OC in Courthouse

[Divegeek]

I'm thinking that this would be a no go situation, but can a person with a CPL OC in Courthouse? I'm thinking that since courthouses became a CEZ because of a declaration from the MI supreme court that that would trump the normal CEZ OC situation.

[Scandiacus]

No carry of any kind in a courthouse.  Courthouses were never declared PFZs by the legislature but instead fall under judicial authority, and therefore the "normal CEZ OC situation" would never have applied anyway.  Rather, the Michigan Supreme Court has declared that weapons are not permitted in any space used for court business which, I assume, extends to a courthouse as a whole, and their word on the subject is final.

From the MSP:

"Effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy.""

[linux203]

No carry of any kind in a courthouse.  Courthouses were never declared PFZs by the legislature but instead fall under judicial authority, and therefore the "normal CEZ OC situation" would never have applied anyway.  Rather, the Michigan Supreme Court has declared that weapons are not permitted in any space used for court business which, I assume, extends to a courthouse as a whole, and their word on the subject is final.

From the MSP:

"Effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy.""

QFT...

There has been much debate about whether this applies to non-court offices in a courthouse.  (i.e. County Clerk office in courthouse)  AFAIK, there has been no court cases challenging this.  Unless you desire to become a test case, the above applies to inside the four walls of a building containing a court.

IANAL, but it is my understanding that open or concealed carry, with a valid CPL, would be "Contempt of Court" because it is not legislated statute.  Maximum penalty would be $7,500 and 93 days in jail, at a judge's discretion.  (Without a CPL is a violation of MCL 750.234d)

[TucTom]

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy.""[/i]

It can happen, just need the right person in charge.

And I thought I heard or read there is a county court that does allow. But I can't say for sure.

[gryphon]

I've read that there is one judge in Michigan that allows this, forget who or where.

[CitizensHaveRights]

I haven't voted to re-elect a single black robed douchebag since 2001, and won't until one of them moves to remove the cattle chutes from my county building.

Can you imagine the expense we've endured over the past 14 years, not to mention the unwarranted searches and personal inconveniences? Compare the cost of the screening equipment, and having three senior deputies running each checkpoint full time for the past 14 years, with the costs caused by armed citizens in the 14 years prior to that, and I'm pretty sure we'd find that the 'solution' is far worse than the 'problem'.

[autosurgeon]

Hillsdale county allows carry everywhere but the actual courtrooms. They also provide secure lockers I believe

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