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Offline shawn3408

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Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« on: July 22, 2011, 12:40:36 PM »
Meijer employee's approached me and said that i had all the guest frighten by open carrying, employee of Meijer asked me to cover the firearm while shopping, I informed him that I would be braking state laws if I did that, then he stated if he gets anymore complaints I would have to go and put my gun in the car. 
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Offline Greyh Seer

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2011, 02:01:10 PM »
I thought Mejier had a "follow state law" policy?

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2011, 02:03:06 PM »
Uhhh... what state law would you be breaking?   In order to carry in meijer, a place that has a liquor license, you must have a CPL.  Since you were carrying there, and have your CPL, what state law would you be breaking by concealing?   You DO have your CPL, right?

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2011, 02:20:37 PM »
That's my point.  I'm trying to say that it is likely this employee has a policy that tells him he should leave the OP alone...
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2011, 02:25:03 PM »
That's my point.  I'm trying to say that it is likely this employee has a policy that tells him he should leave the OP alone...

That still doesn't address the question of which law the OP thought he'd be breaking by concealing at the request of the employee. It sounds like the OP doesnt have a CPL which means he was already breaking a law by carrying there in the first place.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2011, 02:26:50 PM by scot623 »

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2011, 02:31:40 PM »
That's my point.  I'm trying to say that it is likely this employee has a policy that tells him he should leave the OP alone...

That still doesn't address the question of which law the OP thought he'd be breaking by concealing at the request of the employee. It sounds like the OP doesnt have a CPL which means he was already breaking a law by carrying there in the first place.

Oh, I somehow missed that when reading.  You are, of course, correct. 
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2011, 02:40:43 PM »
I OC all the time in the Ann Arbor Mejier, and everywhere else.  Which Mejier was it?

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Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2011, 03:06:30 PM »
This is why we advise people to read, understand, and ask questions about the law before they OC -- ESPECIALLY w/o a CPL.
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 03:49:19 PM »
No problem in the Owosso/Corunna Meijer!
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2011, 12:40:18 AM »
No problem in the Owosso/Corunna Meijer!

just because they dont sell liquor, doesnt mean they dont have license.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2011, 08:10:21 PM »
I just talked to a woman that said she was almost kicked out of the S. Lansing meijer by one of the greeters..  she  pressed the issue, and I guess a manager or something let her in. 

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2011, 09:39:03 AM »
Meijer team members are not to do or say anything besides the usual greeting but are to report it to a manager which deals with the situation in light of this I will be asking my manager this evening what meijer policy actually is.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2011, 11:11:06 AM »
This is why we advise people to read, understand, and ask questions about the law before they OC -- ESPECIALLY w/o a CPL.

You know this a good point but I stopped asking questions and trying to get into OC when a HOT HEAD on this site made it a point to make me feel like an ASS. I feel that if HOT HEADS that think they need to downsize or criticize people for trying to make sure that they dont do something wrong when OCing without a CPL they should just keep their mouths SHUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2011, 05:57:35 PM »
I'm confused... ???
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 09:31:27 AM »
Manager was near useless his response was basically CC aloud OC not aloud unless your a cop I have a couple days off going to get the Corporate legal number and give them a call.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2011, 09:40:28 PM »
I went to Meijer's today (oc'ing) in Fenton. I had to replace my neighbor's sprinkler head that I ran over with the lawn mower. The plumbing associate (female) had to help me decide which replacement head to buy from the damaged pieces that I brought in. No reaction from the help, just a few stares from the customers. Like they've never seen a rosco on a hip before...geezs!

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2011, 09:46:08 PM »
I meant Home Depot, in Fenton, not Meijers. I must be getting senile!!

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 01:24:55 AM »
Manager was near useless his response was basically CC aloud OC not aloud unless your a cop I have a couple days off going to get the Corporate legal number and give them a call.

It'll most likely end being like Walmart's "official" policy, which is to follow state law but to give final authority to the manager on duty on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2011, 06:14:53 PM »
Manager was near useless his response was basically CC aloud OC not aloud unless your a cop I have a couple days off going to get the Corporate legal number and give them a call.

It'll most likely end being like Walmart's "official" policy, which is to follow state law but to give final authority to the manager on duty on a case-by-case basis.

