Rally at Arts Beats And Eats

[Small_Arms_Collector]

In light of Royal Oaks flagrant violation of the state preemption law, would anyone want to do a mass carry event at Arts Beats And Eats?  I don't normally OC, but I'd be willing to prove a point to Royal Oak.  I'd rather not do it alone though, both for the fact that I've never actually OC'ed before, but also more importantly because there's safety in numbers in case Royal Oak tries any shenanigans.  They may hassle 1 person but 10?, 15?, 20?, 25?, 50?, 100?  Lets show them that the preemption law means something, and so does the Constitution, both Federal, and State.  Anyone interested?

[eVo]

<raises hand> I'm game. only needs to be on Saturday threw Monday for me.

[BTAvery]

Im in if more people join in for it.

[army74]

I think alot of us are going to go Ive been OCing for about 4 or 5 months now.

[ocdetroit]

Count me in also. Carry O.

[wardog6t]

This Arts, Beats and Eats is really starting to piss me off! I watched some of the news video. I really hope a lot of OC'ers can find the time to turn out for this event. Dependant on my work schedule I am trying to make the event regardless of what there attorney opinion is. This is ridiculous.

[TaxWhat]

This Arts, Beats and Eats is really starting to piss me off! I watched some of the news video. I really hope a lot of OC'ers can find the time to turn out for this event. Dependant on my work schedule I am trying to make the event regardless of what there attorney opinion is. This is ridiculous.

         How  does City  turn open Streets and sidewalk into TOLL entrances

[autosurgeon]

The same way many festivals do... by just doing so...

[wardog6t]

http://www.freep.com/article/20100812/NEWS03/100812052/1001/rss01

& Royal Oak is worried about legal open carriers?

[scot623]

I am planning on attending Sunday around 2-3pm. I'm at a wedding in Bay City/Midland for the weekend.

[wardog6t]

This Arts, Beats and Eats is really starting to piss me off! I watched some of the news video. I really hope a lot of OC'ers can find the time to turn out for this event. Dependant on my work schedule I am trying to make the event regardless of what there attorney opinion is. This is ridiculous.

         How  does City  turn open Streets and sidewalk into TOLL entrances

Just another example of Lib, bureaucrat's in action. Looking out for our best interest! IDIOTS.

[sprinklerguy28]

A large group gathering together to do a demonstration would only further hurt our efforts. I would like to see everyone attend as usual. Many have fought hard for this win partially by pointing out we are everyday people doing everyday things. A big group together just to say we showed you would form a huge negative perception in the publics eye. Everyone of course is free to do as the wish, however I personally am asking to avoid large gatherings or demonstrations.

Thank you
Scott

[Agent1]

A large group gathering together to do a demonstration would only further hurt our efforts. I would like to see everyone attend as usual. Many have fought hard for this win partially by pointing out we are everyday people doing everyday things. A big group together just to say we showed you would form a huge negative perception in the publics eye. Everyone of course is free to do as the wish, however I personally am asking to avoid large gatherings or demonstrations.

Thank you
Scott

I would have to agree with this. I will be attending as long as my wife is able. The only reason that I am attending is because of the work that everone here at MOC has done. Hopefully there is one 2A loving American planning on attending that normally wouldn't for every gun grabbing cry baby that says now they won't. I have been to this event in Pontiac CC. This time it's OC baby! Carry on.

[TheQ]

A large group gathering together to do a demonstration would only further hurt our efforts. I would like to see everyone attend as usual. Many have fought hard for this win partially by pointing out we are everyday people doing everyday things. A big group together just to say we showed you would form a huge negative perception in the publics eye. Everyone of course is free to do as the wish, however I personally am asking to avoid large gatherings or demonstrations.

I agree.  We made our point, let's not over do it.  If you were planning to go to the festival already, by all means, go!  But let's not go out of our way to rub it into everyone's face.

[Maxwell Gunn]

Just to let everyone know, The city attorney and the city council (royal oak) said that the entire festival grounds fall under the Michigan liquor control act. If this is true it would make open carrying WITHOUT a cpl illegal. I don't know whether the liquor licenses really cover the entire festival or not, or whether the police will enforce that or not.

[emt805]

Just to let everyone know, The city attorney and the city council (royal oak) said that the entire festival grounds fall under the Michigan liquor control act. If this is true it would make open carrying WITHOUT a cpl illegal. I don't know whether the liquor licenses really cover the entire festival or not, or whether the police will enforce that or not.

I would say they are trying to regain control that was taken away from them. These are the corrupt politics that we need to get out of office.

[RandyK]

In light of Royal Oaks flagrant violation of the state preemption law, would anyone want to do a mass carry event at Arts Beats And Eats?  I don't normally OC, but I'd be willing to prove a point to Royal Oak.  I'd rather not do it alone though, both for the fact that I've never actually OC'ed before, but also more importantly because there's safety in numbers in case Royal Oak tries any shenanigans.  They may hassle 1 person but 10?, 15?, 20?, 25?, 50?, 100?  Lets show them that the preemption law means something, and so does the Constitution, both Federal, and State.  Anyone interested?

