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Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« on: April 22, 2011, 04:44:47 AM »
Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
Pastor's Gun Goes Off Outside Fox 2

Moments after he appeared live on Fox 2's "Let it Rip" show, Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges in the station parking lot. Southfield Police say it was an accident and no charges were filed. *Pastor Terry Jones Live on "Let It Rip"

The controversy over a planned protest in Dearborn is the subject of this week's Let it Rip with Huel Perkins. Controversial Pastor Terry Jones sits next to the Imam who leads Dearborn's Islamic Center of America. VIDEO REPLAY>>

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 10:24:57 PM »
Wow...  what a jackass.  Well, let me explain.. I already KNEW he was...  and he has proved it... but I didnt' even think he could be THAT much of an idiot.   WOW>

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 12:58:40 AM »
Yes gets you to think. ::) ::)
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 03:20:42 AM »
What is odd about a certain aspect of the overall story is that during the trial yesterday of the organization's denied permit is that there was a protest of Jones held, WITHOUT ANY PERMIT, at the very site that Jones was denied a permit to hold his protest.

Interesting that those that preach tolerance the most are the most intolerant.

Also that some who preach protection of rights on this very site are some who would move to see the rights of others suppressed via violence. ???
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2011, 07:35:40 AM »
Related question I guess, do others of you who enter a place where you can't carry remove your firearm from the holster?  When I get home, or go into a building where I can't carry at all I remove the whole assembly, as in the holster and the pistol.  I would much rather the hassle of removing my belt partially then to have the possibility of an accidental discharge.
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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2011, 09:53:13 AM »
This is why I carry in a paddle, it let's me remove the holster and pistol without having to take off my belt.

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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2011, 10:22:13 AM »
Another option for keeping the gun holster and easy removal is the serpa disconnector kit making it so that with the pulling of two buttons and a twist it comes off and the trigger guard area is still covered. (Works great when going number 2 and the kit comes with 2 connectors so it gets locked into my night stand during the night)

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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2011, 10:48:33 AM »
This is why I carry a 1911. I can hold the slide safety, without engaging the grip safety, as I either remove or insert the weapon into or  out of my waist band. (No holster to fiddle with either.)

Then into and out of the gun vault it goes.
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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2011, 01:19:00 PM »
That's why your mine should be on what your doing, when ever you touch your gun. Carry On Safely ::)
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2011, 06:33:26 PM »
That's why your mine should be on what your doing, when ever you touch your gun. Carry On Safely ::)

My mind is always on what I'm doing when I'm touching my gun.

As you were.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 11:22:16 AM »
What is odd about a certain aspect of the overall story is that during the trial yesterday of the organization's denied permit is that there was a protest of Jones held, WITHOUT ANY PERMIT, at the very site that Jones was denied a permit to hold his protest.

Interesting that those that preach tolerance the most are the most intolerant.

Also that some who preach protection of rights on this very site are some who would move to see the rights of others suppressed via violence. ???

I agree with this copmment here.. I believe this guy is a giant jackass, but he does have the right to protest. He should not have had to sit on court, nor pay a 30,000.00 fee to protest.

And just the same, those of us that believe he is a jackass have the right to stand accross the street and let him know that.

Same goes for the Westburrow church, as much as I despise their protest, they have a right, I am just happy to see so many come out and counter protest.

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2011, 08:28:33 PM »
has anybody touched on the law itself? if i read it right he is a florida resident with a CPL from there which is honored in michigan thru reciprocity? did he carry it in the tv station building against their policy concealed and didn't tell them and it discharged when he got in his car? did he leave it in the car and was putting it back on? who called the police? gave his gun back and no charges filed or even ticketed? now we all know he is armed. that fact alone will effect any judgement for public speaking permits. he will be seen as picking a fight he will need to shoot his way out of. once again this is another step back for gun carriers.
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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2011, 08:38:39 PM »
Ok, he had an ND, the police aren't charging him, big whoop.  My thought, if it wasn't for distance, I'd be there to counter protest the ignoramus.

