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Offline francis

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open carry with cpl in hospitals
« on: June 23, 2014, 10:29:51 PM »
Did I here right in the moc video that open carry in hospitals is permited with a cpl? Looking on the back of my cpl license It says it is prohibited to conceal in a hospital and for me this is a grey area! please someone that knows the law well on this fill me in!
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Offline jasoncw

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open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 10:37:08 PM »
Yes it is ok to OC with a CPL. However, if it is a privately owned hospital, they can ask you to leave. If you do not comply, you could be charged with trespassing.

The hospital he entered is privately owned with no firearms signs posted, but no one told him to leave. He mentioned that both the nurse and doctor saw him carrying.

MCL 750.237a(5)
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 10:42:52 PM »
Keep your arm down to your side, nobody will see it.

those that do, the observant less sheepish ones, won't care as long as your body language shows that you have a legitimate reason to be there.

so is my experience in hospitals.
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 10:44:08 PM »
Yes, by law you can OC in a hospital if you have a CPL.

MCL 750.234d says you need a CPL to possess a firearm on hospital premises.  However, MCL 28.425o says you cannot conceal unless you have a special exemption, so OC is the only option as MCL 28.425o only applies to concealed carry.

If it is a private hospital they can ask you to leave, though.
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Offline francis

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 10:55:40 PM »
thanks for the post if anyone else has any imput please post your thoughts or facts on this subject!
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 09:12:57 AM »
MCL 750.237a (5) is the wrong cite. That is for schools.

Follow what gryphon cited. MCL 750.234d and 28.425o.
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 05:08:25 PM »
But if the door is posted-better leave it outside..dont make em ask you to leave.
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2014, 10:16:39 PM »
A posting on the door only matters if they are a private hospital. There are a few publicly owned hospitals that are posted in which the signs have no weight. However most hospitals on the state are private and if posted as I have seen could be notification of trespass as it was obvious and plenty big.

In any case it is not a gun charge.
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2014, 10:55:17 PM »
Quote from: CG2880 on June 29, 2014, 05:08:25 PM
But if the door is posted-better leave it outside..dont make em ask you to leave.
Why not?
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Offline Jeff

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 01:27:11 AM »
My only real fear of being asked to leave might be never actually being asked at all.

COP:  Come with us, you were asked to leave the premises and refused.
Me:  I was never asked to leave.
Private Property agent:  Yes I did.

Me:  I would have left immediately if you had asked, I will leave right now.
COP:  You're under arrest for criminal trespass.

ME:  :mad: :'( :mad: :mad:
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Offline mosnar87

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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 04:08:42 PM »
Quote from: Jeff on June 30, 2014, 01:27:11 AM
My only real fear of being asked to leave might be never actually being asked at all.

COP:  Come with us, you were asked to leave the premises and refused.
Me:  I was never asked to leave.
Private Property agent:  Yes I did.

Me:  I would have left immediately if you had asked, I will leave right now.
COP:  You're under arrest for criminal trespass.

ME:  :mad: :'( :mad: :mad:

Voice recorder.
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 04:38:59 PM »
Quote from: mosnar87 on June 30, 2014, 04:08:42 PM
Voice recorder.

everyone should have the recording app. or use a voice recorder. this prevents selective memory
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2014, 08:14:53 PM »
Quote from: SD40VE on June 30, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
everyone should have the recording app. or use a voice recorder. this prevents selective memory
But if the question was never asked, how can you record it not being asked?

COP:  Come with us, you were asked to leave the premises and refused.
Me:  I was never asked to leave.
Private Property agent:  Yes I did.
Me: No you didn't. I have it recorded right here.
COP: Let me hear where he didn't ask you.
COP: Play that one more time please.

Me:  I would have left immediately if you had asked, I will leave right now.
COP:  You're under arrest for criminal trespass.
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Offline birddseedd

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2014, 08:37:33 PM »
How about we walk the sidewalk armed until the government make it legal for us to carry. a hospital is different than any other place. you don't have a choice but to go. I can choose to go to a theater or not, but if you are sick, you have to go to the hospital. why should you lose your rights just because you get sick.
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Offline CV67PAT

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2014, 08:48:12 PM »
Quote from: birddseedd on June 30, 2014, 08:37:33 PM
How about we walk the sidewalk armed until the government make it legal for us to carry. a hospital is different than any other place. you don't have a choice but to go. I can choose to go to a theater or not, but if you are sick, you have to go to the hospital. why should you lose your rights just because you get sick.
It already is legal to open carry in a hospital, with a CPL.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2014, 08:49:16 PM »
i'm tired.

i meant to say illegal for them to refuse you and kick you out for lawfully being in posession of a firearm
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open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2014, 10:42:00 AM »

Quote from: birddseedd on June 30, 2014, 08:49:16 PM
i'm tired.

i meant to say illegal for them to refuse you and kick you out for lawfully being in posession of a firearm

I'm personally opposed to telling a private property owner that they cannot kick anyone out for any reason.
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Offline birddseedd

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2014, 10:45:24 AM »
hospitals don't have business owners
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Offline CV67PAT

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2014, 10:45:56 AM »
Quote from: TheQ on July 01, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
I'm personally opposed to telling a private property owner that they cannot kick anyone out for any reason.
I agree. Even if they're barefoot.
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Re: open carry with cpl in hospitals
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2014, 10:46:51 AM »
Quote from: birddseedd on July 01, 2014, 10:45:24 AM
hospitals don't have business owners
Privately owned hospitals do.
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