
You know, after a couple hours sleep...

Can we count on our constitutions anymore? Do any units of government actually abide by them? For pete's sake at this very moment we have an order signed by a judge effectively revoking our right to petition a local unit of government for redress off our grievances!

Starting to think this should be saved for the revolution and continue to work with the corrupted system for the time being. Not to say the thinking has stopped...
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2011, 02:13:04 PM »
Quote from: jeffsayers on February 21, 2011, 02:36:23 AM
........ I am very apprehensive about it, but your words are in my mind now. And I fear they are getting comfortable...

in agreement.

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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2011, 10:49:13 PM »
I fully agree with CrossPistols, however, I do not have the legal fund to fight for constitutional carry.
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2011, 10:05:07 AM »
Quote from: TheSzerdi on February 21, 2011, 10:49:13 PM
I fully agree with CrossPistols, however, I do not have the legal fund to fight for constitutional carry.

I don't either, then again I didn't have the funds for OC either, but I felt I was right enough to fight! Almost Compelled and  I was Harassed, but in the end I was right, and I am right Here as well. Ted Nugent said it in the last video Posted on MOC..."If there were no document, lets say I was put down here on earth all by my self, I Have a Right to Defend Myself"     " Anytime, Anywhere, with Anything."
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2011, 05:29:23 PM »
2X checking out MI restriction: must have a license to BUY handgun (varies by state).  Are BAFT C&Relics (i.e. older CZ 82 commonly available ready to role-play c. $220-260...)EXEMPT from need to secure permit/license before ordering/buying a hand gun in Michigan?  If exempt for holders of a C&R $30 BAFT license (good for c. 4-5 years maybe); may they therefore be carried OPENLY alongside more red-taped hand weapons owned by others who SECURED a permit to purchase from  local police department?
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Re: Letting CPL Expire
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2011, 11:14:46 PM »
Quote from: markculbert on March 01, 2011, 05:29:23 PM
2X checking out MI restriction: must have a license to BUY handgun (varies by state).  Are BAFT C&Relics (i.e. older CZ 82 commonly available ready to role-play c. $220-260...)EXEMPT from need to secure permit/license before ordering/buying a hand gun in Michigan?  If exempt for holders of a C&R $30 BAFT license (good for c. 4-5 years maybe); may they therefore be carried OPENLY alongside more red-taped hand weapons owned by others who SECURED a permit to purchase from  local police department?
As I understand it, even an FFL dealer has to register all the handguns he has on stock.  So this also applies to a C&R license holder as well.  Perhaps even more so, since a C&R license means you're a collector, not a dealer.
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