But that's just me.  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2011, 08:42:45 PM »
has anybody touched on the law itself? if i read it right he is a florida resident with a CPL from there which is honored in michigan thru reciprocity? did he carry it in the tv station building against their policy concealed and didn't tell them and it discharged when he got in his car? did he leave it in the car and was putting it back on? who called the police? gave his gun back and no charges filed or even ticketed? now we all know he is armed. that fact alone will effect any judgement for public speaking permits. he will be seen as picking a fight he will need to shoot his way out of. once again this is another step back for gun carriers.

He is a Florida resident with a Concealed Weapons Permit (CWP).

Michigan honors resident permits from all states.

No, he left the pistol in his vehicle outside the studio. He was "wanded" upon entry.

The firearm discharged in the vehicle, after the interview, while retrieving it.

It is unknown who called the police. Southfield police did take the firearm while conducting their investigation at the police station.

The firearm was returned and there were no charges filed. It was determined that negligence was not involved in the discharge.

The incident has already been a factor in permit issuance. The incident was raised several times during the trial on Friday. The proximity to schools and children going to worship, et al, was bludgeoned during the trial.

And of course the fact that he transported the firearm on an airplane was not overlooked in the slanted news reporting. Naturally with very little mention that it is lawful.
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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2011, 09:58:31 PM »
Southfield police were already on scene for security reasons prior to the ND.

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2011, 10:03:47 PM »
Probably because there is a million dollar bounty on him by the muslims for book burning.
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2011, 07:28:54 PM »
I've drawn and reholstered thousands of times.  No commercially produced holster would fire a gun simply through it's proper use.  The moron pulled the trigger.  I can't believe anyone on this site fears an accidental discharged caused by their holster.

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2011, 09:32:48 PM »
I've drawn and reholstered thousands of times.  No commercially produced holster would fire a gun simply through it's proper use.  The moron pulled the trigger.  I can't believe anyone on this site fears an accidental discharged caused by their holster.

This guy is a moron, but were you there to know he pulled the trigger?
 
This is the most recent I have seen, but not the only time. Before getting all high and mighty, keep in mind the old saying "$#|t happens".
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2011, 03:14:40 AM »
I've drawn and reholstered thousands of times.  No commercially produced holster would fire a gun simply through it's proper use.  The moron pulled the trigger.  I can't believe anyone on this site fears an accidental discharged caused by their holster.

Who on this site are you referring to that is fearful? Fear is the last thing I would accuse any one on this site as being.

Practice your troll techniques on glocktalk before trying it here. The trolls here are professionals and take their trolling very serious.
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2011, 05:54:36 AM »
I've drawn and reholstered thousands of times.  No commercially produced holster would fire a gun simply through it's proper use.  The moron pulled the trigger.  I can't believe anyone on this site fears an accidental discharged caused by their holster.

You must not have been in the court room to hear the judge in the cadl case.....   ::)

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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2011, 02:23:48 PM »
To me, removing the holster would be akin to making the bed in the morning. I am just getting right back in again, why bother? I have never personally been concerned about a ND because I pay damn close attention to that thing anytrime I fondle it. Furthermore, when law requires me to temporarily travel in "victim mode" I go a step further and break it down and carry the slide with me. I guess I just have a concern about the vehicle being broken in to and another gun in the hands of the criminal element.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2011, 02:36:39 PM »
To me, removing the holster would be akin to making the bed in the morning. I am just getting right back in again, why bother? I have never personally been concerned about a ND because I pay damn close attention to that thing anytrime I fondle it. Furthermore, when law requires me to temporarily travel in "victim mode" I go a step further and break it down and carry the slide with me. I guess I just have a concern about the vehicle being broken in to and another gun in the hands of the criminal element.

