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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: TheQ on January 29, 2013, 08:16:04 AM
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Predictions?
I wasn't around for the last gun grab scare. Various articles are coming out that say Reid doesn't even have a majority of votes to pass a ban out of the Senate -- let alone the House.
Any predictions when ammo supply/demand will level off?
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When the owners realize there is no need to buy everything in sight. It's messed up when I want just one box of ammo for the range and all I hear is, this guy came in and bought everything.
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My local range has a two box per day limit. Even so, they are still out of a bunch of stuff.
When will everything return to normal? Depends on your definition of normal. I don't think things have been the same since mid 2008 and they won't be for a long time, if ever.
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I hope soon. I turn 18 in about a week, terrible time to start my collection.
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I don't see it returning back to "normal" until at least the end of this year.... it's going to take some time to replenish stocks...
That's a big IF... IF there are no more big shootings...
HOpefully we will start to see people selling their surplus for cheap in about 2 years. ;)
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Maybe someone can explain this to me, why do we even have an ammo shortage?
Look at all the talk over gun control proposals, NONE of them have anything to do with ammo. Background checks, AWB, banning mag's over 10rds, but nothing about ammo. I understand why there would be a rush on the guns that they want to ban, but no one is talking about ammo, so why are people freaking out and buying all of it in such large quantities?
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Maybe someone can explain this to me, why do we even have an ammo shortage?
Look at all the talk over gun control proposals, NONE of them have anything to do with ammo. Background checks, AWB, banning mag's over 10rds, but nothing about ammo. I understand why there would be a rush on the guns that they want to ban, but no one is talking about ammo, so why are people freaking out and buying all of it in such large quantities?
You're speaking rationally. Most people, gun owners included, are driven by emotion.
Personally, I stocked up in November -- because I knew ppl would hoard because if Obama 2.0. I didn't stock up because I feared Obama 2.0; I stocked up because I knew people would hoard because of Obama 2.0.
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You're speaking rationally. Most people, gun owners included, are driven by emotion.
Personally, I stocked up in November -- because I knew ppl would hoard because if Obama 2.0. I didn't stock up because I feared Obama 2.0; I stocked up because I knew people would hoard because of Obama 2.0.
I guess I should have too. I did buy a new AR and a carbine that would be considered an "assault weapon" because of obama being elected, becasue i knew he would come after those, but i never anticipated him going after ammo so i didn't bother to stock up.
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I guess I should have too. I did buy a new AR and a carbine that would be considered an "assault weapon" because of obama being elected, becasue i knew he would come after those, but i never anticipated him going after ammo so i didn't bother to stock up.
Best to consider what people will do because what they think Obama is likely to do.
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Best to consider what people will do because what they think Obama is likely to do.
yeah, i learned my lesson on this one.
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Patches are in short supply too ;(
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You're speaking rationally. Most people, gun owners included, are driven by emotion.
Personally, I stocked up in November -- because I knew ppl would hoard because if Obama 2.0. I didn't stock up because I feared Obama 2.0; I stocked up because I knew people would hoard because of Obama 2.0.
So you hoarded before they did lol
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So you hoarded before they did lol
Pretty much. I followed advice of a nameless hoarding lawyer ;)
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Well, here in Texas we are more than willing to help the "hoarding" situation. Texas Senator Ted Cruz has invited gun and ammo makers into Texas, for a friendly game at building more and building 'em fast! Bring it to Texas, and we will solve the problem in no time. That's the least we can do for "y'all"...
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Mid June everything with ammo and prices will be back to the norm. The gouged prices are already starting to drop. And all these local guns stores that marked up their prices will find they have lost a lot of long term business for a short term gain.
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My initial thoughts were six months--if nothing else happens.
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As soon as people quit voting so dumbocrats are in Washington. The writing has been on the wall if people would have only bothered to read it.
The day this scumbag was elected 4 years ago prices went up and have not came down yet. Clinton did a fine job of causing prices to go through the roof, I remember glock mags costing $125.00 during his reign.
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Mid June everything with ammo and prices will be back to the norm. The gouged prices are already starting to drop. And all these local guns stores that marked up their prices will find they have lost a lot of long term business for a short term gain.
These places had three choices/
1. Raise prices to lower demand
2. Limit the amount if ammo per customer per day
3. Be out if stock
Sounds like three bad choices. I'd not fault a gun shop for making any if those choices.
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I was reading another gun board the other day and a guy started a thread whining about people getting down on liberal Democrats. He was a liberal Democrat gun owner and voted for Obama and didn't like it that most people there ragged on liberals.
