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Offline lil_freak_66

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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar - Asked to Leave
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2010, 02:37:43 PM »
Me and TheQ met up at this location again after corporate discussed with its managers the legality of citizens bearing arms,and the corporate policy regarding customers carrying inside the resturaunt.

No issues whatsoever.
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar - Asked to Leave
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2010, 03:48:27 PM »
Nevermind

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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar - Asked to Leave
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2010, 11:54:32 PM »
I hope you have your CPL "TheQ". Having a firearm in the parking lot of any establishment that has a license for the sale of alcohol without having a CPL is a "no no". Every Meijer I have been to has said license. Just thought you should know.

Mine was locked and stowed in the trunk while we ate.

However, I thought the law only pertained to the enclosed areas of the property?

I refer to this post

MCL 750.234d makes no mention of carry or possession method.

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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar - Asked to Leave
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2010, 11:33:30 AM »
What we found is part of the liquor law. And no a licence holder cannot be fined for something going on in his parking lot or the rest of his property. I think you are referring to open containers? That would be on the person who opened it if it is outside the licensed premises which is the building or fenced area (at a festival) If it is a bar then of course open containers are allowed inside. But if you walk outside with it then YOU are drinking in public. You will be charged.

The issue is would the liquor law definition of premises hold up in court as it is not specified the same way in the firearms code.

OT:
I wasn't being specific to just open containers, I was referring to fights, and "other illeagal activity" as well. If a fight breaks out in the parking lot of a bar, even after the bar is closed, the LCC can fine the bar for violations. I come from a family full of Bar and Tavern owners and I have seen and heard some messed up Sh!* that the LCC has done and gotten away with. I do not know this part to be fact, but My cousin (who is a Tavern owner in Tuscola Co.) told me about a year ago that if the 911 center recieved 3 complaints within 1 years time the LCC would cite them and the 4th would be a 1 week closer of the Tavern. 5th would be two weeks, and the 6th would be 1 month and the owner spend 48 hours in jail. I don't know that this is fact but I do know that after he got a warning about the fights in his parking lot, he hired security on Fri and Sat. night to try to calm things down for a while.
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar - Asked to Leave
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2010, 11:57:17 AM »
Cite the law that allows this. I have read the entire liquor law and see no where that this is codified.
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar - Asked to Leave
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2010, 01:36:55 AM »
Cite the law that allows this. I have read the entire liquor law and see no where that this is codified.

I THINK it has to do with the concept of "dram shop", where if you are person who serves alcohol and a person who imbibes at your house, business, etc. and causes problems elsewhere, you are in some sense responsible.

The MLCC does say that premises is the "enclosed area"... it's been posted on here before...
"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. U.S. 230 F 486 at 489

"Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them." Miranda v. Ariz., 384 U.S. 436 at 491 (1966).

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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2010, 01:27:15 AM »
Me and TheQ went to this taco bell again,no issues.
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2010, 09:24:02 AM »
http://michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10947--,00.html

 Pistol Free Areas
 
Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:

 

Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian
 
Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.
 
Sports arena or stadium
 
A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises
 
Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more
 
A hospital
 
A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university
 
A Casino


"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above.



A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CCW permit holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The following penalties may also be imposed:


First offense:  State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CCW permit suspended 6 months
Second offense:  90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CCW permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses:  4-year felony, $5000 fine, CCW permit revoked

Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy." 

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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar - Asked to Leave
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2010, 03:36:41 PM »
...For next time ask to speak with that manager... I would not let counter help run me off that easy...

Well, to each their own. For me, I might seek to go higher in the ladder also but definitely situation dependant. I guess I see any employee of a company as an agent of the owner and thereby empowered to enforce private property rights. I think the actions in this encounter set good precedent.
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2010, 01:31:12 AM »
I was there again today,no issues...other than the cheap mexican food tearing my stomach apart now!
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2010, 05:42:13 AM »
I was there again today,no issues...other than the cheap mexican food tearing my stomach apart now!
I miss Taco Bell.  I'm supposed to stay away from that stuff, but I think, just one little meal won't kill me. :)  Of course, when my doctor said "moderation" I think he didn't know about the XXL Chalupa. ;)
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2010, 12:50:01 PM »
i love that thing.
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2010, 10:46:18 AM »
i love that thing.
I'd like it better if it looked like the one in the ad. :)
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2010, 06:01:48 PM »
wanna set up a mini meet there sometime in a week or so? we could probably get TheQ and fiancee,dukenukem,venator and whomever else around to go...
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2010, 08:39:32 AM »
wanna set up a mini meet there sometime in a week or so? we could probably get TheQ and fiancee,dukenukem,venator and whomever else around to go...
On or after the 17th would work for me.
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2010, 09:46:49 PM »
18th 3pm?gives time for schedules to be made and/or changed..
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Re: Lansing Taco Bell Store 1646 on S. Cedar
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2010, 09:59:19 PM »
18th 3pm?gives time for schedules to be made and/or changed..
Works for me.
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