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Open Carry Specific => OC Questions => Topic started by: SD40VE on February 13, 2014, 08:23:30 AM

Title: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 13, 2014, 08:23:30 AM
this was brought up to me last night by a friend who usually OC with a blackhawk serpa. he was looking at galco miami classic and bulldog extreme shoulder rigs. he wanted to know of the legalities when using one of these as typically they tuck under your arm which some may consider concealed. (the IWB holster comments from the seminar reminded of this kind of situation)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 13, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
They are still clearly visible.  But you can always get the jerk cop claiming that it's concealed no matter where you carry it at or on.  If it's still visible, it's not concealed.
Title: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: TheQ on February 13, 2014, 09:00:48 AM
The question of fact (which will be presented to a jury at a jury trial) will be:

"Based on the evidence you have been given, has it been proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the firearm was not readily observable to a casual observer?"

The answer to that question depends on the jury.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on February 13, 2014, 09:11:17 AM
I don't know of anyone who thinks shoulder rigs are comfortable.  Gun forums are full of posts by people who have them but hate to wear them.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 13, 2014, 09:15:31 AM
I don't know of anyone who things shoulder rigs are comfortable.  Gun forums are full of posts by people who have them but hate to wear them.

I bought a super crappy one for like $13 just to get an idea of it.  It was so bad though that I need something better that doesn't flop around.  I only liked the idea of a shoulder holster so that I can wear it around the house and still be in cotton shorts and a T'shirt.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 13, 2014, 10:44:59 AM
I bought a super crappy one for like $13 just to get an idea of it.  It was so bad though that I need something better that doesn't flop around.  I only liked the idea of a shoulder holster so that I can wear it around the house and still be in cotton shorts and a T'shirt.

thats his idea as well, pj pants and a tshirt, he has a 1911 he wants to carry in home, he went out and got a $50 bulldog extreme nylon holster. its exactly like mine, i have my cpl so its not a issue for me but he does not as he has one of the 8 year DQ charges and cannot get his cpl. he also wants to be able to go out in summer and do yard work or go to the park and not worry about being detained or arrested for concealing without a cpl since thats a 5 year felony

i know we had discussed IWB holsters and open carry and if it was open carry. its kind of the same concept. you can see the handle and back end of the gun, the front of the holster is generally covered by your arm
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 13, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
Well, he can still conceal on his own property, so doing yard work even if it ends up being concealed at certain points wouldn't be an issue. 
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Raggs on February 13, 2014, 12:17:51 PM
this was brought up to me last night by a friend who usually OC with a blackhawk serpa. he was looking at galco miami classic and bulldog extreme shoulder rigs. he wanted to know of the legalities when using one of these as typically they tuck under your arm which some may consider concealed. (the IWB holster comments from the seminar reminded of this kind of situation)

I OC a shoulder holster often. I have done so at the Coast guard festival and Art Prize plus pretty much anywhere else I go. I find them more comfortable than an OWB personally. I have never received attention from LEO while carrying in this way.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 14, 2014, 01:06:11 AM
The strap over the should needs to be wide, to keep from digging into the shoulder. The wider, the more comfortable. My Galco is 2 1/2 inches at it's widest point. Very comfortable for all day wear. But it wasn't $15 either.
Title: Re: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: autosurgeon on February 14, 2014, 06:46:20 AM
The strap over the should needs to be wide, to keep from digging into the shoulder. The wider, the more comfortable. My Galco is 2 1/2 inches at it's widest point. Very comfortable for all day wear. But it wasn't $15 either.

Yeah a good one is comfortable...nylon junk like uncle mikes... Are well... Junk and not comfortable. Expect to spend over 150.00 for a good rig.

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Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 14, 2014, 07:21:40 AM
I could personally make a shoulder holster more comfortable than the cheap one I bought out of duct tape and rubber bands. It would probably look better too haha.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 14, 2014, 08:09:50 AM
yeah i was looking at  a galco miami classic. idk im still on the fence about these
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 14, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
yeah i was looking at  a galco miami classic. idk im still on the fence about these
Mine is the original single sided Jack Ass Rig.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on February 14, 2014, 11:32:36 AM
If you are going to wear a shoulder rig in public, wearing a jacket would probably avoid even more public hysteria when the soccer mom behind you in line at Meijer or Kroger has your gun barrel pointed at her.  Raggs, you say that has never been an issue with people behind you in line somewhere?

