The Case Against SB 442

[bigt8261]

Here are some of the reasons why SB 442 is a dangerous sloppy mess.

http://www.miopencarry.org/news/2015/10/Case-Against-SB442-A-Dangerous-Sloppy-Mess

[CitizensHaveRights]

MCRGO - What happens when you put politicians on the board of a formerly pro-gun organization.

[CitizensHaveRights]

One gets the impression that author Lindsay Knake doesn't like guns.
Superintendent intends to testify against guns in schools!
Superintendent testified against guns in schools, but Senators didn't listen!

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/10/ann_arbor_superintendent_to_te.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/10/ann_arbor_schools_chief_asks_l.html

[CitizensHaveRights]

Lindsay Knake is the K-12 education reporter for The Ann Arbor News.

Lindsay Knake still doesn't like guns.

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/10/ann_arbor_school_board_preside_2.html#incart_river_home

[CitizensHaveRights]

Mike Green came right out and said it, F@ck the OCers:

Green said, “We as gun owners have every right in the world to carry in gun-free zones. Are we going to give that up? We’re trying to step back and say, ‘We’ll cover them up, if you guys are willing.'”



http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/29/campus-carry-bills-move-florida-michigan/

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/10/13/concealed-carry-bills-spark-war-words-mich-senate/73889076/

[bigt8261]

Green is working on "fixing" the bills. Meanwhile, an alternative is brewing.

[gryphon]

So a member of the legislature who wrote the current law states, “have to accept that under the U.S. Constitution, law-abiding citizens with CPLs now have the right to carry guns into schools, as long as they are not concealed,” yet a judge told the AAPS that the legislature is wrong about their own laws.

Also interesting is that the Clio school superintendent is for CC in schools and supports the bill.

[gryphon]

Green said his bill would allow concealed carry in churches, and then only if the pastor or church board consents to it.  Wait, isn't that the law now?

[part deux]

When I personally spoke to Green at Cabela's last year, his anti OC position is blatantly apparent.  Combine that with MI NRA rep, and you have two of the more powerful 2A people in the state adamant that OC is wrong, and you end up with the proposed CF legislation.

[bigt8261]

Green was asked in committee by the Chairman (Jones) if it was correct that his bill would not affect churches. Green indicated that was correct, it would not affect churches. Both 442 and 561 DO affect churches. Green doesn't know what he's talking about.

[bigt8261]

When I personally spoke to Green at Cabela's last year, his anti OC position is blatantly apparent.  Combine that with MI NRA rep, and you have two of the more powerful 2A people in the state adamant that OC is wrong, and you end up with the proposed CF legislation.

The NRA is silent on Green's bill and it is killing Green's legislation. Many NRA board members, especially one Michigan local in particular, are anti-OC, but the NRA-ILA has been very friendly with us.

[CitizensHaveRights]

Green doesn't know what he's talking about.

Which is why he would introduce a bill that's not only poor for gun owners, but severely poorly written.

[Langenc]

The NRA is silent on Green's bill and it is killing Green's legislation. Many NRA board members, especially one Michigan local in particular, are anti-OC, but the NRA-ILA has been very friendly with us.

Maybe NRA-ILA is friendly is they like our $$$$.

[bigt8261]

Maybe NRA-ILA is friendly is they like our $$$$.

MOC does not give money to the NRA-ILA. Nothing against them, we just don't do that sort of thing.

[Langenc]

When I personally spoke to Green at Cabela's last year, his anti OC position is blatantly apparent.  Combine that with MI NRA rep, and you have two of the more powerful 2A people in the state adamant that OC is wrong, and you end up with the proposed CF legislation.

Doesn't the MI constitution say we are all allowed to defend ourselves and others??

I don't think it says defensive weapon has to be concealed....and they swore to uphold it?? and the citizens keep reelecting em. Somewhat different but look at Carl--5x the unions elected him and then his replacement, besides Debbie.