Author Topic: CPL requirements (Read 24734 times)

WilDChilD · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:17:43 PM »

Quote from: bigt8261 on April 09, 2013, 08:53:53 PM

While I don't have statute or case law to point to, I do know that a MCRGO weekly update written by Steve Dulan (lawyer), said yes you qualify as having been stopped too. It may not be concrete, but I'm going with that until I see something else.

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Thank you. Been on the forums and carrying for four years and still learn new stuff all the time.

autosurgeon · « **Reply #21 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:20:18 PM »

Found the case that says all in a vehicle that is stopped are detained or seized. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendlin_v._California

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spdrmnfn · « **Reply #22 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:31:38 PM »

Quote from: bigt8261 on April 08, 2013, 02:38:40 PM

-If you have a CPL AND you are "carrying" (have a firearm in the passenger compartment) then you shall immediately disclose to the officer that you have a CPL and you are carrying.

-If you do not have a CPL or you are not "carrying" then no such duty exists.

-If you do not have a CPL but you are "carry" (in your car) then you are breaking the law.

Now, even if you do not have the duty to disclose, many including my self, will recommend that it is still best policy to disclose to the officer that you have a CPL, but are not "carrying".

I hope that straightens things out. Feel free to post any follow questions that you may have.

Wanted to thank you for the information.

autosurgeon · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:35:57 PM »

Quote from: spdrmnfn on April 10, 2013, 04:31:38 PM

I just wanted to be clear as I can as it seems maybe I was not in my original question: What the main concern is: If someone with a CPL must disclose that they have a CPL if they are not carrying in the car at all?

No the law says if you have a cpl and a gun you must disclose the concealed firearm not the cpl.

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TheQ · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:44:06 PM »

Quote from: autosurgeon on April 10, 2013, 04:35:57 PM

No the law says if you have a cpl and a gun you must disclose the concealed firearm not the cpl.

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He's right. The reference is MCL 28.425(f)(3).

Justice · « **Reply #25 on:** July 02, 2013, 06:05:05 AM »

Oops, wait, the admin covered it already! lol

GOOD!

I'll cover it again.

Anyways, always lick their boots and tell them how they rock and you your self are low life scum!

Don't you know? This is a police state...

I understand all cops are not bad...

The video speaks for itself...

Justice · « **Reply #26 on:** July 03, 2013, 08:11:20 PM »

P.S. I mean no offense to the OP, Much of what I write in artcles, posts and some comments is sarcastic humor.

Not sure if what I write here in the forums and responses is coming off properly.

gryphon · « **Reply #27 on:** July 03, 2013, 08:30:41 PM »

Couple of things. If you want to post sarcasm, and you're not sure if it will come across as such, you can indicate it by using fake [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags, or putting the text in purple.

Another thought, though, is that you are likely preaching to the choir on many things, so maybe so much commentary isn't required. Although in my case that advice is like the pot calling the kettle black as I have been known to write too much myself on occasion.

Justice · « **Reply #28 on:** July 03, 2013, 08:51:38 PM »

Quote from: gryphon on July 03, 2013, 08:30:41 PM

Couple of things. If you want to post sarcasm, and you're not sure if it will come across as such, you can indicate it by using fake [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags, or putting the text in purple.

Another thought, though, is that you are likely preaching to the choir on many things, so maybe so much commentary isn't required. Although in my case that advice is like the pot calling the kettle black as I have been known to write too much myself on occasion.

Point well taken, thankyou.

TheQ · « **Reply #29 on:** July 03, 2013, 10:14:31 PM »

Purple is official sarcasm color.

32_d3gr33s · « **Reply #30 on:** July 03, 2013, 11:43:21 PM »

Quote from: TheQ on July 03, 2013, 10:14:31 PM

Purple is official sarcasm color.

yeah... right

LD · « **Reply #31 on:** July 07, 2013, 10:41:19 AM »

Quote from: bigt8261 on April 09, 2013, 09:56:26 AM

Let's keep in mind, that based on the OP, the scope of our conversation is constrained to when one is in a car and has been pulled over.