Bronson

This is what I have found to he the case almost anywhere that says they follow state law. If a customer, or maybe even an employee expresses that they're bothered/afraid/uncomfortable, etc., the store manager has the ability to request that you cover it up, or leave, or never bring it back, etc; this is what I have experienced at my local Walmart.
Even though many of us have carried openly in a Meijer, Walmart, or other chain stores, this does not mean that in every situation that they will allow everyone else to carry too. As a property owner, these stores can decide who can carry while in their stores and who can't.
Also, in reference to the comment up above that some of us seem to get a little worked up when we talk about non-cpl holders OCing in stores with liquor licenses... better that we get worked up than the local pd deciding to charge you with violating MI gun law.
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2011, 02:20:47 PM »
Manager was near useless his response was basically CC aloud OC not aloud unless your a cop I have a couple days off going to get the Corporate legal number and give them a call.

Appreciate that and very curious as to the facts. I was asked not to OC at the 23 mile and Gratiot store. They have lost a lot of business from me over the past year because of it. Still, sometimes they are just so darned convenient... (location)
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2011, 07:13:46 PM »
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Appreciate that and very curious as to the facts. I was asked not to OC at the 23 mile and Gratiot store. They have lost a lot of business from me over the past year because of it. Still, sometimes they are just so darned convenient... (location)

I OC regularly at the one on 26 and I94.  Only one person has ever even noticed (and said something), and it was a gentleman and his wife who pulled up to me in the parking lot and said "At last someone has the balls to do that!"

Ends up he and his wife both have CPLs and I chatted with them for a while while loading up our groceries.  Overall a great experience!
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2011, 08:32:54 PM »
I wonder what have happened if you would have told them that fat ladies wearing spandex scare the hell out of you and would have them tell the ladies they must change cloths to make your shopping session more comfortable.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2011, 09:01:22 PM »
 8)? :D Carry On.
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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2011, 03:25:00 PM »
What is wrong with carrying concealed in a establishment that sells alcohol? from what I read it is fine unless it is there main source of income from serving it? I can't find anything about a retail store, just bar, and I do not believe it would apply to a place like Applebee's unless you where to belly up to the bar.

28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation; penalties.
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(d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision does not apply to an owner or employee of the business. The Michigan liquor control commission shall develop and make available to holders of licenses under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, an appropriate sign stating that "This establishment prohibits patrons from carrying concealed weapons". The owner or operator of an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, may, but is not required to, post the sign developed under this subdivision. A record made available by an establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, necessary to enforce this subdivision is exempt from disclosure under the freedom of information act, 1976 PA 442, MCL 15.231 to 15.246.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2011, 07:38:37 PM »
It's fine with a CPL, but if you don't have a CPL you can not even posses a firearm in the parking lot of the premises let alone inside.  With a CPL you can conceal or carry openly in these places.

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2011, 02:34:19 AM »
What is wrong with carrying concealed in a establishment that sells alcohol? . . . 28.425o

That's fine for licensed concealed carriers but for people that open carry without a CPL there's another whole set of laws they need to be concerned with.  Venator pointed out one of them and that one clearly states that without a CPL or permission from the owner you can not possess a firearm on the property of any place licensed to sell alcohol in any capacity.

The most difficult thing for most of us when we start learning about open carry is to differentiate between the laws that deal with general firearms possession (open carry) and concealed carry specific laws.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2011, 02:36:04 AM »
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kalamazoo_and_battle_creek/Man-tries-to-rob-Meijer,-caught-in-pond

This morning the Meijer I normally shop at had some excitement.  No, I was not there...like there's any chance I'd be up 7:00 a.m.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2011, 05:35:29 PM »
Thats nothing my Meijer has a guy (has recently stopped) thats stealing whole cart fulls of booze they said they think he has upwards of $10,000 stolen in booze.

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Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2011, 05:57:38 PM »
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kalamazoo_and_battle_creek/Man-tries-to-rob-Meijer,-caught-in-pond

This morning the Meijer I normally shop at had some excitement.  No, I was not there...like there's any chance I'd be up 7:00 a.m.

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Re: Almost Kicked out of Meijers for open carrying
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2011, 09:52:05 PM »
I have OC at the miejers in mundy before aalot, I've never encountered a problem.. i get some stares but nobody says anything negative about it. i been asked by other customers if its legal or not, and lol if i'm a cop....