(https://www.galcogunleather.com/uimages/product_images/accessories/Tie_Downs_Holster_1_b.jpg)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 14, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
well having the barrel stick out like that lol, people may start making a fuss, i was thinking more along the lines of a nylon one since they are considerably cheaper. idk. either way if i did go shoulder holster i would probably conceal unless its summer time or warm enough for just a t shirt
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on February 14, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
well having the barrel stick out like that lol, people may start making a fuss

That's a Galco Miami Classic, one of the better shoulder rigs.  Some guns stick out even farther.  Here's a few in the Galco Jackass Rig.  Hey, Pond Scum, what do you think of that 1911 and those grips?

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p27/SilentHitz/DSCF0015.jpg)

(http://www.galcogunleather.com/uimages/product_images/holsters/shoulder/ja_2_b.jpg)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on February 14, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
I have the classic and its ok, but I like the idea of wearing it more that I like actually wearing it. I've got a holter for my lcr and my m&p for it, but still need one for my 1911
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 14, 2014, 01:51:44 PM
(http://images2.opticsplanet.com/365-240-ffffff/opplanet-blackhawk-serpa-black-shoulder-harness-medium-left.jpg)

i like this one too, would work with my serpa
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Raggs on February 14, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
If you are going to wear a shoulder rig in public, wearing a jacket would probably avoid even more public hysteria when the soccer mom behind you in line at Meijer or Kroger has your gun barrel pointed at her.  Raggs, you say that has never been an issue with people behind you in line somewhere?

(https://www.galcogunleather.com/uimages/product_images/accessories/Tie_Downs_Holster_1_b.jpg)

I have not noticed any hysteria behind me. I generally pay attention to what is behind me and who. I wear the holster a bit further forward than most though.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 14, 2014, 07:15:50 PM
(http://images2.opticsplanet.com/365-240-ffffff/opplanet-blackhawk-serpa-black-shoulder-harness-medium-left.jpg)

i like this one too, would work with my serpa
Whoa there!!! Is that a Glock in a Serpa?!?!?
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on February 15, 2014, 06:20:03 AM
Hey, Pond Scum, what do you think of that 1911 and those grips?

(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p27/SilentHitz/DSCF0015.jpg)


Its a good looking setup but I think it needs more color to liven it up!   Maybe the snake should have some red eyes ..... or better yet, some Spartan Green Emeralds for eyes!   :D
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 15, 2014, 06:29:58 AM
Or be a Glock.  That would improve it quite a bit.   :-*

If I had a 1911, I saw some really cool looking "zombie" grips one time that I would probably put on mine.  I can't find an image of them though :(

OHHH found them. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/317485/hogue-grips-1911-government-commander-gloss-aluminum-zombie-green (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/317485/hogue-grips-1911-government-commander-gloss-aluminum-zombie-green)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: autosurgeon on February 15, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
Mine is a Galco VSR with the Jackass harness.

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Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 15, 2014, 10:41:59 AM
Or be a Glock.  That would improve it quite a bit.   :-*

If I had a 1911, I saw some really cool looking "zombie" grips one time that I would probably put on mine.  I can't find an image of them though :(

OHHH found them. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/317485/hogue-grips-1911-government-commander-gloss-aluminum-zombie-green (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/317485/hogue-grips-1911-government-commander-gloss-aluminum-zombie-green)
I like those. They're kinda cute.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 15, 2014, 11:28:59 AM
Heck yeah, id bang'em
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on February 15, 2014, 01:18:09 PM
I never carried a 1911 in a shoulder holster.  I have a Galco lite SH and it is not so good.  My favorite shoulder holster is a Masters that I set up with both a LH and RH holster for Bersa UC's.  I figured if I was going to carry a spare mag to balance out the weight I may as well carry it in a gun!  It works very nicely and is quite comfortable.  I like it for driving and it works well to wear in the winter under loose fitting sweaters.  Not as fast on the draw as OC or OWB.



(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/Holsters/MasterswithPairof45UC.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/Holsters/MasterswithPairof45UC.jpg.html)


(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/Bersa/Pairof9UC.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/Bersa/Pairof9UC.jpg.html)


Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 15, 2014, 04:47:23 PM
Fastest reload is a BUG.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 15, 2014, 05:06:05 PM
You sure about that? :D
The fastest clip you'll probably ever see. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFxgQmxbGI#)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on February 15, 2014, 11:09:34 PM
Whoa there!!! Is that a Glock in a Serpa?!?!?

Serpas are used by U.S. Special Operations Command, U.S. Marine Corps, the German Army, the British Army, and many police forces. 
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 16, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
Serpas are used by U.S. Special Operations Command, U.S. Marine Corps, the German Army, the British Army, and many police forces. 
So?
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on February 16, 2014, 09:38:13 PM
Just sayin'.  ;D
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 16, 2014, 10:54:48 PM
Oh. ;-)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on February 17, 2014, 12:34:05 AM
Serpas are used by U.S. Special Operations Command, U.S. Marine Corps, the German Army, the British Army, and many police forces.

