Author Topic: Persistent Police in Wixom, MI (Read 25525 times)

hells.saints · « **on:** October 21, 2013, 01:09:14 AM »

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bigt8261 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2013, 08:17:51 AM »

Proof that your 21? You don't need to be 21 to OC in public.

I am of the opinion that the officer knows the law, which begs the question of why he was so persistent. At this point WALK AWAY. They are not "discussing" with you, they are searching and prodding.

As tempting as it may be, DO NOT ARGUE WITH THE POLICE. It is not going to help you. If you wish to educate, get the officer's information and mail a letter in later (anonymously).

Jeff · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2013, 12:40:26 PM »

lol at the guy that shows up

METL · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2013, 03:02:50 PM »

Good calm OC stop. He shouldn't have spent so much time chatting with the officers. "I just need to ask you a few questions".... response should have been "am I being detained?" "No just want to ask questions" "no thanks" *keeps walking.

bigt8261 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2013, 03:30:28 PM »

Quote from: METL on October 21, 2013, 03:02:50 PM

Good calm OC stop. He shouldn't have spent so much time chatting with the officers. "I just need to ask you a few questions".... response should have been "am I being detained?" "No just want to ask questions" "no thanks" *keeps walking.

Yep. Wash, rinse, repeat.

FASBOLD · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2013, 07:23:17 PM »

The cop said he was not detained right off the bat.

Just say," Thanks, have a nice day", and that's it.

He did engage the officer and brought the delay on himself. He did mostly "stuck to his guns" and not give out any information, other than first name, age, and waiting on a CPL, and the cops figured out he was going to keep repeating himself, so eventually, the cops got tired and ended it for him.

I think this should have been over in the first few seconds of video, and not drag out over seven minutes.

ken243 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2013, 08:50:59 PM »

Quote from: FASBOLD on October 21, 2013, 07:23:17 PM

The cop said he was not detained right off the bat.

Just say," Thanks, have a nice day", and that's it.

He did engage the officer and brought the delay on himself. He did mostly "stuck to his guns" and not give out any information, other than first name, age, and waiting on a CPL, and the cops figured out he was going to keep repeating himself, so eventually, the cops got tired and ended it for him.

I think this should have been over in the first few seconds of video, and not drag out over seven minutes.

+1

CV67PAT · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:47:04 PM »

"I don't want to answer any questions. But, blah, blah, blah, blah."

If you're not being detained, move along.

If you don't want to answer any questions, shut up.

I think this performance was strictly for the camera.

Shadow Bear · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2013, 08:21:04 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on October 21, 2013, 10:47:04 PM

"I don't want to answer any questions. But, blah, blah, blah, blah."

If you're not being detained, move along.

If you don't want to answer any questions, shut up.

I think this performance was strictly for the camera.

Yeah, what he said.

hells.saints · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2013, 11:26:18 AM »

How do I educate the police on open carry laws that they clearly aren't familiar with if I don't stay to talk? The best part about all that is that the officers didnt know they were being filmed, so it keeps them honest.

bigt8261 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2013, 11:36:17 AM »

Great question. I would suggest asking for their card and then sending them an email or anonymous letter the next day. You could also write to the chief and ask him to ensure that his officers know the law (MSP 86) if you do not get the contact info for the particular officers.

Sending an email will help to create a "paper" trail that they have been warned/informed. Many officers are just trying to do the right thing and may not know the most effective way to do so with our crowd. IE, a crowd that often knows and will not relinquish our rights.

gryphon · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2013, 12:47:23 PM »

Didn't know you were stealthily recording them. What'd you use?

CV67PAT · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2013, 05:13:16 PM »

I agree with bigt. The leo was not interested in being educated by you. He wanted no part of the information you attempted to give him. In fact I heard him say that hhe knew the law. From that video, it appears that the only thing you accomplishedwas making a clandestine recording with you new device. I have to say it functioned well.

32_d3gr33s · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2013, 10:40:03 AM »

im interested in what you used to record as well...

kryptonian · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2013, 09:33:37 PM »

I've dealt with Wixom police before OC and not had a problem. was not even approached. I might even have been the guy at Kroger but im no where near 21. maybe it was your age or demeanor. it seems like a baiter situation. handled ok in my opinion. the officer used the usual soft sell techniques and the dilemma implying he had to make an arrest decision but he stood his ground.
the camera was kind of high or maybe the subject was just tall. might not have been stealth or was a sport mounted cam. be interested to know what it was. good encounter sir.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2013, 09:40:05 PM »

Quote from: kryptonian on October 27, 2013, 09:33:37 PM

I've dealt with Wixom police before OC and not had a problem. was not even approached. I might even have been the guy at Kroger but im no where near 21. maybe it was your age or demeanor. it seems like a baiter situation. handled ok in my opinion. the officer used the usual soft sell techniques and the dilemma implying he had to make an arrest decision but he stood his ground.
the camera was kind of high or maybe the subject was just tall. might not have been stealth or was a sport mounted cam. be interested to know what it was. good encounter sir.

You think so?!?!?

autosurgeon · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2013, 06:07:20 PM »

Some of us don't get bothered in our local areas because the Leo's know we are a hard bite to swallow. They want nothing to do with us. Others who don't have said reputation are easier targets.

