Mr gryphon: I see that, as usual, you decide that name-calling is preferable to reasoned-arguments.
Apparently you need to take a reading comprehension class. Even a third grader can see that every single post I have made to you is a reasoned argument. I posted with facts from a U.S. Department of Justice National Survey. I posted with facts about firearms carry today vs. ten years ago. I posted with facts countering your faulty argument, or at least I can point you to the lengthy rebuttal of your precious criticism of Kleck (but it doesn't matter, read the U.S. DoJ).
I am not stupid, brainwashed, naive, mis-guided, nor am I some sort of "problem" as mr ultra states.
Yes, you are. You exhibit little thought and nigh zero reasoned process.
I am an intelligent gun owner with years of training and experience who sees things differently than you do. If you would like to change my mind
I don't care if I change your mind or not. I do care to counter your lies and misperceptions. Whether you agree with them or not is immaterial. I'm pretty sure you are a lost cause because you already have shown a pattern of refusing to look at valid data. So go ahead and try to get your gun-control agenda passed in Michigan and the US. I will be against you. Nothing, I repeat nothing that you have proposed is acceptable to me. I think gun laws are too strict. You think they are too lax. We are at an impasse.
offer a fact-based well reasoned argument.
You could try reading with comprehension for a change. I have. Repeatedly. You, on the other hand, have come with hand-wringing crying that "we have got to something." No, we don't.
If I can track down the source of my friend's FBI statistics, I will post it here.
If they are actual FBI statistics you can post them here, and you should be able to track them down in less than one hour. Ten minutes, tops. But take as long as you need. You will fail.
As far as the "sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves" analogy, it is not BS. I learned about this in a class taught by law enforcement professionals with years of experience.
LOL! Yeah, no sh*t. Newsflash--they're wrong. Have you never had an original thought yourself? Have you never had someone try to teach you something and you say, "Hey, that's not right." I'm an engineer. I live on facts. I went though some "professional instruction" in university, particularly sociology. I told a few profs they were wrong. Notice this was more than once. I backed it up.
I'll take their word over yours any day of the week.
You will? LOL! Not only are you a flippin' moron, but your opinion as well as that of LTC Grossman and your instructors can get you in legal trouble fast.