He acknowledges Obama would restrict and even ban some firearms and ammunition, raise energy costs, and such, but he doesn't think those are things to worry about because Obama never would be able to get that stuff through congress so it's a non-issue.
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I cleaned up from the hoarders after the last panic. Prices plummeted. I managed to stock pile nearly 10,000 rounds of M855 at a fraction of what had previously been real good deal prices before the first panic set in. People needed money and they were willing to dump lead. I also stockpiled plenty of ammo for almost all the guns I lost in that tragic boating accident while ice fishing last winter.
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I cleaned up from the hoarders after the last panic. Prices plummeted. I managed to stock pile nearly 10,000 rounds of M855 at a fraction of what had previously been real good deal prices before the first panic set in. People needed money and they were willing to dump lead. I also stockpiled plenty of ammo for almost all the guns I lost in that tragic boating accident while ice fishing last winter.
Sorry to hear you got stuck with all that ammo you can no longer use. I am a certified ammunition recycler, and would be happy to help you dispose of it. Just because I such a nice guy, I'll waive my usual pick up and hazardous material fees.
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About a month back the shop in Royal Oak refused to sell ammo unless a handgun was also purchased. They claimed it was because they were low on stock, but their SD ammo wall was quite full (at least as full as it has ever been). The clearly don't want anyone's money.
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Share the love! I've only got around 2k... :P
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When the owners realize there is no need to buy everything in sight. It's messed up when I want just one box of ammo for the range and all I hear is, this guy came in and bought everything.
That's all I ever hear too. I am not looking to buy 50 boxes of 9mm. I just want like 3 boxes to shoot off at the range. I'm not paying $20 for a box of 9mm at the range that I have a temporary membership at but every time I have walked into anywhere else that sells ammo I hear the same line. "A guy was sitting outside the store, and when we opened he bought it all" "there were 4 guys that came in right when we opened and bought it all"
All I see on shelves are a few random boxes of JHP's and usually about 10 boxes of .40 S&W (I guess I should have gotten a glock 23 after all)
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That's all I ever hear too. I am not looking to buy 50 boxes of 9mm. I just want like 3 boxes to shoot off at the range. I'm not paying $20 for a box of 9mm at the range that I have a temporary membership at but every time I have walked into anywhere else that sells ammo I hear the same line. "A guy was sitting outside the store, and when we opened he bought it all" "there were 4 guys that came in right when we opened and bought it all"
All I see on shelves are a few random boxes of JHP's and usually about 10 boxes of .40 S&W (I guess I should have gotten a glock 23 after all)
It's either this, higher prices, or sales limits (the store only let's you buy so many boxes)
You pick.
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At this point I think I would rather them limit quantity per customer per day to spread it across more customers. One person comes in and buy all the ammo and walks out broke, or several people come in and buy a couple boxes and continue to shop for other things thus, in my opinion increase overall sales.
Its my understanding that even supplies to reload are hard to come by.
I feel some people went and got personal loans to buy ammo...what has this country come too..Debt, hoarding, ignorance, socialist dependencies?
I haven't been able to find any ammo hardly anywhere...any tips without breaking the bank?
Then again, I am just another brick in the wall...
Just saying, in case there are some really nice people out there, haha .40 cal and .223 / 5.56 is needed here.
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At this point I think I would rather them limit quantity per customer per day to spread it across more customers. One person comes in and buy all the ammo and walks out broke, or several people come in and buy a couple boxes and continue to shop for other things thus, in my opinion increase overall sales.
Its my understanding that even supplies to reload are hard to come by.
I feel some people went and got personal loans to buy ammo...what has this country come too..Debt, hoarding, ignorance, socialist dependencies?
I haven't been able to find any ammo hardly anywhere...any tips without breaking the bank?
Then again, I am just another brick in the wall...
Just saying, in case there are some really nice people out there, haha .40 cal and .223 / 5.56 is needed here.
Guns without ammo are nothing more than expensive rocks and clubs. Not to be a nit picker, but you should've already had enough ammo on hand.
And while your opinion about limiting sales sounds reasonable, on the surface, it reminds me of the government's failed wage and price controls to limit inflation of yesteryear. All it accomplishes is the further interference with the free market of supply and demand. It is nothing more than a form of rationing that leads to increased hoarding.
The market will fall out on these high prices in about a year. And when it does, all the hoarders will be flooding the marke t with their excess inventory. This will have the reverse affect and drive prices to rock bottom lows. My advice is to stockpile your reserves then. But until then... Well I just don't know what to tell you. I have, and have always had, a somewhat sufficient supply.
Remember that lead will be the most precious metal when the economy collapses.
