Macomb County Gunboard

[Jeff]

Finally, I have a meeting scheduled for the Macomb County Gun Board.

I filed my paperwork and got fingerprinted on 6/14/2013
All information was sent to the Macomb clerks office gun board on 7/17/2013 (although it was never updated on their website until today, it just kept saying that they have not yet received the information)
TODAY on 9/9/2013 the website finally updated the final step indicating that I have a meeting scheduled for October 22nd 2013

6/14/2013  -  10/22/2013

They have also been sitting on all the information required to issue me my CPL since 7/17/2013

I just wanted to give out some information in case anybody else has been waiting an extremely long time having to deal with the Macomb County gunboard like I have.

Had I Known it was really going to take this long I would have done a change of address and dealt with a different county.

[ken243]

Enough is enough. I think someone needs to send a message to this county that this is a violation of the law. Maybe consult an attorney about your experience, see if you have a case.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(o0v0kc55kywzlwejzkfmmxeu))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-28-425b

(13) Subject to subsections (10) and (14), the concealed weapon licensing board shall issue or deny issuance of a license within 45 days after the concealed weapon licensing board receives the fingerprint comparison report provided under subsection (10). If the concealed weapon licensing board denies issuance of a license to carry a concealed pistol, the concealed weapon licensing board shall within 5 business days do both of the following:

(a) Inform the applicant in writing of the reasons for the denial. Information under this subdivision shall include all of the following:

(i) A statement of the specific and articulable facts supporting the denial.

(ii) Copies of any writings, photographs, records, or other documentary evidence upon which the denial is based.

(b) Inform the applicant in writing of his or her right to appeal the denial to the circuit court as provided in section 5d./i]

[bluwc]

I wonder why you have to go in front of the board, that rarely happens and they must want you to answer questions regarding something that popped up.

[CV67PAT]

I wonder why you have to go in front of the board, that rarely happens and they must want you to answer questions regarding something that popped up.

ALL new applicants have to appear in person before the Macomb County Gun Board.

[bluwc]

I did not know that. Are they providing a psychiatric exam at this meeting? It seems like a waste of time and money to make everyone go in front of the board. In Genesee County they only time you go in front of the board is if something pops up on your check (unless things changed). This will be my 3rd renewal when the current one expires and I've never been in front of them.

[Jeff]

I did not know that. Are they providing a psychiatric exam at this meeting? It seems like a waste of time and money to make everyone go in front of the board. In Genesee County they only time you go in front of the board is if something pops up on your check (unless things changed). This will be my 3rd renewal when the current one expires and I've never been in front of them.

They ask you 4 questions at the gun board meeting.

Why have you filed an application to get your CPL? ------------ ANSWER: Personal Protection
Are you or any family members in any immediate danger? -----ANSWER: No
Where did you take your training at?  ------------------------------ANSWER: (place you took your class)
Have you ever been convicted of a felony? ------------------------ANSWER: No

All questions already answered on the application.

You are absolutely correct, it is a complete waste of time and money.  They go through 9 applicants every 15 minutes (I am assuming it is M-F between 9am-5pm)
I am pretty sure it is all about the money, the longer they make people wait and drag ass, the more paychecks they can get out of it.   They schedule you for your meeting after they have already approved you and are ready to give you your card but make you have to go in front of them anyways just to give one final step to deny you and make things take longer.

[Jeff]

Enough is enough. I think someone needs to send a message to this county that this is a violation of the law. Maybe consult an attorney about your experience, see if you have a case.

I want to do something about it but I am not sure what to do.  I have considered E-mailing the gun board but I know that won't result in anything positive.  I fear they could just then deny me and make me wait even longer.  I feel that anything I do could cause me grief.  I can't afford a lawyer, my uncle is a lawyer but he's one of the biggest jerks on the planet so unless I was in prison I wouldn't ask him.  I am not sure who else I could contact about it.  I'm sure a news company wouldn't care, they would try to spin it off like the gun board was doing a good thing.  I just don't feel that I have any options that would give me or anyone else any benefit at this time.

