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Title: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 08, 2014, 02:36:10 PM
Interesting story here.

Nevada Rancher Is Taking on the Gov’t in a Battle That’s Reaching a Breaking Point

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/08/armed-fed-agents-and-snipers-the-decades-long-battle-between-the-govt-and-a-nevada-rancher-that-has-finally-reached-breaking-point/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/08/armed-fed-agents-and-snipers-the-decades-long-battle-between-the-govt-and-a-nevada-rancher-that-has-finally-reached-breaking-point/)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 08, 2014, 03:59:53 PM
1.1 million in fees.... wow

good luck to the rancher. hes going to need it
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 08, 2014, 04:33:28 PM
But it's only going to take the .gov $3 million to remove his cattle.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: bigt8261 on April 08, 2014, 04:51:30 PM
Do you know what they used to do to Cattle thieves? 

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Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Jeff on April 08, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
I'm sure they aren't "stealing" them, they are "relocating them without the owners approval to turn a profit".
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 08, 2014, 09:25:16 PM
More info below.

(http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BLM-snipers-outside-of-Bundy-Ranch.jpg)

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/robert-farago/incendiary-image-of-the-day-bureau-of-land-management-sharpshooters-edition/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/robert-farago/incendiary-image-of-the-day-bureau-of-land-management-sharpshooters-edition/)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 09, 2014, 08:20:49 PM
And let's see where this goes...

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/urgent-militias-are-mobilizing-to-the-cliven-bundy-ranch (http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/urgent-militias-are-mobilizing-to-the-cliven-bundy-ranch)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 11, 2014, 03:21:15 AM
Is this driven by fracking leases?

http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html# (http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html#)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 11, 2014, 11:43:20 PM
I hate to cite Alex Jones, but holy crap. Looks like they want this area for the displaced animals (tortoise, anyone?) that the solar farm will displace. Follow the money!

Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch
BLM attempted cover-up of Sen. Reid/Chinese gov’t takeover of ranch for solar farm

The Bureau of Land Management, whose director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.

Deleted from BLM.gov but reposted for posterity by the Free Republic, the BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”

“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.

Another BLM report entitled Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (BLM Technical Note 444) reveals that Bundy’s land in question is within the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area” which is part of a broad U.S. Department of Energy program for “Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States” on land “managed” by BLM.

Much more at site: http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/ (http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 11, 2014, 11:44:12 PM
The FAA just closed off the airspace above the Bundy ranch.

NOTAM : 4/1687

FDC 4/1687 ZLA NV..AIRSPACE MESQUITE, NV..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS WITHIN AREA DEFINED AS 3NM RADIUS OF 364624N/1141113W (MMM71 RADIAL AT 4.3NM) SFC-3000FT AGL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.137(A)(1) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT. ONLY RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER DIRECTION OF BLM ARE AUTHORIZED IN THE AIRSPACE. BLM TELEPHONE 702-335-3191 IS IN CHARGE OF ON SCENE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACTIVITY. LOS ANGELES /ZLA/ ARTCC TELEPHONE 661-265-8205 IS THE FAA COORDINATION FACILITY. 1404112140-1405111434

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html (http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 12, 2014, 09:37:45 AM
The FAA just closed off the airspace above the Bundy ranch.

NOTAM : 4/1687

FDC 4/1687 ZLA NV..AIRSPACE MESQUITE, NV..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS WITHIN AREA DEFINED AS 3NM RADIUS OF 364624N/1141113W (MMM71 RADIAL AT 4.3NM) SFC-3000FT AGL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.137(A)(1) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT. ONLY RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER DIRECTION OF BLM ARE AUTHORIZED IN THE AIRSPACE. BLM TELEPHONE 702-335-3191 IS IN CHARGE OF ON SCENE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACTIVITY. LOS ANGELES /ZLA/ ARTCC TELEPHONE 661-265-8205 IS THE FAA COORDINATION FACILITY. 1404112140-1405111434

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html (http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html)

3k Feet AGL. I suppose we could run the place ragged just flying above that..
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 12, 2014, 09:39:34 AM
This is the jackpot of details you have never seen anywhere else, and if you did, they originated here, spread it around, ARCHIVE AND POST!

A Rancher TELLS ALL:

B Hunt wrote:

I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.

The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all).

From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage).