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You make valid points CV67PAT, regulating is already overly abundant. I say it from the stand point of I know many people buying their FIRST firearms and can't even get out to shoot them..without spending almost a dollar per round, if they can even find them, that is insane.
But like many others, I do agree that the government has long over stepped its boundaries and needs to be put in check. Our government is best when it is limited to its most basic functions...
I personally don't have a stockpile, but have enough for personal and home defense. I also like to rotate stock and would like to shoot more often but with current market, don't really want to shoot all I have. No one really knows when things will lax again. We have all seen this before, and we just have to ride the roller coaster.
But, when I said limit quantity, I see that from a business owner standpoint, strategic move to keep customers coming in the door, not from a government point. If you ran a business, would you rather have one person come in and buy all the ammo you have and nothing else or have several people come in with more potential that they will buy more that just ammo?
In regards to, "I should have already had ammo," are you implying I should have bought mass quantities of ammo before I even purchase a firearm of a different caliber? (such as I just recently in the last quarter of 2012 bought my AR-15). Should I have been buying ammo all year cause I planned on buying said gun?
Not everyone has the ability to go buy thousands of rounds in a sitting to hoard, but rather budget in to buy a couple boxes a month for target and protection.
I think (and I am no expert) that prices will drop sooner than a year...i.m.o.
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On Target in Kalamazoo, had no 9mm, but decent amounts of most other calibers, except, I think .40 They also had a full complement of .22, which was a bare shelf a couple weeks ago.
I stopped by Wal-Mart in Portage and got their last two boxes of Tula 9mm for 10.37 per box. If they would've had three boxes, I would have bought my limit. That's $5.00 cheaper than the last time I found any Tula at a different Wal-Mart a couple months ago. Wal-Mart did not appear to have any other pistol caliber ammo.
Gander Mountain had one box of 25 9mm for 29.95, I passed over that. It looked like they had several boxes of most other calibers, and a lot more shotgun ammo, buckshot and slug, than the last couple times I was in there. But they did have a decent selection a couple weeks ago, so I stocked up on a few boxes of self defense ammo then.
Both On Target and Gander Mountain had small crowds, that is, not so bad you couldn't get close enough to see what handguns they had in stock.
I take that as a sign that things are slowly easing up. 9mm will probably be hit and miss for a few months yet.
I am debating buying a "bigger pistol", since it seems easier to get ammo right now. I want to be responsible and train firing my weapon monthly as is recommended. I guess a .22 would also be cheap, now that ammo seems to be available. But a lot of .22s I have seen are a lot more expensive than guns in larger calibers. Not sure if that is a demand driven price or not.
Will be interesting to see how long until supplies and prices stabilize....
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On Thursday I found and picked up 500 rounds of .22 LR from Michigan Police Equipment Supply store on Lansing Rd, SW of Lansing. The next day I thought more and picked up 500 more rounds. They had 7 boxes of 100 left when I left the store the second time.
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I just recently in the last quarter of 2012 bought my AR-15
In the last quarter of 2012 you could buy a 1,000 round case (ammo can) of new 5.56 NATO for $360-$380. Since Obama promised more gun control, just the fact that Obama was reelected should have had people stocking up, even before the tragic Sandy Hook shooting. That same can of Lake City was recently going for $1,200.
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On Thursday I found and picked up 500 rounds of .22 LR from Michigan Police Equipment Supply store on Lansing Rd, SW of Lansing. The next day I thought more and picked up 500 more rounds. They had 7 boxes of 100 left when I left the store the second time.
Is that store open to the public? I know its right by where we work but wasnt sure if they only sold to police.
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Is that store open to the public? I know its right by where we work but wasnt sure if they only sold to police.
They sell everything to everyone with the exception of new sigs and new glocks (manufacturer agreements).
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They sell everything to everyone with the exception of new sigs and new glocks (manufacturer agreements).
OK well thats cool kinda, I am looking for a G17 but dont want to pay the crazy prices we are seeing now. I was thinking if anybody had one instock they would, and they wouldnt want $650 for it.
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OK well thats cool kinda, I am looking for a G17 but dont want to pay the crazy prices we are seeing now. I was thinking if anybody had one instock they would, and they wouldnt want $650 for it.
You won't find one that is new/for sale to public. You might find some deals on some gently used LEA guns.
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You won't find one that is new/for sale to public. You might find some deals on some gently used LEA guns.
I found a new one at Total but they wanted 629.99 and that just to much. Before the recent shortage had a friend buy one from a dealer buddy of his for 450 OTD.
Thanks for the info about MPS gonna have to stop in there today and check out they're used inventory.