[bluwc]

When you have your meeting, do you walk out with your license right then or do they make you wait longer and let you know if you're approved and snail mail it? If they don't produce the license at the time of the meeting, I would advise them of the law at that time

[dhardy57]

I wonder why you have to go in front of the board, that rarely happens and they must want you to answer questions regarding something that popped up.

Ottawa county requires ALL CPL applicants to appear before the gun board.  There is the DA, Sheriff, MSP, and the county clerk.  They each ask you a few questions, most of which are on your written application.  If they all agree, the clerk hands you your CPL.  The interview is one-on-one accross a table but it is in a room with a dozen other applicants sitting there.  When I did my interview they did clear the room for one of the applicants at his request after they told him there were some personal questions they needed to ask.  When he came out he was not happy and did not have his CPL. 

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[Jeff]

When you have your meeting, do you walk out with your license right then or do they make you wait longer and let you know if you're approved and snail mail it? If they don't produce the license at the time of the meeting, I would advise them of the law at that time

They give it to you there, I have already been approved or I wouldn't be going in front of the gun board, they would have sent me a denial letter.  I guarantee it has already been printed and laminated and is sitting in a file folder waiting to give to me on October 22nd.  And that I will have lost 3 months on the license because it was just sitting in their office collecting dust rather than giving it to me.

Even with it in my hand if I said something they didn't like they could suspend the license saying that I displayed a violent and aggressive attitude towards them and that they feel I am too hostile to have a CPL.  I don't think it would be a good idea to push their buttons when they clearly don't care about making people wait so long as it is.

[jgillmanjr]

They give it to you there, I have already been approved or I wouldn't be going in front of the gun board, they would have sent me a denial letter.  I guarantee it has already been printed and laminated and is sitting in a file folder waiting to give to me on October 22nd.  And that I will have lost 3 months on the license because it was just sitting in their office collecting dust rather than giving it to me.

Even with it in my hand if I said something they didn't like they could suspend the license saying that I displayed a violent and aggressive attitude towards them and that they feel I am too hostile to have a CPL.  I don't think it would be a good idea to push their buttons when they clearly don't care about making people wait so long as it is.

Hidden recording device.

[doesch]

I went through the same thing with Macomb county, I started the process on 2/26/2013 and was not issued my CPL until 6/11/2013.

[TheQ]

You poor saps...


In Ingham I submitted my app at the end if Aug 2010 and had my CPL 9/12/2010.

Wife's took 3 months -- same county.

[bluwc]

When I did my renewal, I received my new one in less than a week and that was from the time I dropped off my app until my new license was in my mailbox. That was with Genesee County

[CV67PAT]

When I did my renewal, I received my new one in less than a week and that was from the time I dropped off my app until my new license was in my mailbox. That was with Genesee County

That's great!

[Jeff]

I just did a live chat with the Macomb County clerks office.  I asked them if there is any dress code for going in front of the gun board.  They told me, "we suggest "business casual"... we recommend no jeans..."

I asked if your attire had any bearing on whether or not you get your CPL.  they said "You are appearing before the gun board... it is important to present yourself in a professional manner..."

-----so what, if they don't like my choice of clothes they could deny me because I don't look professional enough?  I think I will go buy a pair of sweatpants, cut some holes in it, wear a tank top and flipflops.

I wonder if my suit still fits me.  Anybody have a Rolex I can borrow?

[gryphon]

Business casual is always a good rule when representing yourself.  Khakis and a collared shirt is fine.  Just don't go wearing saggy pants down to your knees, a sports team shirt three sizes too large, a do-rag, and a baseball cap on sideways.

Btw, I was going to post a pic of what not to do and when I did a google image search for gang-banger, a picture of Mr. Rogers popped up on the first page.  That's messed up. 

[jfmi87]

I wasn't aware the 2nd amendment or self-defense had a dress code. Why haven't the gun boards been abolished or at least  the Macomb County Gun Board investigated for this behavior? In Branch county I applied/fingerprinted in early March and got mine not 2 weeks later, without having to attend a gun board meeting and miss work.

