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Weapons; licensing; certain concealed pistol license fees; allow county clerks to waive for certain individuals and exempt those individuals from required training. Amends secs. 5b & 5l of 1927 PA 372 (MCL 28.425b & 28.425l).

Sponsor: Scott Dianda

Co-sponsors: Leslie Love, George Darany, Gary Glenn, John Chirkun, Ed McBroom

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-HB-5045
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Re: HB 5045: Waive CPL fees and training requirement for certain individuals
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 06:44:57 PM »
So not only are we creating special classes of individuals from CPFZs, we are also waiving fees and training requirements.  SMH. 

I have the utmost respect for those who have made great personal sacrifices to serve in our nations military.  However, most military personnel are trained in the use of a rifle, not a handgun.  A non-veteran cannot use a rifle in a CPL course and meet the requirements of MCL 28.425j. 

More double standards.  More 1st rate individuals.
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace. Luke 11:21

Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."  Luke 22:36

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Re: HB 5045: Waive CPL fees and training requirement for certain individuals
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2015, 07:37:31 AM »
We need to hijack these 'only ones' bills. Can they be amended on the floor like in Washington DC?
It would be worth it just to watch Rick Jones have a stroke in the Senate when he realizes there are bills being considered that would treat his employers like he wants to be treated himself.

If we could waive fees and training for all, I wonder how long it would take before they decided processing permits for free was too much work just to get fingerprints of law abiding citizens, and get rid of the permits altogether?

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Re: HB 5045: Waive CPL fees and training requirement for certain individuals
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2015, 08:48:10 AM »
Each bill has 4-5 opportunities to be officially amended. In each committee, on the floor of each chamber, and in a conference between the two chambers if one is needed.

I expect this bill to be DOA. It will greatly piss off gun owners and it's sponsored by a Dem. The Republicans are not likely to let a Dem get credit for this.

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Re: HB 5045: Waive CPL fees and training requirement for certain individuals
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2015, 09:10:45 AM »

Each bill has 4-5 opportunities to be officially amended. In each committee, on the floor of each chamber, and in a conference between the two chambers if one is needed.

I expect this bill to be DOA. It will greatly piss off gun owners and it's sponsored by a Dem. The Republicans are not likely to let a Dem get credit for this.

But watch Jones introduce something suspiciously similar.
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Re: HB 5045: Waive CPL fees and training requirement for certain individuals
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 03:58:18 PM »
Jones does realize with Constitutional Carry he would be included right? Seems like the guy is bending over to give himself special rights; instead he should be passing laws for ALL Citizens... probably too simple of an idea for him to understand.

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Re: HB 5045: Waive CPL fees and training requirement for certain individuals
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 05:02:51 PM »

Jones does realize with Constitutional Carry he would be included right? Seems like the guy is bending over to give himself special rights; instead he should be passing laws for ALL Citizens... probably too simple of an idea for him to understand.

Jones is an ex-cop....
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Re: HB 5045: Waive CPL fees and training requirement for certain individuals
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2015, 05:26:12 PM »
That’s my point this guy wants a “special” right because of his chosen profession; if he simply supported the rights of ALL citizens in ALL professions to carry without a permit, he would get the rights he wants; instead he’s trying to pass laws that only aide the “group” he falls into.

The guy must hate firefighters, EMTs, nurses, teachers, factory workers, and everyone else who makes this state work.