A discussion about gun ownership

[part deux]

shall not be infringed

[gryphon]

shall not be infringed

That's crazy talk!

[part deux]

That's crazy talk!

SHHHH, It's our secret.  If it gets out, troll will call for psych exams next

[thamm]

Me gryphon, I asked for an actual example, not an opinion. It is VERY open to debate as to whether the USA is actually safer and less volatile. The trend according to CDC data is that gun deaths will surpass traffic deaths in 2015 and that trend is expected to continue in the coming years.

You keep saying that gun deaths will surpass traffic deaths, so guns need tighter control. This implies that people are shooting each other at an alarming rate. However, suicides make up about 2/3 of all firearm deaths. I think it's disingenuous to count those as deaths due to "gun violence" when calling for tighter control on guns.

[gryphon]

Even Panama gets it.

As Panama deals with increases in crime rates and rising gang activity, the government is set to lift the ban on firearm imports, in an effort to promote personal safety.

Public Safety Minister Rodolfo Aguilera said the country will follow in the footsteps of the United States and Switzerland, where the right to bear arms is believed to lead to fewer homicides.

“Everything seems to indicate that there is no direct correlation in the aphorism that says more guns mean more crime,” said Aguilera, who explained that relaxed gun laws have allowed the United States to reduce the homicide rate over the last 20 years.

http://panampost.com/panam-staff/2015/08/05/panama-lifts-ban-on-gun-imports-amid-rising-crime-wave/

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Australians are getting it, as they were a free country and seeing huge increases in violent crime since the ban on guns.

Great Britain is going full on stupid calling for a ban on knives.

Israel got it when they armed their school teachers and eliminated school shootings.  Now Netanyahu is calling for all Israelis to be armed.

But, none of this fits the agenda of our resident troll.

[TucTom]

Mr freediver with you being former law enforcement, how do you propose we address the appearance of increased instances of negligent discharge and unjustified shootings by people in the law enforcement community? I am curious if you have thought about this with the importance of the law enforcement community leading the way as a positive gun carrying group.

[freediver]

Mr Tuctom: you make a very important point. Lots of law enforcement people have bemoaned the lack of accountability in law enforcement members, that somehow they are above the law and need not be held accountable. I have a different attitude; that LEOs should be head and shoulders above the rest of the populace in safety, competency, and professionalism with firearms. Certainly something we can all work on. I would like to see both law enforcement and groups like this one and the NRA take the lead on this issue. Rather than exist in denial and offer BS arguments and outright lies, I would like US to take the lead and foster changes that actually work in making our streets and our culture safer. Continually saying "no" and telling our fellow citizens how screwed up they are is not a recipe for long-term success. Apparently I am in the minority with this view.

As far as the rest of the posts, I apologize for not answering. But work, travel, and grandchildren beckon this week. I'll do my best to stay in the conversation.

[TucTom]

Mr freediver, you just said "WE" should take the lead. Why should or how can "we" take the lead in reducing negligent discharges and unjustified shootings as far as law enforcement is concerned. "WE" need to have law enforcement be held accountable and at a higher standard don't we?

Oh, btw I am also former military (infantry & military police) and have worked with alongside federal agencies in different capacities in the past.

[TheQ]

Having served in the military and worked in law enforcement is not a magic potion to reach a freedom loving Pro gun state.

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[Theraven536]

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[freediver]

As long as we're adding humor:

[part deux]

Bill of Rights mean anything to you?

[freediver]

Yep.

As I said, it's humor. If you think it's funny, laugh. If you don't, don't get your panties in a bunch over it.

[Langenc]

If it quacks like a duck...  It must be troll time.

Yes, he's a frickin idiot who is drinking the liberal media koolaid.

WE MUST DO SOMETHING.

35,000 people die in car accidents

More people are killed in swimming pools than are murdered by firearms.

So, is it that people die, or the gun that's an issue?

Govt, present two US Senators, Pres and VP all approve of the KILLING of 3500 Unborn every day but think that some crminals killing is bad as pointed out in previous posts   Who are the real criminals.

Yea. I know they aint people and if you believe that then you don't belong here.. just don't mess w/ em for a few months and they will be people.

[CitizensHaveRights]

Mark Carman and Rick Jones are why you don't elect 'retired' cops to legislative positions.

[CitizensHaveRights]

Thoughts, anyone?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/10/robert-farago/anti-gun-rights-fudds-are-breaking-out-all-over/

Dustin Doyle says:
October 24, 2015 at 20:11

Sounds more like what a lefty pretending to be a conservative would say, likely fake.

rc says:
October 24, 2015 at 20:39

Nothing but pure false-flag agit-prop (old-school soviet style, no less). It’s their stock and trade. I believe this FUDD is as real as I do the easter bunny (actually, the easter bunny is more real than this dude…I have pics of the easter baskets to prove it!)

Omer Baker says:
October 24, 2015 at 21:31

Totally fake.

juliesa says:
October 24, 2015 at 23:13

Oh yeah, totally fraudulent.

Don’t you know the first place a reformed Evangelical Christian Republican gunowner turns to is moveon.org.

Lefty propaganda is full of Concerned Christian Republicans who’ve only just now seen the light.

James in Florida says:
October 24, 2015 at 20:23

Too many political buzz words and phrases to have any substance built on facts or based in reality.
This guy just whips out bs line after bs line.
You just need a patriotic band sound track to sell it big with cheerleading pom pom waiving and sparklers and babies and matching sweater wearing soccer moms.
And father obama kissing and hugging and saving babies.
I’m tearing up thinking about it now….oh wait…that’s just the onions cooking on the grill .
Thanks for the chuckle.

Another Robert says:
October 24, 2015 at 20:26

I’m betting “Mark Carman” is a “composite character”. And Moveon.org, as far as I can tell, is yesteryear’s news. Seems like all the down and out lefty groups have convinced themselves that “gun control” is the best bandwagon to jump on right now to try to regain some relevance (not to mention money). I don’t really see them as a threat.


October 24, 2015 at 20:48

The fat fcuk Mark Carman is a real guy, an ex-cop and a producer of Christian music. And a Fudd.

http://www.13newsnow.com/story/news/local/making-your-mark/2015/02/06/making-your-mark-from-police-officer-to-grammy-nominee/22998017/

[freediver]

Mr Citizens have rights: What you posted was a lot of innuendo and name calling, but nothing factual. We can't just respond to alternative opinions by calling them names or telling them they're brainwashed, soviet-style. There are a lot of people out there who are intelligent, not brainwashed by some murky, left-wing, socialist conspiracy, and care very deeply about their country. They see gun violence as a problem and offer some ways to address the issue.

If you want to make headway in this discussion, serve up accurate unbiased facts. Serve up arguments that are not one-sided or are derived from some survivalist fantasy world or outright lies. Engaging in personal attacks on a speaker doesn't further the argument. It just means you have nothing substantive to say.

[TheQ]

Rick Jones is a piece of $#|t, this much is true.

[CitizensHaveRights]

Mr Citizens have rights: What you posted was a lot of innuendo and name calling, but nothing factual...
If you want to make headway in this discussion, serve up accurate unbiased facts.

WTF? You started this topic by serving up a video of Mark Carman's opinions.
I responded with a sample of civil rights minded individuals' reactions to / opinions of Mark Carman, and provided a link to the source of those comments.
What 'facts' do you feel entitled to demand from me?