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Offline Helljumper09

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Hooters Get Together
« on: March 27, 2011, 04:08:04 PM »
A couple of friends and I are going to Hooters on wednesday march 30th. anybody wanting to stop by would be welcome to come. Just dinner and drinks and shooting the breeze.
Accidents happen when some idiot puts his boogerhook on the bang switch!

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2011, 05:51:27 PM »
May want to put what area you are in.    You might get more response that way!    ;D ;D
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2011, 05:55:21 PM »
I think he means the South Lansing Hooters on Edgewood.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2011, 07:35:51 PM »
I think he means the Roseville Hooters on Gratiot.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2011, 09:16:09 PM »
I think he means the Roseville Hooters on Gratiot.

Unlikely, since I have personal knowledge he lives in the Lansing area.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2011, 09:23:27 PM »
I think he means the Roseville Hooters on Gratiot.

Unlikely, since I have personal knowledge he lives in the Lansing area.

I have personal knowledge that there is a Hooters in Roseville.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2011, 10:17:01 PM »
I have personal knowledge that there is a Hooters in Roseville.

Have a get together on the same night. You can be with them in spirit.
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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 12:21:42 AM »
I have personal knowledge that there is a Hooters in Roseville.

Have a get together on the same night. You can be with them in spirit.


oh man... I lol'd...     anyways, what's the rule on the hooters action?  Is that a CPL OC?    I could hit hooters with a stone from my house...       also, can I non-CPL CC on my bike?   (pedal)   

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 12:27:02 AM »
...also, can I non-CPL CC on my bike?   (pedal)   

This is not a serious question. Is it?

Edit to add:

Just in case it is a serious question, the answer is NO!!!
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2011, 02:29:42 AM »
I have personal knowledge that there is a Hooters in Roseville.

Have a get together on the same night. You can be with them in spirit.


oh man... I lol'd...     anyways, what's the rule on the hooters action?  Is that a CPL OC?    I could hit hooters with a stone from my house...       also, can I non-CPL CC on my bike?   (pedal)   

Like above but my guess is you typed CC and ment OC. That is still a no.

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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2011, 02:31:23 AM »
Yes Q, the Hooters on Edgewood in Lansing. The time really isnt set yet but will be by Monday or Tuesday. I will post for sure time before Wednesday. Hope to see a few there. It really won't be an MOC get together but just to sit and chat. Who's comin?
Accidents happen when some idiot puts his boogerhook on the bang switch!

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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2011, 09:23:45 AM »
Whoops!   I blew it..  Yeah, I meant OC w/o CPL on my bicycle.  Haha..  hooters is about a 1 min bike ride from my house...   

Sorry for the confusion.    Thanks for the answers.  Why can you not OC on your bicycle?  (curious)

Since this is a "non MOC" function, does this mean I can bring my bazooka?    (kidding of course)

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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2011, 05:27:30 PM »
Whoops!   I blew it..  Yeah, I meant OC w/o CPL on my bicycle.  Haha..  hooters is about a 1 min bike ride from my house...   

Sorry for the confusion.    Thanks for the answers.  Why can you not OC on your bicycle?  (curious)

Since this is a "non MOC" function, does this mean I can bring my bazooka?    (kidding of course)

Because your operating a vehicle. Basically the law says you can't operate a vehicle without it being considered concealed. The definition of a vehicle basically is a mode of transportion thats faster then walking therefore a bicycle even if powered by you is still a vehicle. Its a gray area I OCed well on a bicycle without knowing about this I no longer do.

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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2011, 06:32:42 PM »
Just to let you guys know, I will be the guy in the black hooded jacket and the green John Deere hat. like I said prolly around 7 or so. will be checking the time out tonight.
Accidents happen when some idiot puts his boogerhook on the bang switch!

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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2011, 11:31:54 PM »
Again, I'll ask...  can you OC at hooters w/o CPL?

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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2011, 12:00:26 AM »
Again, I'll ask...  can you OC at hooters w/o CPL?

NO! If they have a License to sell booze no carry without a CPL period! Once you have a CPL then you need to worry about the income source clause if they make the majority of their money from booze then the only way to legally carry their would be = w/CPL & OC only.  ::) Also be advised that the President of MOC has posted that HOOTERS Corp. sent a letter to all MI. locations stating that firearms are not allowed in their stores OC/CC doesn't matter - you risk going to jail for carrying in there. WARNING, WARNING, WARNING!!!
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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2011, 12:24:18 AM »
Hmmm.

First, I did not receive any letter from Hooters specifically stating that I could not be in possession of a firearm in any of their locations. So until I am informed otherwise, your warning serve no purpose to me.

Secondly, if it is in fact the policy of the business to bar lawfully armed patrons, what is the purpose of a meet and greet being held there?
This is the Michigan Open Carry forum. And of course, even though it is not an official MOC event, it most certainly will be view as such.

