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#1Gunner:
I cannot believe how many people carry a CPL and a firearm that do not understand Michigan compiled laws specifically MCL 28.425f. I purposely asked 20 random CPL Holders what the disclosure law was and what you have to disclose to an officer if you are carrying in a vehicle when "stopped" and have a CPL. Out of 19 of people, only one person got it right. This all stemmed from an incident where I was almost arrested and charged with Failure to disclose for telling the officer I had a gun but failing to say I had a CPL (know that he didn't ask if I had one nor did he request to see my CPL). When asked, 19 out of 20 people said that not only do you have to disclose that you have a gun but you MUST ALSO immediately (without being asked by the cop) disclose that you have a CPL which is totally incorrect.

So what do you think the law is, WAIT... Don't go read 28.425f just answer the question and be honest with yourself. Although I agree that it is probably wise to say you have both it isn't required by LAW so please do not say "to avoid all of that just hand them your CPL & disclose" those are not valid answers to what the law states but rather opinions. An equal number of officers also do not know what 28.425f actually states obviously since my gun was almost seized and confiscated. Since he couldn't get me on that after holding me there for an hour he told me I changed multiple lanes with no signal and wrote me a ticket for not signaling. What a crock... This road pirate was completely lying and only did this because I was carrying a gun in plain view PERIOD. Its so sad what LEO has become.. This officer should be ashamed of himself.

gryphon:
You only have to notify that you have a pistol.  You do not have to say you have a CPL, but you are required to carry it and provide it if asked for it.  So easy a caveman could do it.

CitizensHaveRights:

--- Quote from: #1Gunner on July 27, 2015, 02:25:47 PM ---Its so sad what LEO has become..

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Not become, always has been.
Like the time in 1987 I got written up as 66 in a 55 zone for flipping off a thug while driving 52mph.
Funny story behind that. In 1986 I met this evil thug (R.I.P.), probably the worst one, aside from the undersheriff, that ECSD had at the time. From that day forward, I rolled down my window and shoved my middle finger out at arm's length every time I saw an Eaton County deputy. This went on uneventfully for 6-7 months, until the day I did it to the original thug, who pulled me over, threatened me, and wrote 3 bogus tickets. The rest of them knew I was flipping their uniform off, not them personally. But this guy apparently took everything personally, as I was driving a car he wouldn't recognize as mine when he chased me down for showing him a finger.

My actions, and their general lack of reaction, showed that the majority of our deputies could not be easily baited into blatantly illegal acts, and it's entirely possible that only one of them was that kind of douchebag. They refused to accept my report against him, but three years later it got bad enough that they had to push him into resigning 'with a clean record'. I never found out what he did or to whom that cost him his job.


--- Quote ---This officer should be ashamed of himself.

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Indeed. Most cops are pretty thick skinned, but a minority of thugs just have to win every argument, and perjury is a small price for them to pay for saving face when a taxpayer knows the law better than they do.
I like to think that the numbers of these thugs hasn't markedly increased in recent years, and that the only change is that now we're much more likely to have video proof of their actions.

#1Gunner:
Wow, thanks for the reply. Its a shame because all I was guilty of is carrying a gun. That's it I wasn't rude at all period.

#1Gunner:

--- Quote from: CitizensHaveRights on July 27, 2015, 03:18:11 PM ---Not become, always has been.
Like the time in 1987 I got written up as 66 in a 55 zone for flipping off a thug while driving 52mph.
Funny story behind that. In 1986 I met this evil thug (R.I.P.), probably the worst one, aside from the undersheriff, that ECSD had at the time. From that day forward, I rolled down my window and shoved my middle finger out at arm's length every time I saw an Eaton County deputy. This went on uneventfully for 6-7 months, until the day I did it to the original thug, who pulled me over, threatened me, and wrote 3 bogus tickets. The rest of them knew I was flipping their uniform off, not them personally. But this guy apparently took everything personally, as I was driving a car he wouldn't recognize as mine when he chased me down for showing him a finger.

My actions, and their general lack of reaction, showed that the majority of our deputies could not be easily baited into blatantly illegal acts, and it's entirely possible that only one of them was that kind of douchebag. They refused to accept my report against him, but three years later it got bad enough that they had to push him into resigning 'with a clean record'. I never found out what he did or to whom that cost him his job.

Indeed. Most cops are pretty thick skinned, but a minority of thugs just have to win every argument, and perjury is a small price for them to pay for saving face when a taxpayer knows the law better than they do.
I like to think that the numbers of these thugs hasn't markedly increased in recent years, and that the only change is that now we're much more likely to have video proof of their actions.

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Haha I sure do miss those commercials

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