And by me!       ;D
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 17, 2014, 08:12:26 AM
i know pat ima surprised the guy in the pic didnt shoot himself! that cant be safe
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 24, 2014, 09:32:44 AM
got a miami classic from michigun in SCS. nice little shop, never had been but they had one for the m&p 9/40 in stock in black like i wanted. also got a 10% discount on it. was a costly accessory though. very comforable
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 24, 2014, 10:12:29 AM
got a miami classic from michigun in SCS. nice little shop, never had been but they had one for the m&p 9/40 in stock in black like i wanted. also got a 10% discount on it. was a costly accessory though. very comforable
Costly... yes. But well worth it. Mine is still in great shape and comfortable, even after over 25 years.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 24, 2014, 11:04:57 AM
indeed. i look forward to owning it as long as i own that firearm. dont see myself selling that one any time soon. love it too much
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 26, 2014, 09:36:42 AM
as far as CCW

#3 on jury instructions


(3) Second, that this pistol was concealed on or about the person of the defendant. Complete invisibility is not required. A pistol is concealed if it cannot easily be seen by those who come into ordinary contact with the defendant.

there it is
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: doesch on February 26, 2014, 10:38:32 AM
I use the Spera Shoulder Rig with my Px4 anytime I'm driving for more than 2 hours, I find it much more comfortable & easier to access than any other style of holster from a seated position. In the summer I just wear a t-shirt and during the rest of the year I usually have a jacket over it; I usually pack an extra holster or BUG for use at my destination.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 26, 2014, 10:49:18 AM
from jury instruction #3 i would not assume a shoulder rig is considered concealed. my galco is black. i rarely wear a black shirt with it, gives it contrast. makes it stick out. after all that's the whole point of OC we want people to see and know we are not a threat just because we have a pistol on our person
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: CV67PAT on February 26, 2014, 11:06:17 AM
You sure about that? :D
The fastest clip you'll probably ever see. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFxgQmxbGI#)
I've seen faster. In person.
Easy enough to do while standing still.
I'd like to see him do the El Presidente Drill that fast and double tap all three targets twice each.
Hands in the air. Back to the targets. Turn. Fire six rounds, double tap three targets, reload, six rounds double tap three targets in less than 4 seconds. 100% hit.

Then I'd be impressed.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 26, 2014, 12:54:43 PM
I've seen faster. In person.
Easy enough to do while standing still.
I'd like to see him do the El Presidente Drill that fast and double tap all three targets twice each.
Hands in the air. Back to the targets. Turn. Fire six rounds, double tap three targets, reload, six rounds double tap three targets in less than 4 seconds. 100% hit.

Then I'd be impressed.

el presidente drill sounds fairly familiar. i recall a conversation about that in flint. isnt someone able to do that with their safariland ALS holster? i think it came up when re were talking about drawing from a retention holster and the whole retention segment.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2014, 01:32:59 PM
I challenge you to a game of battleship!!! 10 yards, pistols.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71HIE8eNCDL._SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on February 26, 2014, 01:49:17 PM
if we do a shoot. id buy those and bring. js
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on March 03, 2014, 07:58:38 PM
Those look like fun competition targets!
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: LD on March 12, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
Those look like fun competition targets!

You could play range poker....

Staple a deck of playing cards to a piece of cardboard and alternate shots.
Best 5 card hand wins.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on March 12, 2014, 11:59:49 PM

Its a good looking setup but I think it needs more color to liven it up!   Maybe the snake should have some red eyes ..... or better yet, some Spartan Green Emeralds for eyes!   :D

The snake helped inspire me to add some color to my Detonics.  I had grayish VZ grips on the Detonics but moved them to the American Classic Commander.

(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/Detonics/photo4copy.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/Detonics/photo4copy.jpg.html)


(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/American%20Classic/9a2267bf-02e9-437e-8d4c-17f2b910c040.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/American%20Classic/9a2267bf-02e9-437e-8d4c-17f2b910c040.jpg.html)


(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/American%20Classic/dcc6605a-8b07-4ef4-be84-f8afa34afb3b.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/American%20Classic/dcc6605a-8b07-4ef4-be84-f8afa34afb3b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on April 28, 2014, 09:03:20 PM

Its a good looking setup but I think it needs more color to liven it up! 

Here you go.

(http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/630x417xDSC_3518-900x596.jpg.pagespeed.ic.g1OcQDOdTT.webp)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on July 09, 2014, 09:14:48 PM
Hey Glenn, here's some more grip panels for you!  They'll even make your own using your supplied image.