Thirdly, hasn't it been proposed that we vote with our wallets and our feet?
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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2011, 08:57:20 AM »
Again, I'll ask...  can you OC at hooters w/o CPL?

NO! If they have a License to sell booze no carry without a CPL period! Once you have a CPL then you need to worry about the income source clause if they make the majority of their money from booze then the only way to legally carry their would be = w/CPL & OC only.  ::) Also be advised that the President of MOC has posted that HOOTERS Corp. sent a letter to all MI. locations stating that firearms are not allowed in their stores OC/CC doesn't matter - you risk going to jail for carrying in there. WARNING, WARNING, WARNING!!!

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Dear Mr. Horner,

Thank you for your e mail concerning your experience in our Kalamazoo Michigan location. As for our policy concerning firearms in Hooters locations we do not have one. It is our practice to follow the laws in the respective states we do business in. Towards that end our managers are instructed that should questions arise about an armed guest they should have the local law enforcement authorities make the determination if a guest is in compliance. It is my understanding that is what happened in your case. The situation of guest entering our locations armed is something that happens so rarely it is not practical to train managers in how to deal with it. I have worked for Hooters for 20 years and been to our units all over the world and I have never felt my safety required carrying a weapon.

Again thanks for your communication and hopefully I answered your question.

Mike McNeil
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Hooters of America
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php?topic=1038.0

According to this post they are to follow state law.

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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 04:01:33 PM »
I think you guys are misunderstanding. All I am saying is that if you are in the lansing area on wednesday night and want to stop by, thats great. You don't have to be armed if you don't want to. If you come armed, great, that's your choice and no one elses. We are not discussing the legality of carrying firearms at Hooters and that isn't why I posted this anyway. It has been posted by someone before that Hooters of Lansing has no problem with people carrying at their location. If you want to, do it, if you don't want to, don't. But please do not tell other people what they can and cannot do. I was hoping that this was to be a friendly get together. Lets keep it that way.
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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2011, 08:58:25 PM »
Can any of you read? Apparently only selectively? Pat do whatever you want..as always; the rest of you if you ask a question, then you don't like the answer, .....my information is based off the latest know communications from their HQ office to our President Mr. Webb, if they've changed their minds since then great, but I doubt it. Also are you willing to risk your freedom & thousands of dollars in legal fees just to see some TA TA's come on!

I DO NOT patronize any dump that tries to squash my freedoms period! Hot girls or not!
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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2011, 02:02:42 PM »
Can any of you read? Apparently only selectively? Pat do whatever you want..as always; the rest of you if you ask a question, then you don't like the answer, .....my information is based off the latest know communications from their HQ office to our President Mr. Webb, if they've changed their minds since then great, but I doubt it. Also are you willing to risk your freedom & thousands of dollars in legal fees just to see some TA TA's come on!

I DO NOT patronize any dump that tries to squash my freedoms period! Hot girls or not!

Please explain and cite applicable laws where a letter to the president of MOC has any bearing on any other individual other than him. And how anyone's freedom is at risk.

If this is your opinion, please state so. Your post makes it appear as if there is some legal basis for it, albeit erroneous.

Many people rely upon this site for accurate information. Opinions, as such, should be presented as such so that readers can make valued decisions.

Insofar as the meet itself is concerned, having placed the information in this area of the forum infers that it is an open carry activity. Because of this it can be expected that the discussion will natural evolve into a discussion of the practice. If it is not an open carry activity, then the moderators should move it to a more appropriate thread category.

Furthermore, a valid question was asked by a poster regarding open carry in the establishment. The resounding NO was a valid response. It was not an attempt to tell him not to do something simply for the sake of telling him what to do. I was for the expressed purpose of keeping him from violating the law.

Additionally, there is no necessity to give me your blessings to do whatever I want, because I do. That's what freemen do. But thanks anyway.
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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2011, 02:21:38 PM »
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?88517-Hooters-Get-Together
See post #4. I take him for his word, I know him personally, as you do and he has yet to steer me wrong on any firearms related issues or questions.

Private property rules apply, you know this Pat. You can be asked to leave by any property owner, failure to comply can result trespass charges being brought against you. :o

For someone who is so all  knowing you don't know much...or is it you're just trying to stir up the pot more? Yes that's probably it, we all know how you relish in that endeavor!

 If you would like a demonstration on how private property rules work PM me. I'll give you my address, you can stop by. When I see your sidearm, I'll ask you to leave, when you don't I'll call 911 with a MWAG call and we'll see how well it works out for you aye?  :P

You kind of remind me of this guy sometimes...just..saying...you Sir are a humbug from time to time. Carry on.


 Peace be with you Pat.
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2011, 05:12:55 PM »
No offense to any one person, but I move to lock this thread.  we are in the Media eye too much for this kinda rhetoric in the General discussion.
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Re: Hooters Get Together
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2011, 07:32:53 PM »
I think this thread has more than run it's course. I am locking it!
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