Author Topic: Florida Carry (Read 19344 times)

linux203 · « **on:** February 20, 2014, 08:15:03 PM »

Open Carried at:

Mapco gas station and Holiday Inn in Chattanooga, TN
Olive Garden in Valdosta, GA.
Some random rest area in Georgia.

Kept it very concealed in Florida, especially in Lake Buena Vista.

No issues the whole trip.

Pond Scum · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2014, 09:10:58 PM »

Quote from: linux203 on February 20, 2014, 08:15:03 PM

Kept it very concealed in Florida, especially in Lake Buena Vista.

Smart. Florida is not friendly for OC.

Did you see me waving at you?? Just leaving Downtown Disney now. No carry at all for me this trip. Hopping on a cruise ship Saturday and no place to leave em.

linux203 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2014, 10:38:52 PM »

If by not friendly you mean illegal, yes.

I'm already back in Michigan. Our laws really aren't that bad.

Pond Scum · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2014, 07:49:50 AM »

Quote from: linux203 on February 20, 2014, 10:38:52 PM

If by not friendly you mean illegal, yes.

I'm already back in Michigan. Our laws really aren't that bad.

Oops, that must have been someone else I was waving at.

Illegal is more direct ..... FL has been ahead of the pack for 2A but behind on OC ..... MI laws still need improving but it is nice not to worry about accidentally exposing your gun .... I travel to TX upon occasion and there it is even illegal to print. Sigh.

gryphon · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2014, 09:18:36 AM »

Quote from: Pond Scum on February 21, 2014, 07:49:50 AM

I travel to TX upon occasion and there it is even illegal to print. Sigh.

I travel to Texas once a year to 4WD in the SW desert. It is not illegal to print in Texas.

Pond Scum · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2014, 09:34:18 AM »

Quote from: gryphon on February 21, 2014, 09:18:36 AM

I travel to Texas once a year to 4WD in the SW desert. It is not illegal to print in Texas.

Aiieeeeedeiiieeee. That's what I get for listening to my silly friends instead of reading the law.

gryphon · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2014, 10:17:28 AM »

Quote from: Pond Scum on February 21, 2014, 09:34:18 AM

Aiieeeeedeiiieeee. That's what I get for listening to my silly friends instead of reading the law.

Your friends aren't law enforcement officers, are they?

There is no law against "printing." You can even bend over or have the wind catch your jacket and accidentally expose your gun. That's not illegal, either. The law states that you cannot intentionally show it. So accidentally showing it is okay. Intentionally opening your coat to expose your gun as a threat to someone else is not okay.

Here is the law:

"A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder’s person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally displays the handgun in plain view of another person in a public place."

bigt8261 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2014, 10:36:36 AM »

Isn't that a new change that came about just in the past few years?

gryphon · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2014, 11:00:10 AM »

Quote from: bigt8261 on February 21, 2014, 10:36:36 AM

Isn't that a new change that came about just in the past few years?

I'm going to answer, "no." The law was "clarified," but no change of actual legality occurred. It was always legal to "print." However, some people looked at the old wording/definition in law of what "concealed" meant (is your gun openly visible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person) and the wording of the law "intentionally fails to conceal the handgun" and thought that might mean printing. Even some CHL instructors, through an abundance of caution, warned students that some cop may try to use that against you, just like they are selectively arresting people now for "carrying guns in a manner calculated to cause alarm", so recommended to avoid printing. But it was never illegal.

The legislature merely clarified the meaning to people who had a hard time with the English language.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2014, 11:26:48 AM »

Is this new thread about Florida or Texas?

TheQ · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2014, 11:30:03 AM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on February 21, 2014, 11:26:48 AM

Is this new thread about Florida or Texas?

It started with Florida and morphed to TX...it actually started in the Experience thread until I split it.

gryphon · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2014, 11:30:58 AM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on February 21, 2014, 11:26:48 AM

Is this new thread about Florida or Texas?

Yes.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2014, 11:36:26 AM »

Printing is illegal in Illinois.

Pond Scum · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2014, 06:10:33 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on February 21, 2014, 11:36:26 AM

Printing is illegal in Illinois.

With all the different laws, interpretations, and word of mouth it is good to put it out here to keep reminding us. I'm happy that MI is OC so we don't have to worry if we are printing or if we are not totally concealed or OC. Even though we still need to worry about what brandishing means. Sigh..

CV67PAT · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2014, 06:25:37 PM »

Quote from: Pond Scum on February 21, 2014, 06:10:33 PM

With all the different laws, interpretations, and word of mouth it is good to put it out here to keep reminding us. I'm happy that MI is OC so we don't have to worry if we are printing or if we are not totally concealed or OC. Even though we still need to worry about what brandishing means. Sigh..

We do? How's that?

Pond Scum · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2014, 09:49:55 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on February 21, 2014, 06:25:37 PM

We do? How's that?

Okay, we don't have to but I worry about brandishing. Is brandishing defined in Michigan law? Has it been settled in case law? Do I know what a jury may decide it means when I am on trial??

CV67PAT · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2014, 10:30:17 PM »

Quote from: Pond Scum on February 21, 2014, 09:49:55 PM

Okay, we don't have to but I worry about brandishing. Is brandishing defined in Michigan law? Has it been settled in case law? Do I know what a jury may decide it means when I am on trial??

Are you really that worried about brandishing???

gryphon · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2014, 10:34:21 PM »

Quote from: Pond Scum on February 21, 2014, 09:49:55 PM

Is brandishing defined in Michigan law? Has it been settled in case law? Do I know what a jury may decide it means when I am on trial??

No. No. No.

TheQ · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2014, 10:44:25 PM »

RE Brandishing: Johnson and Dillion bills being heard in committee next Thursday. Stay tubed in our email updates...

CV67PAT · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2014, 10:53:08 PM »

Quote from: TheQ on February 21, 2014, 10:44:25 PM

RE Brandishing: Johnson and Dillion bills being heard in committee next Thursday. Stay tubed in our email updates...

Are those the ones that make it not brandishing so long as it's in a holster or on a sling?

TheQ · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2014, 04:49:32 AM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on February 21, 2014, 10:53:08 PM

Are those the ones that make it not brandishing so long as it's in a holster or on a sling?

That language is gone. "Stay tuned".

CV67PAT · « **Reply #21 on:** February 22, 2014, 09:05:30 AM »

Will do. I think it is an important issue. Brandishing, while not widely used, is one of those charges that can just make a day miserable for some through "selective enforcement."

Pond Scum · « **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2014, 10:29:04 AM »

Quote from: gryphon on February 21, 2014, 10:34:21 PM

No. No. No.

I worry.

When a policeman comes to my car window or stops me on the street and he "casually" rests his hand on the butt of his gun is that "Brandishing"

I think it is but will they ever be arrested for it? If I did that would I be arrested??

CV67PAT · « **Reply #23 on:** February 22, 2014, 10:41:44 AM »

Quote from: Pond Scum on February 22, 2014, 10:29:04 AM

I worry.

When a policeman comes to my car window or stops me on the street and he "casually" rests his hand on the butt of his gun is that "Brandishing"

I think it is but will they ever be arrested for it? If I did that would I be arrested??

Police officers are exempt in the statute.
In the presence of a LEO, doing that might cause a problem for you.
Intent, under other circumstances, would be the underlying determinant. If it were done to intimidate, a conviction could be probable.

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Author Topic: Florida Carry (Read 19344 times)