To me, this means RAS already exists for something. Personally, I am going to go out of my way to be courteous in this situation. That doesn't mean I'm going to give up any rights, that just means I'm going to be as polite and courteous as possible. Obviously this is just my opinion and as long as you are not "carrying", you are free to do as you wish.

I guess my problem is I don't understand how informing an officer you have a CPL and are NOT carrying is a sign of respect or a courtesy.
Most states do't require informing and they have no problem with officers ticketing people more then the ones here.
I have gotten let off more times before I got my CPL then I have sense I got it. I don't see any advantage to cluttering up the stop with useless information.
I also notice that those that advocate informing when not carrying don't believe it is a good idea in states like NY, or IL. Why is that? Isn't it still a sign of respect & a courtesy?

bigt8261 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 07, 2013, 10:51:05 AM »

Quote from: LD on July 07, 2013, 10:41:19 AM

I guess my problem is I don't understand how informing an officer you have a CPL and are NOT carrying is a sign of respect or a courtesy.
Most states do't require informing and they have no problem with officers ticketing people more then the ones here.
I have gotten let off more times before I got my CPL then I have sense I got it. I don't see any advantage to cluttering up the stop with useless information.
I also notice that those that advocate informing when not carrying don't believe it is a good idea in states like NY, or IL. Why is that? Isn't it still a sign of respect & a courtesy?

It would depend on your area. In my area I have heard far more positives than negatives. Also, many officers that I know personally, are more likely to be easier on a CPL holder. Know your area, and make the decision that best suits you.

LD · « **Reply #33 on:** July 07, 2013, 08:43:39 PM »

Quote from: bigt8261 on July 07, 2013, 10:51:05 AM

It would depend on your area. In my area I have heard far more positives than negatives. Also, many officers that I know personally, are more likely to be easier on a CPL holder. Know your area, and make the decision that best suits you.

Well.... If they are going to be easier on CPL holders, you're in luck. You don't have to TELL then anything, they got notified you have a CPL when they run your license. Are you saying the cops you know are going to be tougher on you if you follow the law?
Doesn't sound very professional to me.

Jeff · « **Reply #34 on:** July 07, 2013, 10:19:59 PM »

Quote from: LD on July 07, 2013, 08:43:39 PM

they got notified you have a CPL when they run your license.

Yeah but we're supposed to tell them if we have a concealed pistol when stopped.

linux203 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 07, 2013, 11:56:47 PM »

Quote from: LD on July 07, 2013, 08:43:39 PM

they got notified you have a CPL when they run your license.

They know if information was entered properly into LEIN and LEIN is available. Neither is guaranteed.

TheQ · « **Reply #36 on:** July 08, 2013, 12:01:48 AM »

Quote from: linux203 on July 07, 2013, 11:56:47 PM

They know if information was entered properly into LEIN and LEIN is available. Neither is guaranteed.

I work for DTMB, the agency that maintains LEIN. I can tell you LEIN is one of the life/death "red card" systems. Its availability is almost certainly guaranteed.

linux203 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 08, 2013, 06:09:49 AM »

Quote from: TheQ on July 08, 2013, 12:01:48 AM

I work for DTMB, the agency that maintains LEIN. I can tell you LEIN is one of the life/death "red card" systems. Its availability is almost certainly guaranteed.

I wasn't necessarily referring to the back end. The reliability of the MDT/MDC and radio connection are not guaranteed.

LD · « **Reply #38 on:** July 08, 2013, 02:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Jeff on July 07, 2013, 10:19:59 PM

Yeah but we're supposed to tell them if we have a concealed pistol when stopped.

And thew law is VERY clear about that.

NOTHING in the law requires you to or suggests that you say anything if you are NOT carrying.

The fact that a few people have gotten a break when they did is insignificant compared to the numbers of non CPL holders that get that same break EVERY DAY.

And again I ask why the people that advocate informing when NOT carrying do NOT advocate it in the few states that seen unfriendly to the public being allowed to carry firearms.
It would be the same respect & consideration as it is here. (And it would have the added benifit of making the officer FEEL safer.)

TheQ · « **Reply #39 on:** July 08, 2013, 02:22:00 PM »

Hi officer. I'm wearing blue underwear and I am a member of the Mickey Mouse club!

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Author Topic: CPL requirements (Read 24734 times)