Now, for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)

Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the appropriate resistance. More Here:
http://jimstonefreelance.com/ (http://jimstonefreelance.com/)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 12, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
April 12, 2014
By Monica Morrill
 
Many Americans have been watching with great consternation the ongoing struggle between the Federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the U.S. Marshals against Cliven Bundy and his family. There are no signs of either side relinquishing their position. Many onlookers have been informed that this dispute is over protecting the desert tortoise. But it is nothing of the sort. In fact, the reality of the dispute goes far underneath what is being talked about. The more appropriate source of the dispute is ground water as well as surface water -- this is a war over water.

Cliven Bundy and his family claim that they can trace their family ownership back to around the 1870s on their current property in Clark County. This is well before any Federal offices such as the EPA, BLM, or water management were created. This corresponds with the Homestead rights that were established during the Lincoln administration in 1862 to entice people to settle the western frontier and expand the U.S. agricultural enterprises. This 19th-century policy was meant to encourage and support settlement by families like the Bundys. Now, over 150 years later, what seemed to be borderless country surrounding small-town Bunkerville in Nevada is an inhospitable petri dish for the experiments of growing Federal regulations.

The Bundy Ranch “VO” is now the last large cattle ranch standing in Clark County. According to an anonymous source who has lived in Nevada for thirty-five years, the other major ranches in Clark County have been driven out of existence for one reason or another by the BLM and the Feds. It is claimed that the BLM are masquerading as conservationists, using their Federal power to wield the final blow to reclaim the settlement rights they once honored to settlers like the Bundys.

Follow the Money

The real wealth is in the water to support the plush green golf courses, and surrounding housing developments, gleaming swimming pools, and other demands by hotels and households in Las Vegas, Arizona, and Southern California.

 The same anonymous source claims that there has been a pattern of behavior: land in Clark County has been targeted as property that the BLM can use; the BLM makes an offer to buy the property from the owner (prices vary but it can be a very low market price); the BLM purchases the land; the property is then stripped of the water rights; and the land is resold without the right to water resources. But what good is a farm or ranch without water?

In other words, the BLM is not only driving out the cattle, the cattle rancher, and potentially any wildlife that depends on the riparian environment. The BLM is setting up a situation whereby the surrounding small towns will also go extinct. The BLM’s actions are ensuring that no one will return to the area.

Although Nevada Senator Dean Heller has issued a public statement about his concern over the handling of the Bundy family case, he has not elaborated on the water issue.

The author made several attempts to reach Heller’s Communications Director regarding the importance of water related to this case, but there was no response from Senator Heller’s office.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has kept his official statement simple over the past few days. Senator Reid, “hopes that the transpassing of cattle are rounded up safely so the issue can be resolved.” While it is not clear exactly what “transpassing” means, what is more obvious is that some in the media have overlooked the small detail that the head of the Bureau of Land Management, a division of the Department of Interior, is Neil Kornze, who was also the former Senior Policy Advisor to Senator Reid from 2003 to 2011. Mr. Kornze has served as the BLM Principal Deputy Director for a little over a year until the U.S. Senate confirmed him as the Director of the BLM a few days ago.

On April 8th, three days ago, Senator Reid posted the following press release on his website:

“I’m pleased that the Senate confirmed Neil Kornze as the Director of the Bureau of Land Management today. Neil is just perfect for this position. Raised in Elko, Nevada, Neil really understands the role of public lands in rural America, and natural resources across the West.”

Senator Reid continued,

“His expertise is going to be invaluable to the Bureau of Land Management. I have every bit of confidence that Neil Kornze will be the best director we have ever had at BLM  and I wish him success in this role.”

Furthermore, it might be coincidental that the problems with the Bundy cattle ranching began in 1993, the same year Patricia Mulroy began serving as general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority. From 1989, Ms. Mulroy was also the general manager of the Las Vegas Valley Water District. The author attempted to contact Ms. Mulroy for a comment but she retired from both positions a few months ago in February.

It’s also possible the drought in the western states could have been the catalyst to the desperate actions by the Federal authorities surrounding the Bundy cattle operation. Currently, water rights in Nevada run anywhere from $7,000 to $50,000 per acre foot (depending on the time of year and the amount of rainfall or snowfall in the western region). The water in Nevada is then auctioned, as it has been for at least twenty-five years. That same water can be resold in Las Vegas, Arizona, or Southern California.

Bunkerville in Nevada is ensconced between the Virgin River and the main road, Riverside Road. The Virgin River is a tributary to Lake Mead. The river, along with other sources, discharges into Lake Mead, the largest reservoir in the United States. Both the Virgin River and Lake Mead are part of the Colorado River Basin. In fact, Lake Mead is considered to be the largest surface water collection for the Colorado River. Whoever controls the water controls the vast wealth that is distributed to a network of states at a crucial time during a water shortage.

