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Offline gryphon

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Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« on: March 10, 2014, 02:17:28 PM »
Connersville Police Chief David Counceller was looking at a .380-caliber handgun and pulled out his Glock 23 to compare it with other gun.

After he put the Glock back in his holster, Counceller tugged on his jacket. Within seconds, the Glock fired, striking him in the right leg.

For good measure, he swept a nearby customer with his live gun after shooting himself.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/call-6-investigators/drawstrings-can-cause-guns-many-law-enforcement-agencies-use-to-fire
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 02:23:31 PM »
Some interesting things in the news video, including the fact this same chief shot himself once before, and a list of some other LEOs who've done the same thing, accidentally shot themselves because their drawstrings were caught in a Glock's trigger guard.
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2014, 04:08:07 PM »
Got to love it... not the dumbass PD chiefs fault for pulling out a live pistol to compare in a store with citizens around, it's his draw string.... if this was just Joe citizen...wonder if he would get off so easy?
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2014, 05:50:07 PM »
More "Only LEOs are qualified to use guns."

Pennsylvania State Trooper Fatally Shot Pregnant Wife While Cleaning Gun

Joseph Miller was taking apart his personal .45-caliber pistol at home in East Norriton, but he did not realize the gun was loaded. The gun discharged, shooting Miller's wife, JoAnne, 34, in the head.

JoAnne, who was 22 weeks pregnant at the time, was rushed to a local hospital, where she was pronounced dead. Her baby did not survive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/trooper-shot-wife-pregnant-pennsylvania_n_4934916.html
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2014, 06:48:27 PM »
I think it's time to move forward with the ban on draw strings.  I am currently really careful about that, I hope I always maintain that state when holstering and don't ever get lax about it like some do.  I'm a little surprised that they didn't say "it just went off, I don't know what happened, I didn't do anything" like most people that have a negligent discharge.
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2014, 08:03:55 PM »
Quote from: Jeff on March 10, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
I think it's time to move forward with the ban on draw strings.  I am currently really careful about that, I hope I always maintain that state when holstering and don't ever get lax about it like some do.  I'm a little surprised that they didn't say "it just went off, I don't know what happened, I didn't do anything" like most people that have a negligent discharge.

But but but.. I thought it was accidental?! </troll>
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2014, 08:16:26 PM »
Quote from: Jeff on March 10, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
I think it's time to move forward with the ban on draw strings.  I am currently really careful about that, I hope I always maintain that state when holstering and don't ever get lax about it like some do.  I'm a little surprised that they didn't say "it just went off, I don't know what happened, I didn't do anything" like most people that have a negligent discharge.
I don't quite agree with an outright ban on drawstrings. Maybe a waiting period to get one. And then allowed only in a reduced capacity length.
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2014, 09:08:50 PM »
Quote from: CV67PAT on March 10, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
I don't quite agree with an outright ban on drawstrings. Maybe a waiting period to get one. And then allowed only in a reduced capacity length.

Clearly there will be a huge black market on full length drawstrings, we will need laws to prevent private sales so that we can protect our children.
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Re: Only law enforcement is trained enough to have guns
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2014, 10:36:05 AM »
Quote from: gryphon on March 10, 2014, 05:50:07 PM
More "Only LEOs are qualified to use guns."

Pennsylvania State Trooper Fatally Shot Pregnant Wife While Cleaning Gun

Joseph Miller was taking apart his personal .45-caliber pistol at home in East Norriton, but he did not realize the gun was loaded. The gun discharged, shooting Miller's wife, JoAnne, 34, in the head.

JoAnne, who was 22 weeks pregnant at the time, was rushed to a local hospital, where she was pronounced dead. Her baby did not survive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/trooper-shot-wife-pregnant-pennsylvania_n_4934916.html


It always seems to get 'em in the head...  how does that happen!?    I always suspect foul play in these cases....
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Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 03:34:43 PM »
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Offline CV67PAT

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Re: Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 03:39:09 PM »
Another example of why the 1911 is the safest handgun to carry.
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Re: Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2014, 03:48:43 PM »
Remember though that only POLICE should carry guns.
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Re: Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2014, 04:07:36 PM »
his first mistake was unholstering it. his second mistake was fumbling with his coat.. glad to know cops are the best example of gun safety!
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Re: Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2014, 04:53:27 PM »
SD40VE, you don't read the forum much, do you?   :toetap:

http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3871.0.html

Posted several days ago.   :P
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Re: Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2014, 05:05:12 PM »
Quote from: gryphon on March 12, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
SD40VE, you don't read the forum much, do you?   :toetap:

http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3871.0.html

Posted several days ago.   :P
Hey, give the kid a break. He's one of those computer geeks.
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Re: Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2014, 05:29:24 PM »
Quote from: CV67PAT on March 12, 2014, 05:05:12 PM
Hey, give the kid a break. He's one of those computer geeks.

All the more reason to

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Re: Snagged clothing in holster causing discharge of firearm
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2014, 06:20:17 PM »
That's not how you cut hair gryph PSH
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