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So I stopped at the police supply store to look at the inventory, and believe it or not, there wasnt much. One G22 with "light wear" for a pretty good price but I dont need another 40. One of the employees told me he had just bid on a lot of 25 G17's but wont know for a week or so if they get them. Guess I will have to keep stopping in and checking.
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MPS does sell to the public. But if you want the discounted price on Sig, Glock or other guns you must be LEO or public safety. The trade off for the low pay being a Paramedic, I get Glocks for $400. 8)
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MPS does sell to the public. But if you want the discounted price on Sig, Glock or other guns you must be LEO or public safety. The trade off for the low pay being a Paramedic, I get Glocks for $400. 8)
Hmmmm...the wife used to be a licensed EMT....
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MPS does sell to the public. But if you want the discounted price on Sig, Glock or other guns you must be LEO or public safety. The trade off for the low pay being a Paramedic, I get Glocks for $400. 8)
Sounds good, I will throw you an extra hundred. G17.
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Kinda late but I just thought I should share. Gander mountain in Lansing had big value boxes of 9, 40, 45, and 380. This was at 4 this afternoon and they had quite a few.
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Kinda late but I just thought I should share. Gander mountain in Lansing had big value boxes of 9, 40, 45, and 380. This was at 4 this afternoon and they had quite a few.
Just called -- gone.
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Sounds good, I will throw you an extra hundred. G17.
Wish I could but I can't take advantage of something like that. Check duncan's in bay city they have some Glocks in stock as of a few days ago.
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Just called -- gone.
Sorry I waited so long to spread the word. They had a lot when I was there but they were selling like hot cakes. Wasn't to high priced ($99 for 350 9mm) like I have seen other stores go to ( $20 for 100 mini mag :( ).
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Wish I could but I can't take advantage of something like that. Check duncan's in bay city they have some Glocks in stock as of a few days ago.
I understand I was just kidding. I was able to get one without using to much lube. And now with my find at gander I have 1050 9mm rounds begging me to set them free. Gonna have to go visit ranger Rick tomorrow.
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Ammo prices are already starting to come down.
Just saw 1000 rounds of PMC .223 for $750
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Ammo prices are already starting to come down.
Just saw 1000 rounds of PMC .223 for $750
AIM was selling 1,000 rds. of Lake City 5.56 for $449 the other day.
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AIM was selling 1,000 rds. of Lake City 5.56 for $449 the other day.
XM193 or XM855? Loose in box? Or on stripper clips in bandoliers & ammo cans?
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I saw someone mention it in a post online. I don't remember if they said, and I didn't go the ad to see because the only ammo I'm looking for now is 5.7x28.
I think it was this:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AFED223XM855CS&name=Federal+5.56x45+(.223)+M855+62grn+Green+Tip+1000rd+Case&groupid=21 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AFED223XM855CS&name=Federal+5.56x45+(.223)+M855+62grn+Green+Tip+1000rd+Case&groupid=21)
Lake City bulk XM855, $449.50
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Today oc'd at walmart in livonia had fun no ammo walked around no body said a word to me about it my 1st time at walmart oc'ing
Walmart's corporate policy is that they follow state law and for the time being they won't be selling any more ammo when they run out. I work at one and asked our asst. mgr about it.
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Walmart's corporate policy is that they follow state law and for the time being they won't be selling any more ammo when they run out. I work at one and asked our asst. mgr about it.
That is too bad because ammo was the only reason I would go into a Walmart. Of course once I was in there there usually were other thing purchased.
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Walmart's corporate policy is that they follow state law and for the time being they won't be selling any more ammo when they run out. I work at one and asked our asst. mgr about it.
About 2 weeks ago a female ass Mgr at the southgate store said they not going to raise prices or have any changes with ammo (they do not sell guns on this area).
She said they had a recent conference call with corporate and that is what they were told.
She said they had 3 places they get ammo from and one or two (i forget which she said) supply Wal-Mart only.
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Walmart in Muskegon on Henry still Carries ammo, limited selection do to the rapid sales, but they do restock. I was told one night though, after i got out of work at 11pm that they don't sell after 10pm. Don't know why and this was before the crazy crap that happened last year. Hmmm, maybe they are to lazy to unlock cabinet, it was even the manager i spoke too.
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Walmart in Muskegon on Henry still Carries ammo, limited selection do to the rapid sales, but they do restock. I was told one night though, after i got out of work at 11pm that they don't sell after 10pm. Don't know why and this was before the crazy crap that happened last year. Hmmm, maybe they are to lazy to unlock cabinet, it was even the manager i spoke too.