So why then are there rumors of about 5,000 concerned citizens flocking to the aid of a family that seems to have a simple property-right dispute? It appears that it is because it is not just the Bundy Family under threat of threats of regulations -- a figurative gun ready to fire at their very existence. The citizens of America have either long tolerated mounting regulations or they have not noticed them.

Americans have been surrounded, deliberately corralled, by an increasing code of regulations. Americans have regulations pointed at their healthcare in the form of ObamaCare, their finances by the mercurial IRS, their communications by the NSA, the future education of young Americans by the newly launched Common Core. When will Americans reach the tipping point? It might all begin in Senator Reid’s home state -- the Nevadan Wild West.

Monica Morrill is the co-author of the book BETRAYED: The Shocking True Story of Extortion 17 as told by a Navy SEAL’s Father,  a testimony of Billy Vaughn and his discovery of how some Rules of Engagement are placing the US  forces in significantly increased danger: www.forourson.us (http://www.forourson.us)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/bundy_ranch_the_federal_government_and_the_nevada_water_tipping_point.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/bundy_ranch_the_federal_government_and_the_nevada_water_tipping_point.html)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 13, 2014, 02:00:26 PM
Sheriff Mack condemns Sheriff Gillespie and Governor Sandoval

Sheriff Mack Responds Federal Terrorism at Bundy Ranch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHsI3pX39IQ#ws)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 14, 2014, 01:22:47 AM
I thought I posted this yesterday, but I see I didn't.

http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=877 (http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=877)

Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014
Time: 1840 ET
To: Steve Quayle
From Doug Hagmann

At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:

1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”

2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;

3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;

4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.

This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.

Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.

A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 14, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
Here's an update to yesterday's post.

Again, this is FAR from being over.

http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=881 (http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=881)

UPDATE FROM DOUG HAGMANN-10:31 PM EASTERN-4/13/14

Special Note: As I stated in my report yesterday, additional information would be forthcoming today (Sunday). To those who object to the lateness of the hour for this report, it should be understood that I rely on my sources at their "convenience" (although convenience does not exist in the realm of exposing the agenda of the feds). Also, this is still a dynamic situation, meaning that federal assets and plans are still in play.

Narrative: As indicated in my report dated yesterday, 12 April 2014, I have been in contact with my primary source within the DHS as well as a secondary source outside of the DC area on multiple occasions throughout today. It is important for people to understand that the "breakdown" of the federal exercise is nearly as methodical and time consuming as the run-up to their arrival. The situation is still fluid, and there are federal assets still being debriefed.

Based on the information obtained from both sources who are known to this investigator but who are requesting anonymity for obvious reasons, however, the federal initiative to claim the land at the center of controversy in Nevada remains intact. Perhaps the most important information derived from both contacts is that the situation is not over. In the words of the DHS source, "they [the BLM and other support agencies] will be back."

According to both sources, plans are being made to physically return on or about the date of the "American Spring," which is scheduled for 16 May 2014. The purpose for choosing that date or approximate time period should be obvious. The most vocal and visible leaders of the patriot movement will be busy organizing and attending the DC event. It is during this period that the BLM and support agencies, by way of their physical presence combined with court actions, is intended.

Additionally, I was advised by a separate intelligence source that it is important for us in the patriot movement to understand that the situation is much more important to the federal government than just the visible components , or the stand-off, at the Bundy ranch alone. Consider the following:

· The current leadership wants to create [2014] as "the summer of rage." They are astutely aware of the difference in public perception between the rural population and the urban areas, and intend to shape public perception against the patriot movement. They are already spinning the situation at the Bundy ranch into a "display of reasonableness" exhibited by the BLM, DHS and all federal agencies.

· The current leadership is attempting to ramp up the rhetoric in the mainstream media about the dangers of the patriotic movement and the threat they posed to life, limb and liberty. Of course, this is untrue. The intent is to cast an even wider net of anti-gun ownership initiatives over those displaying such "radical" tendencies as shown at the Bundy ranch.

· It is important to note that the intelligence source contacted by this investigator stressed that the leadership has every intention to stretch out future stand-offs and events, as such ultimately work to (or will be spun) to their benefit. It is their intent to "game the resolve and practicality of the people.

