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SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« on: February 03, 2015, 11:52:59 AM »
Weapons; other; exemption for retired federal law enforcement officers to carry weapon in weapon-free zones; provide for. Amends secs. 1 & 5o of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.421 & 28.425o).

Sponsor: Rick Jones

Cosponsors: Jack Brandenburg, David B. Robertson, Jim Marleau, Ken Horn, Marty Knollenberg, Wayne A. Schmidt, Dale Zorn, Darwin L. Booher, Goeff Hansen, Phil Pavlov, Mike Nofs, John Proos

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-SB-0053

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SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2015, 11:53:24 AM »
MOC is calling on its members to oppose SB 53 TODAY.

http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=710075bba75b914b805e1861a&id=c4bc0f6501
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 02:02:14 PM »
Does anyone here know the reason for the retired LEO PFZ exemption?  The NRA originally pushed this as a way to eventually get non-LEO PFZ exemption for everyone, a camel's nose under the tent, so to speak.  Their thought was that since retired LEOs are just like everyone else, eventually they'd get PFZs eliminated for everyone.  At least that was their reasoning, but it hasn't worked out.

I know a guy who was on the steering committee that came up with this idea years ago.

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 04:18:55 PM »
UPDATE: Two people, including Jason Gillman Jr. for MOC, testified against SB 53 while none testified in support. The committee adjourned without voting on SB 53, which seemed unexpected. At one point, Senator Jones, the bill's sponsor and committee chair, seemed a bit upset.

This means that everyone needs to keep pressuring the committee to kill the bill.

Keep calling. Keep writing.

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 07:53:34 PM »
A recording (albeit slightly jankity) of my testimony, as well as that of Dr. Keith Rosol.

http://cdn.media.miopencarry.org/audio/SB53%20of%202015%20Opposition%20Testimony.mp3
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 06:29:56 AM »
I am highly opposed to special laws for special people.
Since Jones, my ex-sheriff, is a 'super citizen' himself, it's not surprising to me.

I think I'll give him a call and ask him why he hates the 14th Amendment so much, and why his pledge to uphold the Constitution is worthless.
"A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed "  - Who has a right to keep and eat food, The People or A Well Balanced Breakfast?

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 07:04:05 AM »
I am highly opposed to special laws for special people.
Since Jones, my ex-sheriff, is a 'super citizen' himself, it's not surprising to me.

I think I'll give him a call and ask him why he hates the 14th Amendment so much, and why his pledge to uphold the Constitution is worthless.

You're in Eaton County, too, eh?
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 07:26:23 AM »
Yup.
I've met Rick. Not a bad guy as politicians go, but he thinks like a cop.
The sort of cop that thinks it's OK to call the rest of us civilians.
"A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed "  - Who has a right to keep and eat food, The People or A Well Balanced Breakfast?

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 01:02:42 PM »
Yup.
I've met Rick. Not a bad guy as politicians go, but he thinks like a cop.
The sort of cop that thinks it's OK to call the rest of us civilians.

What part of Eaton County (if you don't mind me asking).

I live in the Jacaranda subdivision off of Canal, just south of Lansing Rd.
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 07:57:32 PM »
Let's start with the church PFZ. The greatest single threat our country faces hates all other religions.

Oh and knock out the bar PFZ. There are other statutory restrictions on drinking and carrying. That one never made sense to me.
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace. Luke 11:21

Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."  Luke 22:36

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2015, 08:45:36 PM »
Let's start with the church PFZ. The greatest single threat our country faces hates all other religions.

Oh and knock out the bar PFZ. There are other statutory restrictions on drinking and carrying. That one never made sense to me.
Talked to a guy today today that absolutely insisted that no carry should ever be allowed in a bar.  people that go to bars are only interested in getting drunk and starting fights... {sigh}.  Funny thing, a 3rd person standing there mostly being quiet I know to be a recovering alcoholic, several years sober.  I asked him if he ever goes to a bar to eat, and he said he does.  I ask him if he gets into bar fights, and he doesn't.  Didn't sway the opinion.

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2015, 09:20:14 PM »
I like the church PFZ elimination idea, linux.

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 09:45:43 PM »
What part of Eaton County (if you don't mind me asking).

I live in the Jacaranda subdivision off of Canal, just south of Lansing Rd.

Brookfield twp, a mile from Calhoun county.
I drive past you on I-69 every morning on my way to Dewitt.
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2015, 08:31:57 AM »
Brookfield twp, a mile from Calhoun county.
I drive past you on I-69 every morning on my way to Dewitt.

Well you certainly have a bit more of a commute to work than I do.

3.8 Miles from my front door to the front door at Liquid Web.
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2015, 10:46:42 AM »

Brookfield twp, a mile from Calhoun county.
I drive past you on I-69 every morning on my way to Dewitt.

You literally drive past the Green building I work in that is visible from I-69 just north of the Lansing Rd. exit.
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2015, 02:01:43 PM »
While SB 53 was not on any of the formal notices that were sent out, yesterday the Senate Judiciary Chairman and SB 53's sponsor, Rick Jones, brought up SB 53 for a vote. The bill was recommended unanimously despite the public receiving no prior notice.

I was also in Jones's office less than an hour before the committee meeting and we talked about SB 53. He mentioned it would come up again, but said nothing about it coming up in meeting that day.

As the official notice contained no mention of SB 53, and Senator Jones made no mention of SB 53, no alert was sent out to call the committee members.

This smells very bad.

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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2015, 07:53:03 PM »
I like the church PFZ elimination idea, linux.

But...but..the only reason people go to churches is to get drunk and start fights...wait, what?
Why does the church PFZ exist in the first place? Religious folk are too untrustworthy?
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2015, 11:17:13 AM »
I finally received a copy of the video for the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing from February 3rd. You can view it here:

Senator Rick Jones commented that an announcement was made that SB 53 would be voted on the following week. As you can see in the video, this is not true.

There was no public announcement what so ever that SB 53 would receive a vote on February 10th. Regardless of what you think about SB 53, the actions of the Senate Judiciary Committee and Senator Jones are an affront to transparency.

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2015, 10:42:58 PM »
Passed Senate, House, concurred, and ordered enrolled.

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-SB-0053
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2015, 11:30:20 AM »
Couple Republicans in the house who voted against:

http://michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=709778
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Re: SB 53 - Retired Law Enforcement Officer PFZ Exemption
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2015, 01:11:42 AM »
Courser voted for it :(
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2015, 08:59:50 AM »
Eaton County here.
My Senator (Jones) wrote it.
My Representative (Barrett) voted for it.
My ex-rep (Abed) probably would have voted for it.
"A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed "  - Who has a right to keep and eat food, The People or A Well Balanced Breakfast?