Glocks are especially convenient for this. I have opted for the "gunvault" mounted in my truck. Prevents the smash and grab.
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2011, 02:40:33 PM »
I've heard of the gunvault / similar before and that does sound pretty neat. The only problem is that my truck isn't worth the cost of a can of oil for its squeeky hinges! Sighhhh... one day...
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2011, 02:46:14 PM »
It can be moved to your new truck. It really is very convenient. It reduces the loading and unloading. Those seem to be prime time discharge times. However... it does not relieve the passenger w/o a CPL from having access to a loaded pistol if you were to run into a PFZ and left it in there.
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2011, 03:11:32 PM »
I am glad you mentioned about the non-cpl passenger, I would have thought otherwise.
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2011, 10:45:46 PM »
This is why I carry in a paddle, it let's me remove the holster and pistol without having to take off my belt.

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Re: Pastor Terry Jones' gun discharges
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2011, 08:32:23 AM »
It's funny, I take my pistol out of my holster and put it in a "safe place" in my car probably 2-3 times a week, when I enter a pistol free zone.  And of course, I also put it back in my holster when I return to me vehicle, before I leave the parking lot.  My pistol have never fired once, during any of those times.  Maybe I need to get it looked at.  ;)
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2011, 12:37:21 PM »
It's funny, I take my pistol out of my holster and put it in a "safe place" in my car probably 2-3 times a week, when I enter a pistol free zone.  And of course, I also put it back in my holster when I return to me vehicle, before I leave the parking lot.  My pistol have never fired once, during any of those times.  Maybe I need to get it looked at.  ;)

I assume that by your by your profile notation you've switch to one of those out-dated and old fashioned 1911A1 platforms with the slide safety and grip safety. That could explain the problem.
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2011, 07:45:39 PM »
It's funny, I take my pistol out of my holster and put it in a "safe place" in my car probably 2-3 times a week, when I enter a pistol free zone.  And of course, I also put it back in my holster when I return to me vehicle, before I leave the parking lot.  My pistol have never fired once, during any of those times.  Maybe I need to get it looked at.  ;)

I assume that by your by your profile notation you've switch to one of those out-dated and old fashioned 1911A1 platforms with the slide safety and grip safety. That could explain the problem.
Yeah, that must be the problem.  That's what I get for using a pistol that was designed 100 years ago.  Guess I need to update to something newer, if I want to be able to have an ND in my car.  :)
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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2011, 11:10:30 AM »
It's funny, I take my pistol out of my holster and put it in a "safe place" in my car probably 2-3 times a week, when I enter a pistol free zone.  And of course, I also put it back in my holster when I return to me vehicle, before I leave the parking lot.  My pistol have never fired once, during any of those times.  Maybe I need to get it looked at.  ;)

Given that I work in medical land, I holster (1-2 guns depending on stuff) when I get up in the morning before I go to work, unholster (car lockbox) when I get there, reholster when I get out of work, plus whatever else I have to do (going to bars sometimes, etc).  I really have a hard time seeing how any pistol goes off unless you have your finger inside the guard when you shouldn't... even without the 1911 design
btw, i just bought my first 1911 (ruger sr1911) a week ago.  It's quite nice.

Anybody else figure this jackhole was just trying to let the world know that he carries?  I.E. "If any of them thar mudpeoples sneak up on me at night, they gots a surprise a-comin'."

As for the ruling that he had to pay... well it didn't pass, and after the initial outrage/media blitz even the Muslim community ended up admitting that denying his rights was the wrongest thing to do.  That's why it got knocked back down.  And did I ever have a field day yelling at my Muslim buddies who supported the ban at first, and then i had more than a few "I-told-you-sos" for them when they came around to the free-speech side of the argument.

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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2011, 08:28:58 PM »
So, Give me a short review on that Ruger SR1911... I've been considering a Kimber Goldmatch II Stainless but the difference in price is considerable!
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2011, 02:55:27 AM »
So, Give me a short review on that Ruger SR1911... I've been considering a Kimber Goldmatch II Stainless but the difference in price is considerable!

I wonder why there'd be a considerable difference in price between a Ruger and a Kimber. Don't they both shoot .45ACP?
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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2011, 09:28:58 PM »
DrScaryGuy... So... Hows that SR1911? Is the trigger pull smooth? I have a ruger P series .45. There is quite a bit of trigger play if you know what I mean. Is everything tight? No trigger creep as they claim? Thanx for your help.

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