Encounter today (with recording) Meijers in Holland (North)

[kc8swy]

While shopping with my GF today, I was approached by a red shirt, and a member of Loss Prevention. 

You can listen to the http://www.teamkls.com/meijers052711.wav for the full scoop, it's only about 10 seconds.


The only good thing about the trip is that I picked up 17 containers of the Prestone De-icer for $.74 each instead of $3.  I'm set for 10 years.  And some brown paint for $2.70-$3.00 gallon reg $17-20.  

[scot623]

Being private property and because a CPL is required to lawfully carry there per 234d, I wouldn't have much problem showing them my permit. It's a whole lot better than being kicked out!

[fozzy71]

Being private property and because a CPL is required to lawfully carry there per 234d, I wouldn't have much problem showing them my permit. It's a whole lot better than being kicked out!

+1

[ocdetroit]

  +2

[kc8swy]

I understand a CPL is required since they sell liquor.  No problem with that.  Asking me should be sufficient.

I have the same issue with this as I would have an issue with the police pulling me over for walking on the sidewalk with a firearm. 

The store doesn't stop everyone getting into their car to ask them if they have a driver's license (and to produce it), so why would they stop everyone in their store asking them if they have a CPL (and to prove it).  It isn't their job to enforce the firearms laws of the state.

[JoeCar]

In my opinion, if you don't have compassion to teach the uninformed, and take a little time to help accustom them to the idea, then we'll have more push backs like the problems with the authority that runs the Lansing library.

[duff1]

I sent an e-mail to Meijers June of last year asking what there policy is on open carry in there stores,  This is there answer. Meijer abides by all state laws regarding the carrying of firearms, Meijer does not have any policies that ban the carrying of firearms in our stores if the activity is allowed under state and local laws.  I carry a copy of this with me.

[emt805]

it sounds to me like she is thinking you need a permit to open carry or is thinking that you are trying to conceal is why she wanted to see your license. I would not have provied either a cpl or ID in this case. Cops can't stop every car doing the speed limit to see if they have a valid drivers license just for the hell of it.

[CV67PAT]

it sounds to me like she is thinking you need a permit to open carry or is thinking that you are trying to conceal is why she wanted to see your license. I would not have provied either a cpl or ID in this case. Cops can't stop every car doing the speed limit to see if they have a valid drivers license just for the hell of it.

A permit is needed to open carry in Meijers.

And the police can ask for a CPL from anyone that is conceal carrying. The analogy of the DL and driving is not valid when comparing it to firearms statutes.

While the store employee has no lawful basis for requesting to see a permit, Joe Car makes a very valid point about friendly interactions with the public and it's positive influence.

[ocdetroit]

If you feel you will be shopping their in the near future, Go in early and talk to the Manager.
And I don't think you, or any other Open Carryer will have it as hard next time.I would but i don't shop at Meijers, and there's not one that close to me. If you can thanks. Carry On. 

[emt805]

Pat the drivers license does apply as you need one to drive. They cannot stop you just to see if you have a valid license they need a reason to stop you.

The store employee does not have authority to require ID or CPL

You can refuse to show your license and still inform them while being polite.

[Christian Patriot]

BUT...Remember... It is private property and have the right to refuse service and have you removed from the premises. You MUST have a CPL to even be on the property with a firearm. So... Refuse to show your CPL and I'm sure you will be removed. I would be pleased to present mine in the name of education. I don't wish to appear distant and/or secretive to people. It creates tension and a lack of trust.I want the opposite!

Daniel

[scot623]

Will say it again, it's private property. IF they wanted to have a policy requiring open carriers show their CPL on request it would be lawful(though not ideal). A LEO stopping OCers to see if they a license is not lawful. Private property owners do not need RAS or PC to request a CPL. Now because it is only a request, not a requirement you do not have to provide it and can just leave your basket of groceries and go shop somewhere else. But I will say this, is it really that bad to show the CPL and continue shopping, letting all the other customers see OC is permitted by the store? Versus them seeing you having a debate about showing your CPL then leaving the store with no groceries? Which scenario shows OC in the better light? It's food for thought.

[kryptonian]

any time the driver's license analogy is brought up i feel the need to point out that we should also add that vehicles kill at least 50 times more people a day than handguns - so do cigarettes.

[CV67PAT]

Pat the drivers license does apply as you need one to drive. They cannot stop you just to see if you have a valid license they need a reason to stop you.

The store employee does not have authority to require ID or CPL

You can refuse to show your license and still inform them while being polite.

The driver license analogy does not apply because a LEO can request a CPL, and one must be presented, anytime while in possession of a concealed pistol.

And since a CPL is required to OC in Meijers, it very well may be lawful for a LEO to request to see a CPL in a restricted zone.

But your understanding of applicable statutes and interaction decorum is acceptable for you. It's just  not for me.

[ocdetroit]

Ok Guys said more than twice, Good job. Either show CPL and school them, or leave, cut and dry. Carry On.

[BTAvery]

Sorry for throwing my hat in late, but Meijer policy as it pertains to employees is that the possession of a "weapon" on or off duty at any meijer store is strictly forbidden. Obviously that is not what is be talked about but it sheds some light on their true feelings.

[kc8swy]

Thanks for everyone's opinion.

[redskin]

Sorry for throwing my hat in late, but Meijer policy as it pertains to employees is that the possession of a "weapon" on or off duty at any meijer store is strictly forbidden. Obviously that is not what is be talked about but it sheds some light on their true feelings.

What does it show about them? Possession of a pistol by an employee presents a lot of problems, liability and insurance not the least of those. It can be argued that it is more prudent for a business to tell their employees not to carry weapons.

[autosurgeon]

Sorry for throwing my hat in late, but Meijer policy as it pertains to employees is that the possession of a "weapon" on or off duty at any meijer store is strictly forbidden. Obviously that is not what is be talked about but it sheds some light on their true feelings.

What does it show about them? Possession of a pistol by an employee presents a lot of problems, liability and insurance not the least of those. It can be argued that it is more prudent for a business to tell their employees not to carry weapons.

And that is a Bull excuse. Perhaps I can see it on duty... but if you are off duty you are not their responsibility nor can they be liable for your actions.