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Guys with guns: Police contacts with open carry advocates (PoliceOne.com)

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bigt8261:

--- Quote from: gryphon on August 27, 2012, 10:01:33 AM --- I wonder what this means: Remember ‘plus one’
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It's the author reminding officers to kindly return that extra round that was in the chamber that they extracted when they removed and cleared a law abiding citizen's gun for the "officer's safety". :)

gryphon:
Here's some goodness from the original article:

--- Quote ---I have to look at it from the eyes of ‘what does the law say?’ Too many times I’ve seen officers with a poor understanding of existing law make poor choices on how they choose to handle a situation from an enforcement standpoint.

“Obviously, this type of situation is not going to go away. These people are willing to go to court, fight it, sue departments, and do what is necessary to ensure that their right to bear arms is not infringed.”
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Then he ruins it by still advocating an unlawful seizure.  :-\

TheQ:

--- Quote from: venator on August 27, 2012, 09:42:55 AM ---Early on we had a few picnics with the police there to "protect us" from antis.  The first Warren Picnic had a command post set up in the parking lot with a patrol car next to us and an unmarked car parked farther away with an LEO with Binoculars watching us.

The first Ann Arbor picnic we had a command Sgt. stop by toward the end to ask us when we planned on wrapping up.  He stayed for about an hour until we left.

But again this was in 2008 early in the OC education program.  This typically doesn't happen anymore.

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Thanks for some of the history.  I wouldn't consider those "interactions" (except in the case of Ann Arbor) because interacting is a two-way thing...I don't consider watching "interacting" anymore than I consider reading a newspaper a conversation ;)

METL:
I can't wrap my head around the fact that police would question someone wanting to have audio or video documentation of the encounter for reasons other than fishing for a lawsuit....     police record everything for a reason too...   one of the reasons being self protection.  How some LEOs can't grasp the fact that we carry recorders for the same reason is beyond me. 


Why they continue to see carrying a recorder as something nefarious is really illogical and unfounded.  In a he said/she said situation, obviously the cop will be believed unless there is evidence refuting their word.  Pretty simple.

TheQ:

--- Quote from: METL on August 27, 2012, 12:00:56 PM ---

Why they continue to see carrying a recorder as something nefarious is really illogical and unfounded.  In a he said/she said situation, obviously the cop will be believed unless there is evidence refuting their word.  Pretty simple.

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In some cases, I think that is the problem. They know that they will win in a war of credibility. Some of them don't want to lose that war by allowing someone else to have evidence that contravenes their credibility.

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