Sen. Green's bills at a standstill

[Ezerharden]

Read this article today and I find it somewhat disheartening. Maybe we need to start hammering out government "representatives" about this.

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2013/03/sen_mike_greens_gun_bills_at_s.html#incart_river

[TheQ]

It's not time yet. Wait for it.

[Ezerharden]

Until when, just before the next lame duck session like last time?

[TheQ]

Until when, just before the next lame duck session like last time?

Until the *sponsor* is ready to move it -- which he has indicated will be summer or late fall.

If the sponsor doesn't want to move it right now,  it won't move. No amount of pushing on your legislator, the committee chair, or committee members is likely to change that.

This is why choosing a good sponsor is so important to your bill. Sen Green is a good sponsor.

[Ezerharden]

Until the *sponsor* is ready to move it -- which he has indicated will be summer or late fall.

If the sponsor doesn't want to move it right now,  it won't move. No amount of pushing on your legislator, the committee chair, or committee members is likely to change that.

This is why choosing a good sponsor is so important to your bill. Sen Green is a good sponsor.

Ok, but it is sounding familiar.

"If it ran through committee, it would just sit on the floor anyway," Green said Thursday, March 21. "I'd rather sit down with the people it affects and work out some sort of compromise.

Last time we did this it went through committee, sat on the floor until we protested in Monroe twice for Richardville to bring it to a vote, compromises were made and veto. How is this new approach any better?

[TheQ]

Last time we did this it went through committee, sat on the floor until we protested in Monroe twice for Richardville to bring it to a vote, compromises were made and veto. How is this new approach any better?

We're just moving the wait to a different part of the process.  Better to front load the wait then move the bill quickly before opposition organizes.

[CV67PAT]

It's all BS.

Last time things languished for months.

But then Right to Work went from nothing to law in only 5 days. That's right it took only 5 days to go from a blank piece of paper to a voted and signed law.

The repugnicans do NOT support gunowners any more than the damnocrats do.

[Shadow Bear]

Raggs is already breaking out the champagne over on OCDO....

[autosurgeon]

Raggs is already breaking out the champagne over on OCDO....

Stupid is forever.... Ron White...

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[CV67PAT]

Stupid is forever.... Ron White...

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We only need to look to his mentor to see where it originates.

[TexasSupporter]

I think Q is right on this.  And I also think it's important we stick together, and respect Q's opinion and his lead.  It's ok to have a differing opinion, but at the end of the day the best way for success is to follow your leadership.  He is on your side.

[Ezerharden]

I think Q is right on this.  And I also think it's important we stick together, and respect Q's opinion and his lead.  It's ok to have a differing opinion, but at the end of the day the best way for success is to follow your leadership.  He is on your side.

I don't doubt Q being on our side, however I am beginning to believe that we have been abandoned by our "representatives". As Pat stated, RTW went through very quickly, so why cant this bill do the same?

[bigt8261]

RTW went through quickly because of the support it had (ie leadership and gov).

We might be able to drum up that type of support, but it's going to take a LOT of work and the opposition will have plenty of time to organize, creating even more work for us. I think this amounts to a full frontal assault as opposed to an efficient strike when the time is right. The gamble there is, will the time ever be right? I have faith.

[Super Trucker]

I don't doubt Q being on our side, however I am beginning to believe that we have been abandoned by our "representatives". As Pat stated, RTW went through very quickly, so why cant this bill do the same?

Green sponsored the bills to remove MI pistols last term, that was all that went anyplace last term, so expecting anything different now is a setup for disappointment.

[.40 Cal]

To quote the late George Carlin..... It's all BS and its all bad for you!

[TheQ]

RTW went through quickly because Senator Richardville was under threat of recal by a man named "Trucker Randy" from Northern Michigan who had spent over $100,000 collecting enough signatures to recall Randy Richardville.  He threatened to turn the signatures in if RTW hadn't had public commitment from the Governor, the speak, and the Majority Leader to move prior to 12/8/2012.

FIFY.  RTW was passed under political duress.

[TheQ]

Free people are going to do what free people are going to do.  How many people commenting in this thread have done so much as call their Senator yet on this bill?

hmmm?

[CV67PAT]

Free people are going to do what free people are going to do.  How many people commenting in this thread have done so much as call their Senator yet on this bill?

hmmm?

I haven't yet, because I am following your lead. My comments are relative to the contemptuous disdain I have for the pathological lying  repugnican party.

[jgillmanjr]

Free people are going to do what free people are going to do.  How many people commenting in this thread have done so much as call their Senator yet on this bill?

hmmm?

I've actually visited mine in person.

[Ezerharden]

Free people are going to do what free people are going to do.  How many people commenting in this thread have done so much as call their Senator yet on this bill?

hmmm?

I have. Guess I was wrong to try and stop Richardville from burying this bill like he did to SB59. We can let it sit in committee until fall, then we have very little time to get it voted on, assuming we can get Richardville to call it for a vote, and little chance of pressuring Richardville like we did last time.

[Super Trucker]

Free people are going to do what free people are going to do.  How many people commenting in this thread have done so much as call their Senator yet on this bill?

hmmm?

I called a few days after I read about the introduction this bill. It was a waste of 2 minutes. Tupac Hunter, need I say more?

[CV67PAT]

I called a few days after I read about the introduction this bill. It was a waste of 2 minutes. Tupac Hunter, need I say more?