I was at every single city council meeting that pertained to fixing the contract, fought just as hard as everybody else. This was never about bringing guns to the festival! It was about getting a illegal clause removed from the contract. That mission was accomplished. We won! The media has moved on to something else. They aren't going to know if one OCer shows up or 100 do.

The fact of the matter is just because firearms are allowed doesn't meen this is an OC friendly event. I think if the anti's go to a place expecting to see guns and don't see any makes more of impact then going there and rubbing it in there faces. Hopefully they realize that they made a big f'ing deal out of nothing. Showing up and getting noticed just gives them fuel for the fire. I you wanted to make an impact you should have came to some of the meetings.

Why would I go to a crowded place were I know im not welcome and could be harrassed? No thanks, ill go someplace were I can have fun that weekend.

[FatboyCykes]

Just to let everyone know, The city attorney and the city council (royal oak) said that the entire festival grounds fall under the Michigan liquor control act. If this is true it would make open carrying WITHOUT a cpl illegal. I don't know whether the liquor licenses really cover the entire festival or not, or whether the police will enforce that or not.

With all respect to the lawyer I believe the law says an establishment licensed....I don't think the ABnE qualifies as an establishment, I could be wrong.

[Small_Arms_Collector]

WAR!!!!

A note from the festival producer Jon Witz
.by Arts, Beats & Eats on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 at 5:57pm.
 To our festival fans and friends,

 

I am writing in regard to a few concerns we've had from our festival patrons and fans.

 

My name is Jon Witz and I produce Ford Arts, Beats & Eats. This is a note to you written by me from the heart and not a public relations statement, I have three young kids 6-11 (maybe not young anymore) and I live in Troy. As most of you know, it's been a policy of ours not to allow hand guns into the event for twelve years.

 

One thing I've learned in the last couple of months is that individuals in Michigan and 43 other states actually have the rights to carry a holstered side arm in virtually everywhere they travel. This includes Oakland County Parks (which just had to change their policy) or walking into downtown Royal Oak for dinner, or at other family festivals. The City of Royal Oak and the festival recently changed their policy because they thought they would be violating the law. Nothing more. Not one of the Royal Oak commissioners thinks guns should be allowed at the festival, and they join a vast majority of our society including most gun owners. An out right lie

 

The organization that fought for their rights to carry guns has no plans to come to the festival in any large group, and the majority of this very small group won't even be attending. It's an absolute fallacy that there will be any visible amount of weapons at the festival Oh yeah?, watch us., and I am asking you to get the word out to any friends that are considering not attending due to this unfortunate state law. By not attending you will take your frustration out on 60 charities, artists, musicians, restaurants, unique Royal Oak businesses and cultural organizations that have been a part of the festival for years. They would also be penalizing a festival that COMPLETELY AGREES WITH THEM! We are asking everyone to consider a different course of action, which will help fix the problem not penalize the hundreds of good organizations that will involved in ABE, which is to write a letter to your state senator and representative to get the law changed for next year. I will even write a sample letter for you to start and you can change and personalize it as you wish.

 

It's very clear to me that our event was a target due to its high profile, but will not be a place that more than a few of these people with guns are actually coming to. PLEASE put your energy to fixing an archaic law that needs to be changed. Please also note that our festival, like others, has not searched people when they come in, and we've had zero incidents involving hand guns in our history. In this light, people with concealed weapons and permits could be at our event, just like they could be sitting next to you at a restaurant or in a movie theatre Spell check much?. We have a strong police and private security presence and our feeling is that we would be, as we've always been, one of the safest places to be in Metro Detroit on Labor Day Weekend.

 

If the City and festival upheld its policy, two things would have actually happened: One, the city would have been open to many costly lawsuits, and two, the gun owners would have rallied outside the festival with a large amount of people to protest. By making this change now, we are actually reducing the number of gun owners that will be at the festival. Such a scenario could easily be a worse situation. So were Lepers? In fact, I would be more uncomfortable with my family if there was a big issue about it from the open carry gun advocates then otherwise. It would have been a drain on police and law enforcement and put the media spotlight on the people who want to promote carrying guns.

 

Again, since we changed our policy, it does not mean that myself, or the festival, or the City Commission of Royal Oak lacks principle or back bone. You have my word that I will be personally leading charge after the festival to amend this law by the end of the year.

 

Thank you for your consideration and look forward to seeing everyone at Ford Arts, Beats & Eats

 

Jon Witz

Producer

Lets burn this bigoted anti-gun *edited*!!!!!

I'll be there for a certainty now, and I WILL be OC'ing, and I'm now giving serious consideration to bringing my PS90 just to teach that elitist, arrogant *edited* a lesson.

[cabman1]

I pose to ask a question why in the world would anyone that believes in the 2nd amendment  go to this event????Exspecially when he said he was going to take the money and try to get lansing to change the law so he still doesnt want us there!!!!!