GR Hospital OC experience

[fsr402]

OC'ed at the Butterworth hospital last night in GR.  Didn't go as well as I had hoped.  Lol. I have a valid CPL and was full OC so I was legal and there was no signage stating that I couldn't.

Walked in, stopped at an information desk to get my parking validated and ask for my father's room number.  Being I didn't know what elevator to take a cute early 20 something girl lead me through the building so I would not get lost. Got to the room without any issues and no strange looks. Was there about 10 minutes when two security guards came in wanting to talk to me. 
I stepped into the hall and instantly one of them tries to remove the gun. He tugged on it twice but due to it being a retention holster he failed. He then asked me to remove it for him. I sad "no it's perfectly safe right where it is. "
He then starting telling me it was illegal to have that there and I quickly explained to him the way the laws are written I am legal to carry openly because I have a valid cpl. He then tells me "well our policy says that you can't". I say "now you are talking something different.  I know this is not a state owned hospital and it's privately owned so property owner rights trump state law and if you ask me to leave I have to. So if that is what you are doing then I will lock it up in my vehicle and return". They were happy with that and walked with me to make sure I did.
They were polite and other than the guy trying a gun grab it was not a big deal.
On the walk out and back in we talked about guns, holsters, the need for people to carry and the training they should have when they do carry.
They also said "don't think you are the first person we have had to do this to we even get panic calls for empty holsters". One of them gave me his card and said that if anyone gave me troubles about the holster to show them the card and that it was fine.

[LD]

OC'ed at the Butterworth hospital last night.  Didn't go as well as I had hoped.  Lol. I have a valid CPL and wsd full OC so I was legal and there was no signage stating that I couldn't.

Walked in, stopped at an information desk to get my parking validated and ask for my father's room number.  Being I didn't know what elevator to take a cute early 20 something girl lead me through the building so I would not get lost. Got tothe room without any issues and no strange looks. Was there about 10 minutes when two security guards came in wanting to talk to me. 
I stepped into the hall and instantly one of them tries to remove the gun. He tugged on it twice but due to it being a retention holster he failed. He then asked me to remove it for him. I sad "no it's perfectly safe right where it is. "
He then starting telling me it was illegal to have that there and I quickly explained to him the way the laws are written I am legal to carry openly because I have a valid cpl. He then tells me "well our policy says that you can't". I say "now you are talking something different.  I know this is not a state owned hospital and it's privately owned so property owner rights trump state law and if you ask me to leave I have to. So if that is what you are doing then I will lock it up in my vehicle and return". They were happy with that and walked with me to make sure I did.
They were polite and other than the guy trying a gun grab it was nit a big deal.
On the walk out and back in we talked about guns, holsters, the need for people to carry and the training they should have when they do carry.
They also said "don't think you are the first person we have had to do this to we even get panic calls fir empty holsters". One of them gave me his card and said that if anyone gave me troubles about the holster to show them the card and that it was fine.

Wonder how that would have worked if they did take your gun & YOU called the police to report a stolen firearm?

They said you weren't the first they did that to? Wonder if the one grabbing the gun has a CPL ?
If not, how do they feel about security breaking state law?

[Pond Scum]

That guy trying to remove your gun is one of the most dangerous things he could have done.  It could have led to an accidental discharge or broken bones.  He needs some education.

[fsr402]

They were both ex-cops. The gun grabber was telling me how his cpl allows him to CC in PFZ's and yet he's also not allowed to carry in the hospital.

Typical cop thinking they have the right to take your gun "for safety". We all know the safest place is right there in the holster. 

Maybe I should write an email to his supervisor.

[FASBOLD]

I stepped into the hall and instantly one of them tries to remove the gun.

WOW, just wow.

They need two kinds of training.

Training in the rules of firearm safety first, and then training on how to handle people who are minding their own business and treat them as law abiding nice people until they prove otherwise.

Grabbing your gun is assault, besides being incredibly dangerous.

Were they armed?

[Pond Scum]

Maybe I should write an email to his supervisor.

Absolutely!  I strongly encourage you to alert hospital management.  Those guys need some remedial training.  Can you imagine the liability of the hospital if the gun had gone off??  AND hurt someone?  Of course they would probably try and blame it on you but the blame is clearly on the security guard.

[hevymetal]

WOW, just wow.

They need two kinds of training.

Training in the rules of firearm safety first, and then training on how to handle people who are minding their own business and treat them as law abiding nice people until they prove otherwise.

Grabbing your gun is assault, besides being incredibly dangerous.

Agreed, I would file a formal complaint against the guard who attempted to grab your firearm. If their attempt to grab your firearm would have discharged it, then what? They are lucky their ignorance didn't lead to an injury or worse a death.

Bad professionalism and VERY DANGEROUS to grab someone's firearm. The situation could have been handled MUCH better then it was. A complaint to their boss may invoke the training they seem to be in desperate need of.

JMHO
Hevy

[CV67PAT]

That guy trying to remove your gun is one of the most dangerous things he could have done.  It could have led to an accidental discharge or broken bones.  He needs some education.

Or worse... Getting shot and killed. Going for ones gun places that person in fear for their life.

[Pond Scum]

Or worse... Getting shot and killed. Going for ones gun places that person in fear for their life.

In the past I have carried a knife on the weak side for gun grabbing situations.

[fozzy71]

In the past I have carried a knife on the weak side for gun grabbing situations.

I prefer to carry a gun on the week side for that scenario.   

[CV67PAT]

I prefer to carry a gun on the week side for that scenario.   

And what would you carry on the weekend side?

[fozzy71]

And what would you carry on the weekend side?

 

[TheQ]

This experience deserves it's own thread.

[Jeff]

vodka

[bigt8261]

I've previously carried into Butterworth without issue. My wife and I were at a doctor's office on the north side of Michigan St. We had to go over to get a few tests done. As we were walking over the bridge, I moved my IWB, to a tight fit OWB but inside my belt and tucked my shirt in. When we got to the other side of the bridge and were waiting for the elevator, the nurse escorting us noticed and kinda had a weird look like 'that wasn't there before'. Everything went fine and no one ever said a thing. Only a few weird looks.

+1 for writing to supervisors.

See post 779 at the bottom of the page for my previous writeup. http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,12.760.html

[casper]

Since no one else mentioned it, I will. If they've had to remove people for guns before, should they not have thought to post it on the entrances ? Or do they just want to feel and act like tough guys ? I have a real problem with gun grabbers. Very dangerous !

[Shadow Bear]

Steel Magnolia has strict instructions to let me die before anyone carries me into Butterworth.

[Mando21]

Steel Magnolia has strict instructions to let me die before anyone carries me into Butterworth.

Because... they don't allow guns inside?

[CV67PAT]

Since no one else mentioned it, I will. If they've had to remove people for guns before, should they not have thought to post it on the entrances ? Or do they just want to feel and act like tough guys ? I have a real problem with gun grabbers. Very dangerous !

I'm not for pointing out the absence of signs. We might start seeing more signs than we care to.

[Jeff]

What sign? I didn't see any sign.  Anywhere..EVER.... wasn't posted in spanish???