They don't sell after 10pm because (at least in my store) there are only a limited amt of people that can sell in that dept. More than likely it's company policy. If it's locked in a cabinet then it has to be paid for in sporting goods, if it's off the open shelf then they can pay for it up front at the registers.
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Walmart in Muskegon on Henry still Carries ammo, limited selection do to the rapid sales, but they do restock. I was told one night though, after i got out of work at 11pm that they don't sell after 10pm. Don't know why and this was before the crazy crap that happened last year. Hmmm, maybe they are to lazy to unlock cabinet, it was even the manager i spoke too.
I seriously doubt it has anything to do with laziness, Jac. probably just as cherper said. After 10PM the department counter is not manned (or even womanned) for restricted product sales. I'd even venture a guess that you wouldn't be able to purchase a hunting license, ORV license, or fishing license either.
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video games kind of falls under restricted sales as well. No one is at the counter in the late evening early morning and they have no problem coming to unlock the game and get me anything I want. Since normally I would have to pay for it there and the registers are shutdown, they escort me to the front of the store to pay.
And, just a couple days prior, a coworker of mine purchased 420 rnds in an ammo can with not the slightest issue at around 11:30 pm. More or less, they are really inconsistent on how they treat these situations.
Never tried getting a license, not really a hunter or fisher. Suppose I should try and see what they say.
Now, Meijer is a similar situation but they will sell me ammo all hours of the night, at least any time I have been there.
Just surprised I suppose..but hey, nothing I can really do about it anyways right?
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video games kind of falls under restricted sales as well. No one is at the counter in the late evening early morning and they have no problem coming to unlock the game and get me anything I want. Since normally I would have to pay for it there and the registers are shutdown, they escort me to the front of the store to pay.
And, just a couple days prior, a coworker of mine purchased 420 rnds in an ammo can with not the slightest issue at around 11:30 pm. More or less, they are really inconsistent on how they treat these situations.
Never tried getting a license, not really a hunter or fisher. Suppose I should try and see what they say.
Now, Meijer is a similar situation but they will sell me ammo all hours of the night, at least any time I have been there.
Just surprised I suppose..but hey, nothing I can really do about it anyways right?
The only way to change that sort of policy is to no longer shop there. If enough sales were to be lost, they would change their policy.
Since gun owners vote for anti gun people, promote using anti gun search engines and a few other bad things I wouldn't hold my breath on people not shopping there.
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Sorry to chime in late.
In the past month I have purchased about 6 boxes of 40 cal at the store I work at. Since I know the management they let me know when we get our shipments it. We get ours every Friday and sometimes on Tue depending on if its a holiday week or what not. A group of 4 guys come into the store every morning at 5 A.M and buy anything that is in the case. No joke. I am not sure if they are hoarding, reselling, or actually use the ammo but from what I hear they do this at the other stores as well. These are the people that make it impossible for others to even get a single box. I know it is their right but if it weren't for me working there I would never get a chance at any ammo.
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As soon as people stop paying "anything" to buy ammo from these jokers, they'll stop buying it.
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This morning at the store I work at we got an unusual ammount of ammo in. About 2 cases of various rounds from .357 to 9mm. So about 120 boxes or so of ammo. I snagged one box of 40 cal as they were being loaded in the case. Sure enoph the same group of guys came in at the usual time and bought all 120 boxes. Out of sheer curiosity I asked them if they did a lot of target practice and the response was " hell no, we sell it to idiots for twice what it costs at our shop. I am Hoping for more scares, I'm making a fortune"
I was at first surprised but then I got to thinking... If people pay it why not? It's sad they are hoarding and reselling but at the same time they have a good idea going and are feeding off people who don't care about cost.
I hope things calm down soon.
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This morning at the store I work at we got an unusual ammount of ammo in. About 2 cases of various rounds from .357 to 9mm. So about 120 boxes or so of ammo. I snagged one box of 40 cal as they were being loaded in the case. Sure enoph the same group of guys came in at the usual time and bought all 120 boxes. Out of sheer curiosity I asked them if they did a lot of target practice and the response was " hell no, we sell it to idiots for twice what it costs at our shop. I am Hoping for more scares, I'm making a fortune"
I was at first surprised but then I got to thinking... If people pay it why not? It's sad they are hoarding and reselling but at the same time they have a good idea going and are feeding off people who don't care about cost.
I hope things calm down soon.
Ahhh, the free market.
With that said, do you know what shop these guys run so I know to not waste my time patronizing them?
-Jason
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No sorry I do not. I know they buy the bulk of the ammo in the Lansing area because our other 6 stores in the area have them snagging everything up. No doubt they have a daily routine.