Author Topic: Open carry voting  (Read 7269 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ken243

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 188
  • Paramedic
Open carry voting
« on: November 06, 2012, 08:15:59 AM »
Who OC'ed while voting today. I did!
Common sense, isn't.
I can't fix stupid.

Offline Golden Eagle

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 170
  • I VOTED
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 11:46:06 AM »
I did too  :D
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

George Washington

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 04:33:40 PM »
Love the shirt!

Offline machmanchuck

  • Posts: 7
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 04:41:03 PM »
I did! 

Offline ken243

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 188
  • Paramedic
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 06:08:32 PM »
Love the shirt!

Thanks. Got a few looks at the polls this morning. I think half were for the shirt and half for the pistol.   ;)
Common sense, isn't.
I can't fix stupid.

Offline CV67PAT

  • MOC Charter Member
  • Posts: 2615
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 06:09:30 PM »
I did in a school.

Uneventful.
Want to keep informed of events in your area? Go to http://www.miopencarry.org/update

Offline ken243

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 188
  • Paramedic
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 07:15:11 PM »
I did in a school.

Uneventful.

It's ok. That happens when your get older Pat.

Common sense, isn't.
I can't fix stupid.

Offline Ryan182

  • Posts: 82
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 08:02:06 PM »
OC'ed to town hall this morning and voted, no lines got right in. And not a word said about my pistol, nice to exercise two rights at the same time ;D

Offline TucTom

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 565
  • First Name (Displayed): Tom
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 08:25:34 PM »
Semi OC, nice line and I know one lady noticed, but that was it.

Offline bigt8261

  • MOC President
  • MOC Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 1482
    • Michigan Open Carry, Inc
  • First Name (Displayed): Tom
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 08:08:57 AM »
No choice but to OC as my polling place is a church. There were a lot more people there this time, but once again, no issues.

Offline JSteinmetz

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 140
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 10:00:18 AM »
OC as usual. Didn't get anyone saying anything, but did have one or two election volunteers who were noticeably more polite to me than most of the other people. They were sitting down and I was standing up, so it was pretty obvious what they were looking at, but they didn't say anything one way or the other.
“The trouble with quotes on the Internet is you never know if they are genuine.” —Abraham Lincoln

Offline CV67PAT

  • MOC Charter Member
  • Posts: 2615
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2012, 12:34:51 PM »
OC as usual. Didn't get anyone saying anything, but did have one or two election volunteers who were noticeably more polite to me than most of the other people. They were sitting down and I was standing up, so it was pretty obvious what they were looking at, but they didn't say anything one way or the other.

That's exactly how it was for me. Not even so much as a change in facial expression from them.

I got the feeling that there had been some training/discussion beforehand.
Want to keep informed of events in your area? Go to http://www.miopencarry.org/update

Offline Hammurabi

  • Posts: 91
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2012, 09:06:05 PM »
Having heard of long wait times, I decided that I likely wouldn't have enough time to stow a gun and sit through lines a second time, so I pocket carried under a denim jacket. Needless to say, there were no looks, comments, or panicked screaming.

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2012, 09:30:16 PM »
I got the feeling that there had been some training/discussion beforehand.

In Indiana the SOS was supposed to have told all the polling stations that firearms carry was legal.  It's been in the papers.  Counties are currently being sued as a result of actions in the spring.  So what happens?  At least one report of another voter turned away yesterday because "you can't have that gun in here.  That is voter intimidation!"

Some people will never get it.

Offline CV67PAT

  • MOC Charter Member
  • Posts: 2615
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2012, 11:01:27 PM »
In Indiana the SOS was supposed to have told all the polling stations that firearms carry was legal.  It's been in the papers.  Counties are currently being sued as a result of actions in the spring.  So what happens?  At least one report of another voter turned away yesterday because "you can't have that gun in here.  That is voter intimidation!"

Some people will never get it.

Any details on this Civil Rights violation?

And yes...

Some people just never will get it! But hopefully they're about to GET IT!!!
Want to keep informed of events in your area? Go to http://www.miopencarry.org/update

Offline TheQ

  • Website Content Manager
  • MOC Lifetime Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4263
    • Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
  • First Name (Displayed): Phillip
Open carry voting
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2012, 11:04:24 PM »
Question: is it bad for a black panther guy to stand outside with a nightstick?

If not, why not? How is it different?

Just food for thought.
I Am Not A Lawyer (nor a gunsmith).

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2012, 11:29:50 PM »
Any details on this Civil Rights violation?

It happened in Muncie, IN and he has contacted Guy Relford, a firearms/civil rights attorney (the same one that is suing St. Joe for similar voter violations this spring and an OCer who was ejected from a public zoo in Evansville, IN).  I don't think it has been picked up by a newspaper yet.

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2012, 11:38:16 PM »
How is it different?

Do you really want me to answer that?

Offline CV67PAT

  • MOC Charter Member
  • Posts: 2615
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2012, 01:08:30 AM »
Do you really want me to answer that?
Oooo, Oooo, Oooo Let me . Let me. Please.

On second thought, maybe I shouldn't. I think that one would get me banned for sure. ;)
Want to keep informed of events in your area? Go to http://www.miopencarry.org/update

Offline TheQ

  • Website Content Manager
  • MOC Lifetime Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4263
    • Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
  • First Name (Displayed): Phillip
Open carry voting
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2012, 01:25:48 AM »
Ok. We're told threats were uttered.

