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Offline chromecat

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CC in Meijer or similar stores
« on: August 27, 2014, 07:09:33 PM »
Hi All,

I'm assuming you all can answer this for me since this seems to be the go to place or all things carry. Depending on whether or not I'm in my work gear has a lot to do with OC vs CC. Looking through the different forums, I notice comments regarding being careful about going into Meijer (or other stores that sell alcohol) without having and CPL and OC'ing. My question is this, it doesn't appear that these type of locations, even a QD, would qualify as a location that per MCL 28.425o "A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises". Even if you don't consider the rest of the statement, none of these places would consider alcohol as their primary income source. Am I or am I not allowed to CC there? Am I missing something? Thanks!
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2014, 08:05:19 PM »
***Liquor license, NO CPL - NO CARRY anywhere on property. *Except if you have permission from the owner/management, preferably in writing.

***Liquor license, CPL, not sold for consumption on premises - OC or CC.

***Liquor license, CPL, alcohol sold for consumption and primary source of income, OC only.

***Liquor license, CPL, alcohol sold for consumption and NOT primary source of income, CC or OC.

Ref: MCL 
750.234d
28.425o

Primary means largest single source.
There is no % in the MCL only primary source is written.
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2014, 09:33:53 PM »
Quote from: chromecat on August 27, 2014, 07:09:33 PM
without having and CPL and OC'ing.

 Am I or am I not allowed to CC there? Am I missing something? Thanks!
Do you or don't you have a CPL?
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2014, 10:00:11 PM »
Quote from: chromecat on August 27, 2014, 07:09:33 PM
Hi All,

I'm assuming you all can answer this for me since this seems to be the go to place or all things carry. Depending on whether or not I'm in my work gear has a lot to do with OC vs CC. Looking through the different forums, I notice comments regarding being careful about going into Meijer (or other stores that sell alcohol) without having and CPL and OC'ing. My question is this, it doesn't appear that these type of locations, even a QD, would qualify as a location that per MCL 28.425o "A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises". Even if you don't consider the rest of the statement, none of these places would consider alcohol as their primary income source. Am I or am I not allowed to CC there? Am I missing something? Thanks!

I'm assuming, since you quoted the CPL statute and the later statement, you possess a valid CPL.

TeMpTiN is correct, but I'll elaborate based solely on the Meijer and QD in your question.

For concealed carry only, MCL 28.425o is applicable.  Meijer and QD do not sell alcohol by the glass for consumption on the premises.  You are within your legal rights to carry concealed.

For open carry only, MCL 750.234d is applicable.  However, MCL 750.234d(2)(c) makes MCL 750.234d(1)(h) not applicable to you.  You are within your legal rights to carry openly.
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2014, 11:05:39 PM »
I do have my CPL. Thanks for the great responses!
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2014, 01:23:32 PM »
Welcome chromecat!

Quote from: TeMpTiN on August 27, 2014, 08:05:19 PM
***Liquor license, NO CPL - NO CARRY anywhere on property. *Except if you have permission from the owner/management, preferably in writing.

***Liquor license, CPL, not sold for consumption on premises - OC or CC.

***Liquor license, CPL, alcohol sold for consumption and primary source of income, OC only.

***Liquor license, CPL, alcohol sold for consumption and NOT primary source of income, CC or OC.

Ref: MCL
750.234d
28.425o

Primary means largest single source.
There is no % in the MCL only primary source is written.

Welcome TeMpTiN! Accurate first post!
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2015, 12:28:18 PM »
Quote from: TeMpTiN on August 27, 2014, 08:05:19 PM
***Liquor license, NO CPL - NO CARRY anywhere on property. *Except if you have permission from the owner/management, preferably in writing.

***Liquor license, CPL, not sold for consumption on premises - OC or CC.

***Liquor license, CPL, alcohol sold for consumption and primary source of income, OC only.

***Liquor license, CPL, alcohol sold for consumption and NOT primary source of income, CC or OC.

Ref: MCL
750.234d
28.425o

Primary means largest single source.
There is no % in the MCL only primary source is written.

Considering that Beer and or whiskey are mostly water does that mean we can carry in our local bar?

I always interpreted that to mean beverages that contained alcohol and all other sales.
Just the two categories rather then buggers, fries, malts, cokes, sweaters, hats, spare ribs, baked potatoes, etc.   
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2015, 08:11:56 AM »
Coats and hats would be "merch".
Shakes, malts, burgers, fries, would be "food".
Some places may even offer "services".
Bar is always separate.

To answer your last question YES legally you can carry at your local bar, provided just like any other private property the ownership/management does not say no.

***Liquor license, CPL, alcohol sold for consumption and primary source of income, OC only.

Probably better OC if it is a Bar. Many people here go to bars for food and company not just booze, and many myself included carry in them.

If you do and you run into management that wants you to leave, be polite and do so. I would not feel obligated to pay my bill, but I would tip my waitress/waiter. If you feel comfortable and want to continue going to the venue we can help you to educate management / owners and some change their minds.

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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2015, 09:24:09 PM »
Quote from: TeMpTiN on January 27, 2015, 08:11:56 AM
If you do and you run into management that wants you to leave, be polite and do so. I would not feel obligated to pay my bill, but I would tip my waitress/waiter. If you feel comfortable and want to continue going to the venue we can help you to educate management / owners and some change their minds.

"You're management here?"
"You're refusing service and you wish me to leave?"
"Since you're refusing to serve me, there's no bill, right?"
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 02:22:20 AM »
Ok my phone is not letting me pull mcls without a cpl is it ok to carry in mejier? Or like wise stores? I have over many times in to those kinds of stores never had a problem.


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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 06:11:08 AM »
It is unlawful to posses a firearm on the premises of an establishment licensed under the Michigan Liquor Control Act, unless you have a CPL, permission (I recommend you get this in writing), or are otherwise exempt.

750.234d(1)h
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
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Offline paracordkydexcummins

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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2015, 08:08:22 PM »
Wow didn't know that nether did the officers that I have talked to


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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2015, 06:04:44 PM »
Quote from: paracordkydexcummins on February 08, 2015, 08:08:22 PM
Wow didn't know that nether did the officers that I have talked to


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Why doesn't that surprise me?
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2015, 07:45:05 PM »
Quote from: CV67PAT on February 09, 2015, 06:04:44 PM
Why doesn't that surprise me?

Because you've been around a long time, saw a lot of $#|t, and nothing surprises you now!
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2015, 11:26:29 PM »
Ok so without a cpl there are very few places you can actually carry in. its kinda ridiculous


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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2015, 10:41:09 AM »
Quote from: paracordkydexcummins on February 09, 2015, 11:26:29 PM
Ok so without a cpl there are very few places you can actually carry in. its kinda ridiculous


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You sort of have it bass ackwards.
Actually there are a lot of places that a person without a CPL can OC.
There are a few places that are prohibited.
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2015, 10:43:21 AM »
I was going to say that that is a real negative way of looking at this.
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Re: CC in Meijer or similar stores
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2015, 02:57:17 PM »
Quote from: paracordkydexcummins on February 09, 2015, 11:26:29 PM
Ok so without a cpl there are very few places you can actually carry in. its kinda ridiculous


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Read the FAQ.  OC without a CPL requires additional knowledge and attention, but as Pat said, there are lots of places one can carry.
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