(http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/600_Red_Dragon_C1911.jpg)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_Widow_on_Flames_1911.JPG)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_Metallic_Widow_1911.JPG)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_Red_Dragon_1911.JPG)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_Red_Dragon_White_1911.JPG)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_Viper1.JPG)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_Rattler1.JPG)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_American_Spirit_C1911.jpg)
(http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/images/600_American_Tattoo_C1911.jpg)

Lots more here: http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/ (http://www.riograndecustomgrips.com/)

Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on July 09, 2014, 11:06:10 PM
Nice! How about "Go" on one side and "Green" on the other side!   ;D

 I do have some new grips in my sights ..... but not much color on them........  Looking for more ivory with Colt Medalions...... 
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: SD40VE on July 10, 2014, 08:13:24 AM
Nice! How about "Go" on one side and "Green" on the other side!   ;D

 I do have some new grips in my sights ..... but not much color on them........  Looking for more ivory with Colt Medalions......

another fan of sparty! me likes
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on July 10, 2014, 09:13:29 AM
another fan of sparty! me likes

Here is my full size American Classic Trophy with the hard chrome finish.  I put these grips on during March madness a couple of years ago and I left them on!  This is my usual OC in my Serpa when riding the Goldwing.

(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/American%20Classic/ACTrophy.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/American%20Classic/ACTrophy.jpg.html)

It looked like this in the Serpa when I was in better shape.  No, I didn't weigh any less but I had the strength to hold my gut in long enough for the photo!

(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/American%20Classic/ACTrophyGreenMotherofPearlLarge.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/American%20Classic/ACTrophyGreenMotherofPearlLarge.jpg.html)

And for the record the American classics are good shooters.  Way more accurate than I am.

(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/American%20Classic/DSC05598Medium.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/American%20Classic/DSC05598Medium.jpg.html)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Jeff on July 10, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
OH, I really like those emerald looking grips.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on July 11, 2014, 02:20:12 AM
OH, I really like those emerald looking grips.

Green pearl made from plastic .... not too expensive ....   I'm thinking about $45 but it was a few years ago so that might not be exact. 
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on July 07, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
Glenn, found another grip that looks nice.  OEM single panels or wraparound.

(http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Radical-Concepts-Practical-Tactical-Delta-Grips.jpg)

(http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Radical-Concepts-Practical-Tactical-Delta-Grips-2.jpg)

http://www.radicalconcepts.info/welcome.html

They also have some nice bone grips. (Pic might not show up for you.  See link below).

(http://nebula.wsimg.com/8b278ba54d48025a9cbe64af432939e7?AccessKeyId=573D0D8DFD0A34445C8C&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)

http://www.radicalconcepts.info/product.html
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on July 08, 2015, 12:16:37 AM
Sorry Gryphon, those Delta grips just don't do it for me.  I guess we successfully hijacked this thread from shoulder holsters to a discussion on grips.  So, here is my no color grips.  Real ivory on my highly polished Colt Custom in 38 Super.   :D

(http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a417/Pondy-F8S/Colt/Colt%2038%20Super%20Ivory%20Grips%202A.jpg) (http://s1033.photobucket.com/user/Pondy-F8S/media/Colt/Colt%2038%20Super%20Ivory%20Grips%202A.jpg.html)
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on July 08, 2015, 01:16:04 AM
I thought you might like the wraparound feature.  That is unique.

I have a new 1911.  I'm seriously thinking about buying a set of Really Old Bone grips.  In fact, I'm going to after I hit SEND here.

Nix that, I have to call to order as it is custom.  Not open at 1:00 AM.

Glenn, I just noticed...your LH panel has a relief cut in the top.  Did you do that yourself or did it come that way?  I need the same thing if grips don't come with it.  My factory grips are just cut off.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on July 08, 2015, 05:06:21 AM
That cut out is for the ambidextrous safety.  Most places will allow you to order grips with it in for no charge - you just have to check the box or put it in the comments section .... some will have a modest adder.  I have added it myself on a couple of grips with a Dremel but its a whole lot easier to buy them with it.   :D
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on July 08, 2015, 05:16:09 AM
I'm talking about the pin/rod between the slide catch and the thumb safety.
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: Pond Scum on July 08, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
Oh, LEFT panel!  I guess I should have raised my left hand before answering.   Doh!

No, I didn't do that ... the grips just came that way.  I need to check a couple of sets and compare them.  I believe that some have more of a cut out than others .. it  may have something to do with the thickness of the grips but I'm no expert. 
Title: Re: shoulder holster oc?
Post by: gryphon on May 17, 2021, 02:39:48 AM
Okay Glenn, I found the ultimate set of 1911 grips.

(https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/271079/realugly45_jpg-1944034.JPG)