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A&E Parking wars
« on: February 21, 2012, 12:52:22 AM »
The other day I seen the episode where a WSU Officer told a CPL holder he could not have is pistol visible with a CPL. While its 14 months late, i decided to write WSU Chief of police always, his response follows my letter. I have edited my and his responses for some obvious spelling and writing errors. While not completely receptive it was better than the old preverbal buzz off

Dear Chief Holt,

While watching A&E's Parking Wars I heard one of your Sergeant who arrived on a scene of a gentleman's car that was booted give totally false and incorrect legal information to CPL holder. I am confident you are aware of the episode, but if not it was #57 which originally aired on October 19, 2010.This episode was released over 14 months ago and I am sure you have been made aware of its contents and have seen the video. I apologize for the lateness of my letter from when it aired.

First let me say, the person's who car was booted in my personal opinion, was totally in the wrong on how he handled the situation with parking enforcement.

As a CPL holder, we carry our weapons as a last resort for self protection and as you and I are aware, confrontations of this nature does not lead up to the litmus test of self protection. We do not wear our guns for intimidation. He gave law abiding citizens who carry handguns with or without a CPL a bad eye that day.

But its not the citizen I am writing about, its about the Sergeant who gave incorrect and totally inaccurate information in his statement that "when you have a CCW (?) its suppose to be concealed."
then to paraphrase he said "at no point when you have a concealed weapon am I suppose to see it".

First we don't have CCW's those went out long ago, we have CPL (Concealed Pistol License)

Second, it is not illegal to "open carry" or to have your weapon visible once you have received your CPL. It is a shame that too many officers still believe that if you were given the permission from the state to conceal you weapon, something you can not do WITHOUT a CPL, you are REQUIRED to conceal it.

If I am correct, WSU is not covered under MCL 123.1102 Regulation of pistols or other firearms. But this officer was NOT on WSU property from what I seen in the video. I am not versed in WSU laws, but if this Sgt was on public property and it seems he was, he should quote Michigan law correctly.

I hope that since this aired this officer and others in you department has been made aware that a person with a CPL in many circumstances may legally carry his pistol in plain view, it DOES NOT have to be concealed, the CPL is a license that ALLOWS one to conceal, not REQUIRE.

It is also legal for many citizens of Michigan to "open carry" a pistol WITHOUT a CPL.

I have attached a copy of Michigan State Police update 86 for your reference just in the off chance you had not seen it. Michigan Open Carry worked with the MSP to ensure the information it contained was as accurate as it could be. We are grateful to the State Police for allowing us the opportunity to be a part of such an important document referencing handguns.

Michigan Open Carry is a handgun advocacy group who's focus is to educate all those concerned on the laws regarding the legal carry of handgun in Michigan.

We don't like to see this kind of issue make TV its give Detroit a worse reputation, but more than that, it gives the wrong impression about law abiding citizens who choose to carry a handgun legally for self protection. It also does not help when Officers wrongfully quote Michigan law.

Michigan Open carry is more than willing to work with any police agency in the state to make sure inaccurate statements like the one the Sgt made in the episode don't happen again.



his response

Hello Mr XXX and thanks for your observations but you are basically preaching to the choir. I am well verse in the rules,regulations and restrictions of CPL and open carry. I did not see the espisode you are refering to and in fact this is the (first) mention I have heard of my officer involvement. Rest assure that I will review the televised segment and take whatever steps I need if necessary to correct and inform. Again thanks for the information and dialogue.
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Re: A&E Parking wars
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 07:59:13 AM »
Right on, Onnie!

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Re: A&E Parking wars
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 08:53:57 AM »
Right on Onnie! Its funny how often my family and I sit and watch cops (on TV) tell out & out lies to citizens who have no clue to what the law says. No... Don't talk to that cop man... No!!! Don't give him permission to search your car! uggg. You let the cop into your house???Its funny crap, and 15 months ago I had no idea either...

Thanks for the letter Onnie!

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