Sure Branch is much much less populated that Macomb but that is no excuse for denying someone based on what they wear, or taking months upon months to schedule a dog and pony show.

[CV67PAT]

I wasn't aware the 2nd amendment or self-defense had a dress code. Why haven't the gun boards been abolished or at least  the Macomb County Gun Board investigated for this behavior? In Branch county I applied/fingerprinted in early March and got mine not 2 weeks later, without having to attend a gun board meeting and miss work.

Sure Branch is much much less populated that Macomb but that is no excuse for denying someone based on what they wear, or taking months upon months to schedule a dog and pony show.

Someone got denied because of their attire?!?!? That bullchit!!! He (she) should sue!!!

[Tail2spin]

In Clare County you don't go before the gun board any more.

[Jeff]

Yeah, I made the biggest mistake of my life moving to Macomb County.  They violate law, severely overstep their authority and make people wait up to 5 months, but I don't have the kind of money to get a lawyer to lay into them so I have to suck it up, play nice, shine my shoes, iron my pants, put on a smile then answer stupid questions that I already answered on my application so that 3 people can make a paycheck.

[fozzy71]

I certainly did not dress business casual when applying in 2010 and have no plans to dress up for them when renewing next year.

[TheQ]

I certainly did not dress business casual when applying in 2010 and have no plans to dress up for them when renewing next year.

I hear their SOP doesn't require renewals to show.

[CV67PAT]

I hear their SOP doesn't require renewals to show.

that's correct

[Jeff]

I am back, I got my CPL.

Such a waste of time sitting in a room listening to everyone answer the same questions in the exact same way just waiting for your name to be called to do the same thing.  Everything already on the application you filed MANY MONTHS before that they already verified.

A few people didn't get theirs though because of court cases that were never closed.  Nice of the gun board to have them wait 4-5 months to tell them instead of writing a letter. 

I feel I must end on a positive note though.  The view out the window over the city with a lake in the background looked very nice.

[gryphon]

I am back, I got my CPL.

Congratulations!

[Jeff]

Congratulations!

Thanks Mr Gryphon.  Now I can open carry in my car, and make everyone in my city uncomfortable since I will be the only one haha.

[linux203]

Thanks Mr Gryphon.  Now I can possess in my car, and make everyone in my city uncomfortable since I will be the only one haha.

FIFY.  There is no provision in the law for open carry in a car.  Possession with CPL or transport without.

[TheQ]

FIFY.  There is no provision in the law for open carry in a car.  Possession with CPL or transport without.

Technically "carried otherwise". See MCL 750.227 for exact language.

[gryphon]

FIFY.  There is no provision in the law for open carry in a car.  Possession with CPL or transport without.

He knows that.  That's why he stated he needs a CPL.  I took it to mean he can now remain wearing his pistol openly without having to disarm before entering his car.

[Jeff]

He knows that.  That's why he stated he needs a CPL.  I took it to mean he can now remain wearing his pistol openly without having to disarm before entering his car.

Yar.  I just said "open carry" because now I won't have to unload and case my pistol and throw it in the trunk.

Too bad we aren't one of those wonderful states that actually recognize open carry in a car and not considering it concealed.  Now I just need an active retention holster, I already have recommendations from several people here so I will look around a bit.

[bigt8261]

Yar.  I just said "open carry" because now I won't have to unload and case my pistol and throw it in the trunk.

Too bad we aren't one of those wonderful states that actually recognize open carry in a car and not considering it concealed.  Now I just need an active retention holster, I already have recommendations from several people here so I will look around a bit.

We are working on that. If things go well, we will get a bill introduced this session.

[gryphon]

We are working on that. If things go well, we will get a bill introduced this session.

[hamaneggs]

They will question anything you have on record.Been there done that, made a speech thet included The 2A, Article1 Sec.6, 2A function attendance(picnics,rallies etc.) and mentioned the seriousness of My Responsibility to follow Art1Sec6 in The Defense of My Fellow Citizens! Be Confident in doing what IS RIGHT because YOU ARE RIGHT And It Is YOUR RIGHT!! CARRY ON!