· Additionally, it must be noted that Cliven Bundy is literally "the last man standing" in the way of this federal land grab. Over four dozen ranchers have fallen victim to the federal land grabs. Clear title to the state-owned land cannot be claimed unless and until all claims to that land, (the Bundy presence) can be removed. As many already know, the intent is for the federal government to hold clear title as collateral and ultimately conveyance to global interests. While many are aware of its value to Harry Reid and others, this is also about the resources under the ground.

Additional updates will be provided as further data is developed from source - and not before.

Apr 13, 2014
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 14, 2014, 12:19:51 PM
so when do we join them?
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 14, 2014, 07:48:09 PM
This is making the rounds on a lot of websites, but I can neither confirm anything nor find the original.  This seems to be the earliest post I've found so far:
http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/a-tactical-retreat/ (http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/a-tactical-retreat/)

I heard reports of the feds confiscating guns three days ago, but this is the first time I've heard of them confiscating and destroying cell phones, so I am suspicious.

+++++

From a person that went there, drove there from L.A.

I rolled into Laughlin really early, like 5:30 am. So many people had shown up, that we decided to leave in groups. A second group to leave at 8Am as scheduled. Ours was a big group too. About two dozen cars, loaded with passengers.

The highway was almost empty until near Mesquite. Then it was a traffic jam. Motor homes, campers, ATVs running along side the freeway, motorcyles, vehicles, every thing you could possibly imagine. Everyone on their way to Bunkersville. Then it about stopped, just inching along. Word traveled down the traffic line that the feds had blocked the road just out of Mesquite and were searching vehicles for weapons and cell phones. Cell phones were confiscated and smashed. The people were given a chit for $30.00 redemption value. I left my phone at home. Some of us that had four wheel drives decided to just leave the road and head overland. As we got closer to the ridge, we were stopped by armed militia. We could not go any further. We could wait, or turn around and go back to the road. Men, that I suspect were special forces, had climbed the ridge from the back side and captured the snipers. They were at that moment coming down the ridge to take them to Mesquite where they would be let go. They weren’t prisoners, they were just going to be replaced by friendlies.

Because of the roadblock on I-15, people refused to be searched, and refused to turn back. They just pulled off the road and parked. It was like a dam backing up a river. Soon the feds were trapped between the Americans who had already gotten through, and the Americans that had been stopped on the highway. The BLM agents went into full panic mode and called for help. LVPD which had REFUSED to show up to help Americans HAD to show up to rescue BLM that was now trapped and helpless. The blockade was SEVEN MILES LONG! That’s a potload of people.

A group of armed Americans along with local cowboys went to Mesquite to liberate the cows that had been confiscated and held by BLM. They were being driven back home in an old fashioned cattle drive. The feds say it was voluntary, don’t believe it.

I was basically standing around twiddling my thumbs when the word came down that the Director of BLM had surrendered and all forces would be withdrawn. I could not go on. The road was blocked and would be blocked probably for the rest of the day at least. A bunch of us turned around and left. It was over. There was THOUSANDS of people there, and more arriving every minute. The ranch, Gold Butte, the entire area was completely surrounded by Americans. The highway was completely blocked in both directions of people trying to get through. Everyone was very peaceful and friendly. No fights or anything. There was a rumor in the line, that some of the mercenaries hired by the feds had defected and were now on the side of the Americans.

I came back and immediately saw this pack of lies and half truths.

At one point, I-15 was closed in both directions, about seven miles south of Mesquite, because protesters had blocked the freeway. Nearly two dozen police officers and a SWAT unit were at the scene to keep the peace and assist the BLM enforcement officers to safely leave the area. They were scared crapless!
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 15, 2014, 09:13:09 AM
Feds are gearing up for round 2.

More agents and equipment arriving at the Bundy Ranch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jer1YidkfPY#)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 15, 2014, 09:17:40 AM
road trip?  :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: TucTom on April 15, 2014, 09:28:53 AM
Vid was posted to youtube on Sunday.

The Feds must have total control over all the mainstream media because everything I've read this morning about a blockade on I 15 talks about the protesters blocking the freeway not the Feds taking phones and guns.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 15, 2014, 10:04:55 AM
Vid was posted to youtube on Sunday.

The Feds must have total control over all the mainstream media because everything I've read this morning about a blockade on I 15 talks about the protesters blocking the freeway not the Feds taking phones and guns.

yeah the feds spin it how they want in the media. most media interviews them.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: part deux on April 15, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
yeah the feds spin it how they want in the media. most media interviews them.
It was stated on one site the media was told to report it a certain way or lose access to things like the white house.

