If you OC you will die!

[TERMINATOR]

Well, first off, I do want to apologize for anything I posted that offended any other poster.

It is very obvious that Ted Nugent does NOT believe that OC is the smart way to go.  So be it.  That is his opinion.

It is also very obvious that Ted Nugent supports our RIGHT to Open Carry.

I think people should try and make sure they don't confuse the two.

Have a good day and shoot straight.

[TheQ]

Well, first off, I do want to apologize for anything I posted that offended any other poster.

It is very obvious that Ted Nugent does NOT believe that OC is the smart way to go.  So be it.  That is his opinion.

It is also very obvious that Ted Nugent supports our RIGHT to Open Carry.

I think people should try and make sure they don't confuse the two.

Have a good day and shoot straight.

Apology accepted and I think I can buy into the rest of this statement with the caveat that I respectfully disagree with Ted.

[TERMINATOR]

OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?

Why do some OCers feel the same need -- to convert CCers to their way of thinking.  We can tell someone about the benefits of Open Carry -- but at the end of the day, if they decide not to do it, that is an individual choice and I will support it.

Amen

I personally will utilize both methods of carry...sometimes at the same time!    (I am waiting on the gun board for my CPL approval but have been OC for quite a while)

All I know is that instead of attacking other 2A defenders we should be supporting each other and no matter how you cut it Ted Nugent is a 2A defender as are all here.

Way I see it we are on the same team no matter how we chose to carry our weapons.

[TERMINATOR]

Well, first off, I do want to apologize for anything I posted that offended any other poster.

It is very obvious that Ted Nugent does NOT believe that OC is the smart way to go.  So be it.  That is his opinion.

It is also very obvious that Ted Nugent supports our RIGHT to Open Carry.

I think people should try and make sure they don't confuse the two.

Have a good day and shoot straight.

Apology accepted and I think I can buy into the rest of this statement with the caveat that I respectfully disagree with Ted.

On this topic I disagree with him also.

But I won't throw him under the bus for it given all the other good work he does for 2A, nor do I think he is terrible because he believes the element of concealment/surprise gives people the most advantage.

In the end, I am more concerned about fighting for our right to carry however we choose than which way we choose and I believe Ted is the same deep down...even if he is vocal about which way he thinks is better.

[Bronson]

I lost the last bit of respect I had for Ted Nugent when he hosed over his personal friend and fellow MI 2A activist Skip Coryell.  Skip organized the D.C. 2A March.  When he floated the idea by T.N. he was told it was a great idea that if the there was anything he (T.N.) could do like speaking or performing to just let him know.

Skip and many others busted their tails to get this thing off the ground and keep it going.  There were many speakers and, if I remember correctly, they all waived their customary speaking fee to be a part of this historic event.  When T.N.'s people were contacted Skip was informed that Ted wouldn't do it unless he was paid....$10,000 I believe, but I may have that number wrong.  Remember Ted is Skip's personal friend, former employer, and mentor and Ted threw him under the bus.

He will never have my respect.

Bronson

[Shadow Bear]

There's a difference between a 'valid point' and an opinion. Valid points have data to back them up. Opinions are just more hot air.

If he wanted to be an 'effective' spokesperson, he needs to advocate the entire Second Amendment, not just those parts he feels are 'OK'. That's how we go ourselves in this mess to begin with- self appointed 'spokesmen' throwing one part of the movement under the bus for their own aggrandizement. It's shameful & pathetic.

OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?

In the end, you're both wrong; 'its the mission profile, stupid'.

And in the interview in question Ted stated multiple times he supports the right to open carry.  He just doesn't think it is the smartest way to go.

That is his opinion not an attack on OC'ers.   He supports the right to OC, CC anytime anywhere.  If he happens to think your putting a target on your back by OC then so be it.

If he wants to be a spokesman for gun rights, he needs to tread a bit more lightly; perhaps next he can offend people based on the caliber they they carry, or perhaps he could alienate the Glock contingent.

We have a long history of people's opinions being taken for facts, and then turning into laws. An effective spokesman would temper his words, keep opinions out, and stick to the facts. We have too many divisive 'leaders' as it is; we don't need another.

[TERMINATOR]

There's a difference between a 'valid point' and an opinion. Valid points have data to back them up. Opinions are just more hot air.

If he wanted to be an 'effective' spokesperson, he needs to advocate the entire Second Amendment, not just those parts he feels are 'OK'. That's how we go ourselves in this mess to begin with- self appointed 'spokesmen' throwing one part of the movement under the bus for their own aggrandizement. It's shameful & pathetic.

OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?

In the end, you're both wrong; 'its the mission profile, stupid'.

And in the interview in question Ted stated multiple times he supports the right to open carry.  He just doesn't think it is the smartest way to go.

That is his opinion not an attack on OC'ers.   He supports the right to OC, CC anytime anywhere.  If he happens to think your putting a target on your back by OC then so be it.

If he wants to be a spokesman for gun rights, he needs to tread a bit more lightly; perhaps next he can offend people based on the caliber they they carry, or perhaps he could alienate the Glock contingent.

