OCer SWATted by 7-11 customer

[CitizensHaveRights]

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/10/dean-weingarten/va-open-carrier-swatted/

Shopping while OC in 7-11 results in 'armed robbery' 9-1-1 call.
Fortunately he was not assaulted with a deadly weapon by the six cops who surrounded him.

9-1-1 audio:
https://soundcloud.com/va-gun-rights/911-man-with-a-gun-robbed-7-11-call

[Super Trucker]

Until there is some type of repercussion for this, it will continue.

[CitizensHaveRights]

I'm slightly disappointed in the police response.

1. 9-1-1 dispatcher spent a ridiculous amount of time making the caller look up the address to the store instead of sending a unit or two to the "7-11 at the corner of X and Y to investigate a possible robbery, caller was not a store employee".

2. Their first concern should have been for the alleged hostages or homicide victims in the store, if there really was an armed robbery and store employees couldn't make the phone call.
"We had a report of an armed robbery here, is that correct?"
"no"
"You've been here over an hour and there was no robbery?"
"yes"
"Can you prove that you're a store employee and not one of the robbers?"
"yes"
"Did a guy with a gun come in here with a motorcycle?"
"I didn't see a motorcycle, but 20 minutes ago a guy came in with a pistol on his hip. He bought a pack of cigs and left"
"Thanks. Sorry to bother you"
"no problem, thanks for looking out for me"

3. Having determined that store personnel are safe and no robbery occurred, there's no point in looking for the guy on the motorcycle.

[m.marino]

Whoever made the call should be tried for all the proper charges and once tried and found guilty be publicly hung for sedition (intentionally attempting to usurp the rights of a citizen as stated by the constitution) . That should solve the problem for a good long time.

[Ezerharden]

I agree that the caller should be tried for filing a false police report, but hung? Really? Sedition? Really? Please see this:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sedition

Excerpt:

Crime of creating a revolt, disturbance, or violence against lawful civil authority with the intent to cause its overthrow or destruction. Because it is limited to organizing and encouraging opposition to government rather than directly participating in its overthrow, sedition is regarded as falling one step short of the more serious crime of treason. In the U.S. the display of a certain flag or the advocacy of a particular movement, such as syndicalism, anarchism, or communism, has periodically been declared seditious. More recently, the courts have applied a more stringent test of sedition to ensure that constitutional guarantees regarding freedom of speech are not abridged.

So please tell me how sedition applies to this 911 caller? Was he an idiot? yes. Was he engaged in sedition? not at all.

[linux203]

750.540e Malicious use of service provided by telecommunications service provider.

Sec. 540e.

(1) A person is guilty of a misdemeanor who maliciously uses any service provided by a telecommunications service provider with intent to terrorize, frighten, intimidate, threaten, harass, molest, or annoy another person, or to disturb the peace and quiet of another person by any of the following:
...
(b) Falsely and deliberately reporting by message through the use of a telecommunications service or device that a person has been injured, has suddenly taken ill, has suffered death, or has been the victim of a crime or an accident.
...
(2) A person violating this section may be imprisoned for not more than 6 months or fined not more than $1,000.00, or both. An offense is committed under this section if the communication either originates or terminates in this state and may be prosecuted at the place of origination or termination.

Six months and $1,000.00 is much more appropriate than capitol punishment.

[m.marino]

Depends is the caller acting with intent to support the suppression and revocation of the 2A or to other wise intentionally subvert the law of the land by working with any group directly or indirectly to those causes? If so than Sedition fits as the just crime. As the intent of the action to to intentionally violate law and through illegal actions deny another their legal rights. To do so in an organized fashion with the full intention of subverting constitutional law fits the bill.

Sorry for taking so long to reply was in the middle of a move and the keyboard decided to up and quit at the same time. Blackstone might be a better source for how the founding fathers viewed and defined sedition.

-Michael

[linux203]

So MDA uses swatting against OC and you suggest using the criminal justice system to charge them with sedition. That escalated quickly.

[m.marino]

MDA's intent is to remove the right of the citizen to bear arms and as we all know is funded by those with definitive agendas that are not tolerant of the  freedoms the Constitution of the US enshrined for all citizens. Living in a country where those rights have been removed from the citizen and the government and those who have risen to power are abusing law and said citizens does give me a slightly different view.

My question in return, is do we allow them to use and misuse the legal system and work towards their very real Global Socialist agendas? The law was severe and the definition pretty clear cut on what those who choose to subvert and/or pervert the constitution where. The early history of the US shows more than a few groups fleeing the US to avoid ending their days at the end of a rope. I DO NOT like this having to be the option, but when dealing any type of brown shirt (Socialist, National or Global) or others who wish to remake America for their own uses and consider the proper methods to be inconvenient to their purposes; (Voting, Lobbying and Constitutionally based Law) history has shown that it is pretty much the only option.