True or not, hard to tell.

On another note, I would be shocked if this plays out before the November election.  After the election, all bests are off.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 15, 2014, 11:32:27 AM
I know a guy in LA who's gathering supplies today and heading out there tomorrow.  The feds are going to come better prepared next time.  :(
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Jeff on April 15, 2014, 11:35:30 AM
People should road block their asses.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 15, 2014, 12:19:46 PM
they had 3 vehicles blocking one of the roads i read. but knowing big bro he would just order his thugs to smash the road block and get thru it
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 15, 2014, 12:27:00 PM
They'd take them out with bulldozers.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 15, 2014, 12:38:21 PM
from what i was told they had 3 swat type vehicles brought out by milita members. they blocked one of the roads to the ranch.

this isnt going to be over. they may retreat breifly to regroup but they wont stop
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Scott Leyder on April 15, 2014, 03:18:42 PM
I like these two video's because I think they show the root of the problem most precisely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwALTdrMZ8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwALTdrMZ8#ws)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFiosLqjoQQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFiosLqjoQQ#ws)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 15, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
Scott, if you edit your post and remove the 's' from 'https' the videos will show inline here.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 15, 2014, 07:58:08 PM
Oath Keeper Founder, Stewart Rhodes Reports From Bundy Ranch: ‘We Know it’s not over’

(http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Show-Down-at-the-Bundy-Ranch.jpg)

Oath Keeper Founder, Stewart Rhodes: "We Know it's not over" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMAEcjIBxw#ws)

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/04/oath-keeper-founder-stewart-rhodes-reports-from-bundy-ranch-we-know-its-not-over/ (http://www.ammoland.com/2014/04/oath-keeper-founder-stewart-rhodes-reports-from-bundy-ranch-we-know-its-not-over/)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Glock9mmOldStyle on April 15, 2014, 08:42:18 PM
Hannity was reporting today that Harry Reid is a investor in a proposed solar farm set to begin construction in the area. This makes sense that his friend and Director of the BLM would take such a heavy handed approach to protect Reid's investments.

There is all sorts of  buggery going on behind the scenes here folks. Hold on to your hats ...it may be a bumpy ride. :(
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 16, 2014, 11:53:07 AM
Some interesting video.  .gov told people to back up or they were going to shoot them, so the people walked forward instead.

The REAL Bundy Ranch Story: Feds Forced to Surrender to American Ctizens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XqdQjTflc#ws)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: detroit_fan on April 16, 2014, 01:13:07 PM
i was talking with an officer the other day and he said not to blame all LEO's for the actions of the bad one's. I told him that unless the "good" LEOs report the bad behavior of the"bad" LEO's, they are just as guilty.

i think the same applies here- these troops know what they are doing is wrong, and every one of them that stands with the government instead of walking over and joining the cowboys are just as guilty as reid and the others in this.

i wish i didn't have 2 small children to care for right now, my ass would be out there with these Americans standing up to this oppressive federal government.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 16, 2014, 01:47:11 PM
well im the LEO's defense. they took an oath as a federal ranger to protect and serve the country and its intrest. their orders come from some overpaid, usually in the pocket of special interests, politician or department leader who is friend of some politician. this is how the government works. it sucks but its reality.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Jeff on April 16, 2014, 05:00:13 PM
Screw that, they know what they are doing is wrong and accept it for their paychecks and power.
Title: Re: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Glock9mmOldStyle on April 16, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Screw that, they know what they are doing is wrong and accept it for their paychecks and power.

Well said, and I agree...as the old saying goes: "saying it's your job, still does not make it right!" Lest , bank robbers would be given a pass. Why should "Reid's rangers" get one?
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 17, 2014, 08:04:17 AM
I know a guy in LA who's gathering supplies today and heading out there tomorrow.  The feds are going to come better prepared next time.  :(

First report from "my guy" (so to speak) on the ground:

+++++

All is well here! Beautiful river type valley and they're herding the cattle with cowboys on horseback as we speak. Very nice folks! I'll take pics tomorrow, got too dark, too fast. Did get to meet Ammon Bundy! Told him, he did good and his country is proud of him. He's the cowboy at the barry-cade who told that Special Ops spook with the Oakley's that "you are leaving!" Very cool to meet him. Gonna stay a few days. Nice people here.