It's all a huge waste of time and effort. Going does no good. Writing letters does no good. Calling is useless. They have their own self-centered interests motivating them. They will lie and pander to us when they want to get elected. But once entrenched at the government trough, re-election is all they think about.

Case in point...

Randy Richardville and Right to Work.

http://onthefarm.e2bn.org/littlefarm/library/1169628412/100_6563.jpg

[Ezerharden]

Was that Snyder next to him? lol

[Super Trucker]

It's all a huge waste of time and effort. Going does no good. Writing letters does no good. Calling is useless. They have their own self-centered interests motivating them. They will lie and pander to us when they want to get elected. But once entrenched at the government trough, re-election is all they think about.

Case in point...

Randy Richardville and Right to Work.

http://onthefarm.e2bn.org/littlefarm/library/1169628412/100_6563.jpg

I hear ya.
My wife and I are looking to relocate our business to either TX or OK just because this state is not small business friendly. She doesn't want to move so I will be stuck living here but can no longer afford to run a business here.

[CV67PAT]

I hear ya.
My wife and I are looking to relocate our business to either TX or OK just because this state is not small business friendly. She doesn't want to move so I will be stuck living here but can no longer afford to run a business here.

And I see it getting worse for the small guy. I shut down a few years ago. Much easier to collect a paycheck and sleep at night.

The one thing that that hinders the most is the "Single Business Tax" that just won't go away.

[TheQ]

And I see it getting worse for the small guy. I shut down a few years ago. Much easier to collect a paycheck and sleep at night.

The one thing that that hinders the most is the "Single Business Tax" that just won't go away.

SBT died in 2008, replaced by MBT, which has since been replaced by CIT.

[CV67PAT]

SBT died in 2008, replaced by MBT, which has since been replaced by CIT.

Call it what you wish. It's still the same horse of a different color.

[drtodd]

Call it what you wish. It's still the same horse of a different color.

You are correct. Just more Newspeak a la "1984"

[.40 Cal]

Free people are going to do what free people are going to do.  How many people commenting in this thread have done so much as call their Senator yet on this bill?

hmmm?

Senator Colbeck is in full support of this bill as he was of SB59

Our legislatures are cowards pure and simple... It's gonna be a long summer if spring ever gets here..

[TheQ]

Senator Colbeck is in full support of this bill as he was of SB59

Our legislatures are cowards pure and simple... It's gonna be a long summer if spring ever gets here..

Don't be so sure, Jones voted for the bill also...under duress.

[Ezerharden]

Don't be so sure, Jones voted for the bill also...under duress.

You are assuming it even gets a vote

[CV67PAT]

You are assuming it even gets a vote

I doubt that it will. NO legislator wastes their political chips on worthless legislation.

[Ezerharden]

I doubt that it will. NO legislator wastes their political chips on worthless legislation.

Worthless to who, their constituents or their political careers?

[CV67PAT]

Worthless to who, their constituents or their political careers?

worthless to waste their political favors on. If it isn't going to get passed, why waste favors on it. Politically worthless.

[Ezerharden]

worthless to waste their political favors on. If it isn't going to get passed, why waste favors on it. Politically worthless.

Gotcha, so no pro gun legislation until at least 2014 when we can hopefully get rid of the RINO's and anti-gun dems and replace them with our kind of people.

[TheQ]

Gotcha, so no pro gun legislation until at least 2014 when we can hopefully get rid of the RINO's and anti-gun dems and replace them with our kind of people.

Rick is the biggest part of the problem at the moment -- and nobody is seeking to primary him

[Ezerharden]

Rick is the biggest part of the problem at the moment -- and nobody is seeking to primary him

Which is why we should start pushing hard now. Let these people know that if they don't start passing some pro gun laws, we will start passing out pink slips. Waiting until fall is too late to start, it needs to be started before the elections get going.

[TheQ]

Which is why we should start pushing hard now. Let these people know that if they don't start passing some pro gun laws, we will start passing out pink slips. Waiting until fall is too late to start, it needs to be started before the elections get going.

Elections won't be until next year.

[TheQ]

BTW, 213 is currently in Casperson's committee. Whose up for a rally in Escanaba?

[Ezerharden]

Elections won't be until next year.

I know. I did say start early.

[hubblejj]

BTW, 213 is currently in Casperson's committee. Whose up for a rally in Escanaba?

Let me know a date and time and I will be there...just sent him an email today

[TheQ]

Let me know a date and time and I will be there...just sent him an email today

Wow...we have yoopers on the Forum aside from Jason?!?

[northofnowhere]

and his name is Jason too!   Just saw this post, glad to have another Yooper around, it gets lonely trying to explain that I don't live in Canada or Wisconsin.

[CV67PAT]

and his name is Jason too!   Just saw this post, glad to have another Yooper around, it gets lonely trying to explain that I don't live in Canada or Wisconsin.

It's a good thing you don't live in Canada. They have real cold winters there.

[hubblejj]

and his name is Jason too!   Just saw this post, glad to have another Yooper around, it gets lonely trying to explain that I don't live in Canada or Wisconsin.

Great to hear from another yooper, not sure how many are on here.  Seems like all the stuff happens down state and we get forgotten about. 

[Bronson]

we get forgotten about.

Who?

Bronson