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Offline smellslikemichigan

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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2011, 03:20:27 PM »
don't worry, i don't feel like we're having an argument, just a civil discussion.
joel wrote:
"A couple of weeks ago someone got cute about their right to carry open and openly carried a shotgun into the Lansing Public Library."
"My admonishion is this: Remember that you do not live in an insulated bubble and your actions have repercussions both negative and positive."
"Let's make sure we temper our actions with our long term goals in mind!"

these were the statements i was referring to.  IMO there is nothing "cute" about exercising ones rights.  my rights are not subject to the emotional responses they may cause in someone else.  i love when people use this one, so i'm going to ask it.  was rosa parks "cute" when she sat in the front of the bus?  or was she simply exercising a preexisting right?
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2011, 03:27:20 PM »
Rosa Parks wasn't an attention whore.
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2011, 03:30:40 PM »
haha, there needs to be a godwin's law for rosa parks ;)
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2011, 01:13:53 AM »
smellslikemichigan, you really couldn't be more wrong about JEFulton.  I know him, his wife, and his brother and they are a driving force for the rights of gun owners in the Battle Creek & Marshall area.  They have tremendous contact and influence with the gun owners in this area and it would behoove MOC to have the Fultons as allies.

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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2011, 07:47:08 AM »
then he needs to choose his words more carefully
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2011, 02:07:43 PM »
Quote from: smellslikemichigan on March 25, 2011, 07:47:08 AM
then he needs to choose his words more carefully

It would appear that he chose his words carefully... On both sides of the discussion.

It takes a bit of skill to be able to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2011, 10:55:26 PM »
Gentlemen might I remind you that we are not always going to agree on every detail in this fight. However that does not mean we need to attack a brother who has a proven track record such as JEFulton.

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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2011, 03:12:31 AM »
Quote from: autosurgeon on March 25, 2011, 10:55:26 PM
Gentlemen might I remind you that we are not always going to agree on every detail in this fight. However that does not mean we need to attack a brother who has a proven track record such as JEFulton.

You are so right autosurgeon. Except that JEFulton just doesn't even seem to agree with himself:

Quote from: JEFulton on March 20, 2011, 12:12:24 PM
A couple of weeks ago someone got cute about their right to carry open and openly carried a shotgun into the Lansing Public Library.  Now a bill has been introduced into the Michigan Senate to add to the list of "Pistol Free Zones", public libraries.  All of this while we have bills in both houses of the Michigan legislature.  Now because of this incident, those bills have stalled.  My admonishion is this: Remember that you do not live in an insulated bubble and your actions have repercussions both negative and positive.

Quote from: JEFulton on March 21, 2011, 04:06:43 PM
Is the Lansing PD still refusing to issue this young gentlman his purchase permit?  If so, have him contact me (Joel Fulton)...
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2011, 01:58:46 PM »
Quote from: CV67PAT on March 26, 2011, 03:12:31 AM
Quote from: autosurgeon on March 25, 2011, 10:55:26 PM
Gentlemen might I remind you that we are not always going to agree on every detail in this fight. However that does not mean we need to attack a brother who has a proven track record such as JEFulton.

You are so right autosurgeon. Except that JEFulton just doesn't even seem to agree with himself:

Quote from: JEFulton on March 20, 2011, 12:12:24 PM
A couple of weeks ago someone got cute about their right to carry open and openly carried a shotgun into the Lansing Public Library.  Now a bill has been introduced into the Michigan Senate to add to the list of "Pistol Free Zones", public libraries.  All of this while we have bills in both houses of the Michigan legislature.  Now because of this incident, those bills have stalled.  My admonishion is this: Remember that you do not live in an insulated bubble and your actions have repercussions both negative and positive.

Quote from: JEFulton on March 21, 2011, 04:06:43 PM
Is the Lansing PD still refusing to issue this young gentlman his purchase permit?  If so, have him contact me (Joel Fulton)...

Hi Pat,

I get your issue here, but taking things in context is always a good thing. He offered to help after the situation was fully explained to him. I know you dislike Lil_freak & that's your right, but he did nothing illegal that I know of so far in this event. So far the only people breaking the law are the: LPD, CADL & The Judge in this case. Go figure aye? I also know how much you love poking sticks in peoples eyes on the board, hey if that makes you smile, I say have at it Sir ;) I know you are a true supporter of our 2A rights & that's all that matters to me!

Carry on openly/concealed or whatever in between... :P

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No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2011, 03:09:19 PM »
Quote from: autosurgeon on March 25, 2011, 10:55:26 PM
Gentlemen might I remind you that we are not always going to agree on every detail in this fight. However that does not mean we need to attack a brother who has a proven track record such as JEFulton.

I'm sorry, I don't know who Joel Fulton is, should I?
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2011, 04:40:38 PM »
Quote from: JEFulton on March 23, 2011, 12:49:46 PM
Glock9mmOldStyle, you are correct that there are no penalties in the law for agencies who arbitraily deny someone a permit to purchase a handgun.  That is where the aAttorney General's Office comes in.  The Michigan AG has the ability, on behalf of the citizen, to sue the agency for failing to comply with the law.  It is a fairly large club and the mere threat of the suit is often more than enough to bring the agency into compliance.  It was used quite effectively here in Battle Creek several years ago when they were illegally charging $20 for purchase permits.  They are now free thanks to the Michigan AG (Mike Cox at the time)!!
Yes,their new boss can force them to abide by the law!
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2011, 04:55:22 PM »
Q, I don't know who is either...mainly because I am not from that area.   But, several people in MOC seem to know who is.   Once understanding this bit of information (that a few folks here know him and know about him), his opening post baffled me even further. 

His post came across as if he didnt' know anyone associated with MOC, and set the tone for thread.   


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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2011, 12:02:41 AM »
Joel is the owner of the gun shop where we met for the Battle Creek OC walk, IIRC.
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2011, 12:44:32 AM »
Quote from: mosnar87 on March 28, 2011, 12:02:41 AM
Joel is the owner of the gun shop where we met for the Battle Creek OC walk, IIRC.

Yep you hit the nail on the head!
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2011, 10:00:34 AM »
Joel is a very passionate and staunch supporter of the 2A.  He spoke at the 2A March rally in Lansing last year and attended the rally in D.C.  He donated his time and money to the March.  He is very politically involved in gun right issues. 
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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2011, 03:26:18 PM »
Why would he think its cute for someone to strut into the library with a shotgun then?
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2011, 03:28:31 PM »
no seemed to have an answer when i brought that up too...

*cricket*
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Re: No Carry in Libraries - MI SB4438
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2011, 10:14:42 AM »
Wait, correct me if I'm wrong...

Isn't the legal age to purchase a pistol 21? You can own one as early as 18 (in other words, register it) but it has to have been given to you as a gift because  you must be 21 to purchase one yourself.

Or am I totally messed up?
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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2011, 11:31:07 AM »
you're almost right.  however, it is legal to purchase a pistol under 21, just not from an FFL.  you have to do it from a private individual.
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« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2011, 11:37:52 AM »
Ah, okay. But then, do you still need a purchase permit if you're buying from an individual?

(I'm studying up to get my FFL... lol.)
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