That aside, is there anything wrong with a man who happens to be black standing around with a night stick (say, Attached to his side versus IHOC)
I Am Not A Lawyer (nor a gunsmith).

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2012, 02:12:42 AM »
The Black Panthers are a violent, militant organization.  So that's one difference.  The Black Panther wasn't simply walking in to exercise his right to vote, that's another difference.

Offline TheQ

  • Website Content Manager
  • MOC Lifetime Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4263
    • Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
  • First Name (Displayed): Phillip
Open carry voting
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2012, 08:10:53 AM »
The Black Panthers are a violent, militant organization.  So that's one difference.  The Black Panther wasn't simply walking in to exercise his right to vote, that's another difference.

But let's say one of their members walked in wearing a night stick, politely voted, and walked out. Would you see issue with that?

What if 5 other members in the same precinct did the same?
I Am Not A Lawyer (nor a gunsmith).

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2012, 12:19:21 PM »
No, providing everything was legal (nightsticks legal, they aren't felons, they show ID, etc. just like everybody else).

Are nightsticks even legal to carry around?  I don't know.

Offline wayne

  • Posts: 59
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2012, 05:51:57 AM »
I say IF the panthers are the required setback from the poll, 100' or 200' or whatever it is required for people hading out literature and such, and the weapons were holstered or equivilant, then it is fine.  The video I saw, they were standing right at the doors and had them in hand, so that would not be ok.  If they are in the process of entering or exiting the poll to vote and again had the weapons holstered, not in hand, I have no problem with them going in to vote with them.  I think that is fair application of the same rules that apply to our OC.  I do not think we would get away with standing at the door of the polling place with pistol in hand?!  Neither should we be the required set back and have them in hand waving them around!

Offline JoeCar

  • Posts: 215
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2012, 08:16:07 PM »
I opened carried an Lk. Fenton high school. Uneventful mostly. People looked. One young 20 year old or so, spotted me and then showed a big grin. He turned to his mother and said something to the effect wondering if I can be in the school like that? She, with no expression, nodded yes. He then said out loud..coool!

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2015, 10:53:23 AM »
UPDATE on PREVIOUS MENTION (OC PREEMPTION VIOLATION)

an OCer who was ejected from a public zoo in Evansville, IN

I briefly mentioned this in a previous post. The open carrier just won the appeal--handily (3-0).  I bring this up again here because the lawsuit was initially filed on September 16, 2011, nearly four years ago.  The city of Evansville has done everything in its power to drag this lawsuit out, first by delay tactics, then admitting that they did it but that the plaintiff missed the cutoff date for filing a notice that they were going to sue with the city and its risk management commission (not applicable for several reasons, one of which is the plaintiff filed the actual lawsuit immediately (6 days, well within the 180 notice of upcoming lawsuit provision)). Whether they plan to appeal to the Indiana SC is unknown.

Indiana Court of Appeals Decision

Interesting quote from opinion:

Indiana has several statutes with similar provisions, authorizing private citizens to bring suit to “redress wrongs that involve the public interest, and to recover attorney fees if they prevail.”  These provisions are meant to “encourage[e] the private prosecution of certain favored actions, by requiring defendants who have violated plaintiffs’ rights to compensate plaintiffs for the costs they incurred to enforce those rights.” In recent years, our legislature has seen fit to create, and to encourage the private prosecution of, several such favored actions relating to firearms.

Brief description of preemption violation:

On September 10, 2011, Mr. Magenheimer, his wife and four-month old child were enjoying an afternoon in the petting zoo ot the Mesker Park Zoo & Botanical Garden, owned and operated by the Evansville Department of Parks & Recreation. Mr. Magenheimer was lawfully carrying a handgun at the time, with his Indiana License to Carry Handgun in his possession. After a zoo employee apparently called police, Mr. Magenheimer was approached by four members of the Evansville Police Department, who first ordered him to conceal his firearm (which he had no legal obligation to do), then ordered him to leave the zoo property. When Mr. Magenheimer attempted to explain to the officers that their actions were illegal, the officers forcibly removed him from the property.

Offline CitizensHaveRights

  • Posts: 979
  • First Name (Displayed): Mitch
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2015, 06:00:32 PM »
Indiana Supreme Court denies cert, so Evansville has finally, permanently lost to Magenheimer.
Google of course can't find me a single news item on it two days later.

https://publicaccess.courts.in.gov/docket/Document/GetOdysseyDocument?DocumentID=5079035
"A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed "  - Who has a right to keep and eat food, The People or A Well Balanced Breakfast?

Offline gryphon

  • MOC Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3940
  • First Name (Displayed): Dan
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2015, 07:26:54 PM »
Indiana Supreme Court denies cert, so Evansville has finally, permanently lost to Magenheimer.

Now it goes to jury trial.

Transfer of the case to the Indiana Supreme Court was the city's last option to have it dismissed before going to jury trial. A trial date will now be set for sometime next year, said Robert Burkart, the attorney representing the city.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/local/trial-date-to-be-set-for-gun-owners-lawsuit-against-city-of-evansville-26a2fccd-74d9-31b7-e053-01000-361594541.html

Offline CitizensHaveRights

  • Posts: 979
  • First Name (Displayed): Mitch
Re: Open carry voting
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2015, 11:08:46 AM »
Oops. After four years, I'd forgotten that all the fighting was over the city's motion for summary judgment on procedural grounds, because any decision on the facts would have to be against them for violating preemption.
"A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed "  - Who has a right to keep and eat food, The People or A Well Balanced Breakfast?