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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 01:56:40 PM »
the police were in the right. he drew during an argument where it was not needed. he was more than likely using as an intimidation device. his life was not in danger from what i read...

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 02:20:00 PM »
the police were in the right. he drew during an argument where it was not needed. he was more than likely using as an intimidation device. his life was not in danger from what i read...

Probably. But this assumes that we have the whole story. I recommend withholding judgment until both sides of the story come out in court.

Remember the White-Mexican, who hunted down the poor little black boy and murdered him in cold blood? Yeah, me neither. But that's because I remember what came out in court, not the initial news release from the prosecution's side.
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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 02:24:28 PM »
Probably. But this assumes that we have the whole story. I recommend withholding judgment until both sides of the story come out in court.

Remember the White-Mexican, who hunted down the poor little black boy and murdered him in cold blood? Yeah, me neither. But that's because I remember what came out in court, not the initial news release from the prosecution's side.

I agree with you 100% inicent until proven guilty.  But if he is guilty so be it and give him what he has coming.  This is the type of behavior that we do not need.
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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 02:51:00 PM »
general rule of thumb i was told when taking my cpl class. keep it holstered and concealed until your life is in immediate danger. dont pull it out unless you are 100% sure you are going to use and kill the target.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 03:23:43 PM »
general rule of thumb i was told when taking my cpl class. keep it holstered and concealed until your life is in immediate danger. dont pull it out unless you are 100% sure you are going to use and kill the target stop the threat.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 03:33:07 PM »
 :yeahthat:

Shoot to stop, not shoot to kill. If the assailant has put you in a situation where the only reasonable means of stopping said assailant is employing a tactic that has a statistically significant probability of killing the assailant, then that is the fault of the assailant.

Another way of saying it is that you stop shooting when the attacker is no longer a threat, not when the attacker is dead, though there may be overlap in those definitions.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 04:23:34 PM »
i was told by my CPL instructor to empty the whole mag into them. well 14+1 from a .40 ought to do the trick.....

also why i carry spare mags. never want to have to stand there after using a firearm in defense with no rounds left... what if they have friends who arent too happy you just shot their friend... they become a threat and you are left with a paperweight you might be able to throw and knock one out....nope i carry 3 14 round mags and 1 in chamber. 43 rounds total

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 04:39:19 PM »
You do what you feel is necessary, but I think that could very easily get you into trouble.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 04:42:01 PM »
I'm hoping that was snark..
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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2014, 04:43:19 PM »
Sir, would you like to tell us why you shot the man 15 times?

- Because I wasn't carrying my extended mag today.
- Because I decided to carry my .40 today instead of my 9 which hold more rounds.
- Because I was tired after reloading.
- Because I don't carry a .45  :score:

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 04:46:32 PM »
well this is also the CPL instructor who told me i could ONLY carry concealed once i got my cpl.

he also said a carry gun must start with a .4 caliber, 40,44,45

im still wondering how hes certified to teach cpl lol.

with good shot placement shouldnt take more than 3-5 rounds to neutralize a threat

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2014, 04:48:02 PM »
Sir, would you like to tell us why you shot the man 15 times?

- Because I wasn't carrying my extended mag today.
- Because I decided to carry my .40 today instead of my 9 which hold more rounds.
- Because I was tired after reloading.
- Because I don't carry a .45  :score:

lol i left my 100 round drum at home and carried my standard mags today sir.

i do have a 33 round glock mag lol.


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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2014, 06:48:50 PM »
keep it holstered and concealed until your life is in immediate danger.

Would that still apply if someone was walking up towards you, you try talking to him, he says nothing with his hands in his pocket.  He is still walking.  You tell him, SIR please stop coming towards me, he keeps walking.  Your life could be in immediate danger.

People are too polite and could end up getting killed.  You let that guy get within 10 feet of you and it could be all over for you.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2014, 07:56:28 PM »
with good shot placement shouldnt take more than 3-5 rounds to neutralize a threat

Read the MOC Newsletter, Issue No. 3.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2014, 08:06:05 PM »
well this is also the CPL instructor who told me i could ONLY carry concealed once i got my cpl.

he also said a carry gun must start with a .4 caliber, 40,44,45

im still wondering how hes certified to teach cpl lol.

with good shot placement shouldnt take more than 3-5 rounds to neutralize a threat

Well, shucks- guess I'm out- the caliber of my carry starts with a '1'.
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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2014, 10:44:53 PM »
general rule of thumb i was told when taking my cpl class. keep it holstered and concealed until your life is in immediate danger. dont pull it out unless you are 100% sure you are going to use and kill the target.

There is nothing wrong with a proper defensive display. It's doing so, and then not thoroughly understanding conflict psychology and communication techniques to deescalate it which can then make it get much worse very fast in a situation where violence could have been avoided.

with good shot placement shouldnt take more than 3-5 rounds to neutralize a threat

I'm definitely a fan of double stack mags. The realities of stopping a killer do not reliably mix well with worrying about pinpoint accuracy over speed, and consequently thinking you need less ammo.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2014, 05:06:26 AM »
Read the MOC Newsletter, Issue No. 3.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2014, 08:08:29 AM »
 ;D wow MOC is now world wide. we got the UK in da house!

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2014, 08:23:55 AM »
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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2014, 09:21:04 AM »
well this is also the CPL instructor who told me i could ONLY carry concealed once i got my cpl.

he also said a carry gun must start with a .4 caliber, 40,44,45

im still wondering how hes certified to teach cpl lol.

with good shot placement shouldnt take more than 3-5 rounds to neutralize a threat

Here's your sign -- your instructor was a crack pot.
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2014, 09:22:41 AM »
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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2014, 10:01:54 AM »
Is there a way to access these via e-mail as sending them via post to the UK does not seem cost effective. -Michael

They are all available online.  You can sign up for them here.  Check the newsletter choice.

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In the meantime, here is a direct link:

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2014, 10:04:44 AM »
;D wow MOC is now world wide. we got the UK in da house!

We've got people in Japan and Germany getting these as well.

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2014, 08:17:12 PM »
Here's the other side.

First DGU (defensive gun use) in Chicago

The man was walking from his garage to the front of his home when two males in hoodies appeared in a gangway between his home and the neighbor's home, Sullivan said.

One of the two men pulled a handgun from his waistband and pointed at the man who took out his own gun and managed to fire several times at the males, Sullivan said.

The males fled the area without being struck.

After the shooting, police responded and determined that the man was shooting in self-defense. The man had a valid firearm owner's identification card, a valid concealed carry permit...

The man is not facing charges as police search for the two males, described as a tall male and a short male. Those two face charges.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-no-charges-for-man-with-concealed-carry-permit-who-fired-at-armed-male-20140405,0,2472485.story

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Re: First CC holder arrested in Chicago
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2014, 07:51:45 AM »
A tall male and a short male.  They will clearly be found any moment with that description :p