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hells.saints · « **Reply #17 on:** October 29, 2013, 11:59:52 AM »

Sunglasses with a camera in the bridge. When I saw them coming down the road, I turned them on.

WilDChilD · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2013, 02:47:34 PM »

Quote from: hells.saints on October 29, 2013, 11:59:52 AM

Sunglasses with a camera in the bridge. When I saw them coming down the road, I turned them on.

I want to know more about those glasses. Maybe like make and model. How is the battery life on them. The picture quality seems pretty good and audio quality wasnt to bad either. Have you recorded any other videos with them?

gryphon · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2013, 05:01:12 PM »

Quote from: hells.saints on October 29, 2013, 11:59:52 AM

Sunglasses with a camera in the bridge. When I saw them coming down the road, I turned them on.

That's a new one to me, too. Nice.

hevymetal · « **Reply #20 on:** October 29, 2013, 09:48:39 PM »

Was it these?

http://www.zetronix.com/DVR-Sunglasses/c82/Wide-Angle-32GB-HD-720p-Weatherproof-Video-Recording-Sunglasses%28266%29/product_info.html?osCsid=04f1krlab69v65gkght0g67hb0

TheQ · « **Reply #21 on:** October 29, 2013, 11:40:17 PM »

http://bit.ly/1dLhid4

Glock9mmOldStyle · « **Reply #22 on:** October 30, 2013, 01:20:09 PM »

Quote from: hells.saints on October 25, 2013, 11:26:18 AM

How do I educate the police on open carry laws that they clearly aren't familiar with if I don't stay to talk? The best part about all that is that the officers didnt know they were being filmed, so it keeps them honest.

I think you did a decent job - however when you can, fix the date/time stamp on your recording device. It is your witness, and courts make no effort to understand technical malfunctions.

The citizen was a total asshat, clearly you couldn't have looked that crazy. If so, why the hell would he walk upto a police stop and put himself in harms way? Typical dumbass - I carry hidden, that way the muggers can mistake me for a unarmed citizen & then I can try to fight my way out of an already "F"d up situation. The conceal only crowd is a little nutty when you consider this. Hey not saying a hidden pistol is not useful, saying its need to be used may have been avoided in the first place.

Carry on OPENLY & whatever other way makes sense for you.

gryphon · « **Reply #23 on:** October 30, 2013, 01:42:22 PM »

Quote from: Glock9mmOldStyle on October 30, 2013, 01:20:09 PM

Typical dumbass - I carry hidden, that way the muggers can mistake me for a unarmed citizen & then I can try to fight my way out of an already "F"d up situation.

Hiding his pistol didn't work out so good for this guy.

The victim told officers that hitting the car injured his arm and he was unable to defend himself. As the suspect, 34-year-old Willie Merriweather, searched the man he found the pistol, held it to the victim's head and demanded the rest of his valuables. The man lost his gun and wallet in the robbery.

CCer robbed with own gun

I tell people, if you're in a situation where you have to surprise someone with your gun, you're already in deep poop.

WilDChilD · « **Reply #24 on:** October 30, 2013, 07:42:31 PM »

Quote from: TheQ on October 29, 2013, 11:40:17 PM

http://bit.ly/1dLhid4

I'm sure the audio/video quality varies in spy glasses. Those seemed to be a pretty good pair that's why I wanted to know make/model. Not because I was to lazy to look.

fozzy71 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 31, 2013, 07:58:10 AM »

Quote from: WilDChilD on October 30, 2013, 07:42:31 PM

I'm sure the audio/video quality varies in spy glasses. Those seemed to be a pretty good pair that's why I wanted to know make/model. Not because I was to lazy to look.

I would be more concerned about battery life and longevity almost more than I would the audio/video quality. How long you can record and how many charges it can take before that battery life starts diminishing can turn them into nothing more than a paperweight.

WilDChilD · « **Reply #26 on:** October 31, 2013, 10:30:40 AM »

Quote from: fozzy71 on October 31, 2013, 07:58:10 AM

I would be more concerned about battery life and longevity almost more than I would the audio/video quality. How long you can record and how many charges it can take before that battery life starts diminishing can turn them into nothing more than a paperweight.

Ya that was part of my original question as well.

hells.saints · « **Reply #27 on:** October 31, 2013, 01:44:51 PM »

The sunglasses are pretty low quality. $20 on eBay. They record for about an hour per GB of data you put in the micro SD slot. The battery only lasts about two hours.

fozzy71 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 31, 2013, 07:28:12 PM »

If you want good quality I suggest a go pro

Jeff · « **Reply #29 on:** November 01, 2013, 01:09:03 AM »

The picture is so large on my monitor I feel a bit intimidated. BAN CAMERAS!

fozzy71 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 01, 2013, 11:45:45 AM »

lol yeah, sorry about that. stole it from google and dint feel like finding a smaller one.

Xpiatio · « **Reply #31 on:** December 05, 2013, 11:13:35 PM »

Why not just get Google glass. You can capture pictures and take video.

Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

fozzy71 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 06, 2013, 11:38:14 AM »

Quote from: Xpiatio on December 05, 2013, 11:13:35 PM

Why not just get Google glass. You can capture pictures and take video.

Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

GG is very obvious and I would expect most cops would assume they are camera glasses even if they didn't actually know what GG is.

ProXaQ · « **Reply #33 on:** April 01, 2014, 10:10:50 PM »

Not to mention, seriously still expensive.

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