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Offline PaulC

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We are not as bad as some places...
« on: December 28, 2011, 03:39:33 PM »


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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 07:19:38 PM »
Can you give us more information? 
where was this sign Posted?
was this a school,courthouse,city park,private property?
Thanks   8)
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Offline PaulC

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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 07:45:16 PM »
This sign was posted at a public park and a public parking garage in down town Raleigh, NC. I did not notice any other signs, but I bet their parks are well posted. I also seen a "It's ok to say no" signs regarding details giving change to panhandlers..

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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 07:46:09 PM »
Both were public places.

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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 07:55:13 PM »
We will more then likely start seeing those in a year or two, with many guns owner in MI being so happy about giving up guns rights as they are currently doing.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 08:20:04 PM »
The difference between the signs in Michigan and those in North Carolina is that the NC signs carry the weight of law with criminal penalties specified in the state's statute for violating the. We have no such criminal penalties in any of our firearm statutes.

Ohio is another state where signs carry the weight of law. But Ohio's statutes are more specific as to size wording, font size and placement.

In North Carolina, a hand written sign on the door is sufficient.
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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 08:23:30 PM »
There is some force of law in Michigan.  If you get asked to leave and you don't you're trespassing.  Whether or not signs can "tell" you to leave or not has been a point of debate.


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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 08:37:28 PM »
Quote from: TheQ on December 28, 2011, 08:23:30 PM
There is some force of law in Michigan.  If you get asked to leave and you don't you're trespassing.  Whether or not signs can "tell" you to leave or not has been a point of debate.




Correct, if the owner or the owner's agent asks you to leave.

That is codified.

Signs related to firearms are not codified.
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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 08:45:00 PM »
willful ignorance, I believe it is called, could be brought into question regarding the sign however.  Wasnt it decided in a court case (I cant recall) that as long as any "normal" person can see the sign or find the sign then the sign stands.  And that you cant play the "I didnt know" or "I didnt see it" cards in regards to such signs and notices?
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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 08:47:57 PM »
Quote from: yance on December 28, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
willful ignorance, I believe it is called, could be brought into question regarding the sign however.  Wasnt it decided in a court case (I cant recall) that as long as any "normal" person can see the sign or find the sign then the sign stands.  And that you cant play the "I didnt know" or "I didnt see it" cards in regards to such signs and notices?

People here will say [citation needed]
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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 09:14:16 PM »
Quote from: yance on December 28, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
willful ignorance, I believe it is called, could be brought into question regarding the sign however.  Wasnt it decided in a court case (I cant recall) that as long as any "normal" person can see the sign or find the sign then the sign stands.  And that you cant play the "I didnt know" or "I didnt see it" cards in regards to such signs and notices?

Nope.
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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 11:07:48 PM »
I'm not sure what thread it was someone mentioned it on, so dont quote me on it lol.
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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2011, 12:16:54 AM »
Paul I heard I say both were pubic places?
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We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 07:54:19 AM »
Let us not confuse a "public place" with "public property" -- two different things!
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Offline PaulC

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Re: We are not as bad as some places...
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 08:54:39 AM »
I should have been more accurate, both were public property. I do not have a cite, but yesterdays paper from down here stated that the law changed Dec. 1, but local govt's are expanding or interpreting the law differently.

The story is CC centric, but it mentions OC in PFZ much like what we have.



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