We have a long history of people's opinions being taken for facts, and then turning into laws. An effective spokesman would temper his words, keep opinions out, and stick to the facts. We have too many divisive 'leaders' as it is; we don't need another.

I do agree that he could/should just stop when he says he supports the right to Open Carry and not go on to be so vocal about how he thinks your making yourself a target and "committing suicide" etc.  If he thinks it is better to carry concealed that is his choice.  I can see his point and consider it or not for myself.  But in the end the important thing is that we are all fighting for the right to carry not which way to carry and how we carry should be ok just being left to personal choice.

But then knowing when to shut up is not Ted's strongest trait.

In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them.  So I am happy to see the rare celebrity that is able and willing to make noise for conservatives, patriots and gun owners.   I take the bad with the good when it comes to Ted Nugent.

I am disappointed if Ted, as was suggested in the prior post, would not speak at a 2A Event without getting paid.  I can see paying his travel expenses but not speaking fee.  I can understand if he had a conflict and could not make every single 2A event but if he was willing and able to do it and simply would not unless he got paid a speaker fee then I am disappointed in him.   It would be better to see the speaker fee used to fight the anti's

[TheQ]

In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them.

It'd be nice if more people gave more care to throwing around the "L" word.  I have a "Liberal Agenda".  I'd ask the rest of you why you don't as well...

[METL]

In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them.

It'd be nice if more people gave more care to throwing around the "L" word.  I have a "Liberal Agenda".  I'd ask the rest of you why you don't as well...

Stop thread jacking.   



I like Uncle Ted just fine....   I think he could do some things better for certain, but I most certainly agree with his sentiment that we don't need any piece of paper to know that we have the right to defend ourselves.  Ted's commentary where he speaks of parachuting onto the planet and having no knowledge of the 2A or constitution, but still knowing that he values his life and will defend it if necessary....  l

So that stuff is good...   but sometimes I find his stuff to be pretty shamelessly self promoting...   


I agree with TERMINATOR that Ted shoudln't be skewered just because he doesn't agree with OC, but unfortunately, I think people here have plenty of other things to dislike about him.

[CV67PAT]

I voted for Ron Paul. I realize what a huge mistake that is now that 2A "Super Advocate" Ted Nugent has endorsed Mitt Romney. I just wish he had come out of the closet before the Michigan primary, so I'd have known just how pro-2A Romney was. I always thought he was a closet liberal. But since Ted supports him, I now know he has got to be a strong supporter of our 2A rights.

[TERMINATOR]

In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them.

It'd be nice if more people gave more care to throwing around the "L" word.  I have a "Liberal Agenda".  I'd ask the rest of you why you don't as well...

Point taken...

[gryphon]

Point taken...

I disagree.  Classical liberalism (at least as defined by Wiki) has about as much to do with modern liberalism as, well, nothing.  The ideas and laws that modern leftists subscribe to don't reflect many of the traits of classical liberalism.

[TheQ]

I voted for Ron Paul. I realize what a huge mistake that is now that 2A "Super Advocate" Ted Nugent has endorsed Mitt Romney. I just wish he had come out of the closet before the Michigan primary, so I'd have known just how pro-2A Romney was. I always thought he was a closet liberal. But since Ted supports him, I now know he has got to be a strong supporter of our 2A rights.

</sarcasm>


Snickers

[TERMINATOR]

I voted for Ron Paul. I realize what a huge mistake that is now that 2A "Super Advocate" Ted Nugent has endorsed Mitt Romney. I just wish he had come out of the closet before the Michigan primary, so I'd have known just how pro-2A Romney was. I always thought he was a closet liberal. But since Ted supports him, I now know he has got to be a strong supporter of our 2A rights.

Actually I like Ron Paul's and Santorum's politics better than Mitt's.  But I voted for Mitt because I think he offers us the best odds of removing our socialist leader from the Presidents Office.  I struggled with it all the way into the voting booth but I finally decided that Mitt probably offers us the best chance to swing enough of the middle of the road independents which won it for Obama last time and will be key to defeating him this time.  It was hard for me to pull the trigger for Mitt because I am VERY much on the right wing conservative side.

As far as Ted endorsing him....on Ted's Facebook page he discusses in detail his hesitations to endorse Mitt and the conversation he had with Mitt and the commitments he got from Mitt around 2A before he could/would throw his hat in the ring for Mitt.

As to whether Mitt lives up to those commitments?  Hopefully we get the chance to find out after the election in November.

I will happily and feverishly support whatever candidate the Republicans nominate to go against Obama.  I am "ABO"...Anybody But Obama" myself.

The most middle of the road Republican ever would still be way more conservative than Obama

[TERMINATOR]

Point taken...

I disagree.  Classical liberalism (at least as defined by Wiki) has about as much to do with modern liberalism as, well, nothing.  The ideas and laws that modern leftists subscribe to don't reflect many of the traits of classical liberalism.

Yes.  I of course was referring to "Left Wing Politics"