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SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« on: January 28, 2015, 08:23:33 AM »
SB 789 has been reintroduced as SB 34. The bill is almost exactly the same, minus the two lines about PPOs.

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-SB-0034
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-SB-0035


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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2015, 09:07:45 PM »
Senate vote tomorrow?

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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 09:07:07 AM »
Yep, it will be voted on today. I think today is the first day of voting, which is why the bill sat for a week on the floor of the Senate.

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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 01:02:47 PM »
Passed the Senate.

PASSED ROLL CALL # 5 YEAS 28 NAYS 9 EXCUSED 1 NOT VOTING 0
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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 06:32:52 AM »
So when are they planning on voting on it again?


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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 07:36:04 AM »
It will be in the House Judiciary Committee today at noon.

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 03:19:53 PM »
Ok thanks going to check on it now. It doesn't show any change.


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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2015, 06:48:18 PM »
It was held over to next week when it is expected to be voted on.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2015, 08:06:38 PM »
And it looks delayed again


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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2015, 08:47:10 PM »
Delayed? It was recommended out of committee today.

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2015, 10:23:53 PM »
I didn't see that oops


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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2015, 09:10:28 AM »
Is there an easy way to see the differences between the introduced bill, S-1 and H-1?
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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2015, 10:35:51 AM »
In short no. You need an application that can show the difference between two PDFs.

So far, we have been unable to find a quality free application to do this.

From what I've been told, the only difference is that H-1 moves the effective date from Oct. 1 to Dec. 1.

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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2015, 11:04:45 AM »
Even then, trying to diff PDF's almost results in failure - and thats mostly a product of how the legislative documents are formatted. I'm not sure how much better a paid product would be able to do.

One thing that I've been tossing around is pushing for legislation that would require legislative documents to be more machine readable. I've also been thinking about doing up a proof of concept XML schema to demonstrate what I'm thinking.
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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2015, 06:25:43 AM »
Are a few programs out there that do an okay job of comparing two pdf documents. problem is most of the ones that do it well are not free (though many have a 30 day trail period to see if it meets the needed use). Costs vary and as the saying goes you get what you pay for, though that does not always hold true in the software world.

If someone wants i can looks up the differences and get them compared.

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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2015, 08:30:50 AM »
I keep hearing stories on Michigan Public Radio stating there are rural Republicans who are against this bill and want to keep the gun boards because the gun boards "know" if people in their counties should be issued CPLs or not.  I find this somewhat ludicrous.  I don't think people sitting on gun boards know everyone who is applying for a new or renewed CPL.  I know Ingham County certainly doesn't.  And why would Republicans be against this bill?  Anyone know the background on this?

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2015, 08:43:38 AM »
MCRGO posted the Republicans that voted no. I'll see if I can yank the pic.

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2015, 08:44:36 AM »
Nevermind. No pic, just text.

From MCRGO on Facebook:

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9 House Democrats joined with most of the House Republicans today in passing SB 34 (CPL Reform). The Democrats voting for the bill listed geographically by the district they represent with county indicated include:

Frank Liberati (Wayne)
Paul Clemente (Wayne)
George Darany (Wayne)
Robert Kosowski (Wayne)
Bill LaVoy (Monroe & Wayne)
John Chirkun (Macomb)
Henry Yanez (Macomb)
Derek Miller (Macomb)
Tim Greimel (Oakland)
Marilyn Lane (Macomb)
Phil Phelps (Genesee)
Charles Smiley (Genesee)
Gretchen Driskell (Washtenaw)
David Rutledge (Washtenaw)
Tom Cochran (Ingham)
Brandon Dillon (Kent)
Charles Brunner (Bay)
John Kivela (Alger, Luce, Marquette, Schoolcraft)
Scott Dianda (Baraga, Gogebic, Houghton, Iron, Keweenaw, Marquette, Ontonagon)

Only 6 Republicans ended up voting against the bill. Listed geographically by the district they represent with county indicated they include:

Lauwyers (St. Clair)
Bizon (Calhoun)
Kelly (Saginaw)
Franz (Benzie, Leelanau, Manistee, Mason)
Inman (Grand Traverse)
Potvin (Mecosta, Osceola, Wexford)

*Apologies in advance for errors/omissions on this list. I took it off a photo taken of the voting board at the time of the vote. Credit to Dakota Moore of the NRA-ILA for taking the photo.

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Re: SB 34/35 - CPL Reform (new SB 789/790)
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2015, 11:47:05 AM »
MCRGO posted the Republicans that voted no. I'll see if I can yank the pic.

Good info to have, I'll do whatever I can to SUPPORT  those that voted NO.

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2015, 12:20:28 PM »

I keep hearing stories on Michigan Public Radio stating there are rural Republicans who are against this bill and want to keep the gun boards because the gun boards "know" if people in their counties should be issued CPLs or not.  I find this somewhat ludicrous.  I don't think people sitting on gun boards know everyone who is applying for a new or renewed CPL.  I know Ingham County certainly doesn't.  And why would Republicans be against this bill?  Anyone know the background on this?
I have heard of county's refusing licenses for all type of stuff that doesn't make sense like guys that grew up in messed up situations yet but are held up to what their family was yet they have moved on and don't associate with those people. I think it sucks for those guys that try move on and make a good life yet they get kick down all the time.


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