The people that count are still out here keeping a careful eye on things, and while it is calm, the level of alertness is still high. A small .gov plane of some sort was out earlier, from what I was told, and it's good to be aware.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Xpiatio on April 17, 2014, 08:14:05 AM
gryphon,

what outlet is good to keep abreast of the situation. Its getting very narrow stream of news now.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 17, 2014, 01:18:52 PM
Updates:

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You guys are awesome! Just got done with an outdoor ranch style breakfast. Sorry for the late response, I got caught up in meeting so many fellow Citizens! I'm going to cross over into Arizona, in about an hour to help one of the locals with his '34 Chevy panel. It is so cool to be with this band of brothers and sisters. You like-minded guys and gals would do well here. Lying brain-washed Libs, need not apply, unless you want to come around to the right side if things.

They've come from Montana, CO, CA, ID, everywhere! The locals told me, that they had people here from Canada and Finland!

Molon Labe!

+++++

Wow, just saw the recon plane fly over! White Cessna with red or orange markings. Still cruising around in circles as we speak. Remember this is a thirty day no-fly zone. He's circling around and around the main area.

Guys, very important! Spread the word. They shut the cell tower service again, this morning! Seven guys and nobody could get through to report the no fly zone violation!

Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 17, 2014, 01:34:28 PM
Some thoughts from TTAG:

The Department of Interior owns a huge amount of property along the U.S.-Mexico border. The BLM manages it all. No ranchers near there have ever seen the BLM hire snipers, and get militarized law enforcement to line up on our side of the border on BLM managed property aiming their M-16s at the drug pushers and runners and the criminals coming across the border in violation of our sovereignty and laws.

However, snipers and others would aim loaded M-16s at unarmed reporters and producers, women and children to protect a turtle, which was euthanized due to overpopulating, and a grazing permit debt? If anyone does not think there is not something much more involved on this, you are not thinking sanely. My hopes are that Rep. Darrel Issa and his committee will get to the bottom of the situation and find if there are any links with Sen. Harry Reid and his son Rory and any collusion with BLM.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 17, 2014, 03:40:55 PM
Updates:

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You guys are awesome! Just got done with an outdoor ranch style breakfast. Sorry for the late response, I got caught up in meeting so many fellow Citizens! I'm going to cross over into Arizona, in about an hour to help one of the locals with his '34 Chevy panel. It is so cool to be with this band of brothers and sisters. You like-minded guys and gals would do well here. Lying brain-washed Libs, need not apply, unless you want to come around to the right side if things.

They've come from Montana, CO, CA, ID, everywhere! The locals told me, that they had people here from Canada and Finland!

Molon Labe!

+++++

Wow, just saw the recon plane fly over! White Cessna with red or orange markings. Still cruising around in circles as we speak. Remember this is a thirty day no-fly zone. He's circling around and around the main area.

Guys, very important! Spread the word. They shut the cell tower service again, this morning! Seven guys and nobody could get through to report the no fly zone violation!

Dan, not sure if you can get a message to your guy easily, but see if I can get tail numbers of aircraft they see trolling around the AO and let me know what they are.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 17, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
Dan, not sure if you can get a message to your guy easily, but see if I can get tail numbers of aircraft they see trolling around the AO and let me know what they are.

jason bout to do some G14 classified stuff!!
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 17, 2014, 05:05:10 PM
Cessna with the wording "US Dept of the Interior", registration N9304R.

http://whoseplane.com/info/registrant/UNITED-STATES-DEPARTMENT-OF-INTERIOR-N9304R-CESSNA-U206G.html (http://whoseplane.com/info/registrant/UNITED-STATES-DEPARTMENT-OF-INTERIOR-N9304R-CESSNA-U206G.html)

USDOI Cessna U206G out of Boise.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: part deux on April 17, 2014, 06:52:52 PM
Flight Aware may be able to track the tail number... Might because military flights don't show up, including AF1.  Corporations can also request their flights are not tracked.  They have a smart phone app.
http://flightaware.com/ (http://flightaware.com/)

NVM, the last flight recorded was in 2001
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 17, 2014, 07:58:15 PM
Cessna with the wording "US Dept of the Interior", registration N9304R.

http://whoseplane.com/info/registrant/UNITED-STATES-DEPARTMENT-OF-INTERIOR-N9304R-CESSNA-U206G.html (http://whoseplane.com/info/registrant/UNITED-STATES-DEPARTMENT-OF-INTERIOR-N9304R-CESSNA-U206G.html)

USDOI Cessna U206G out of Boise.

Well, that explains the TFR busting.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 17, 2014, 07:59:41 PM
jason bout to do some G14 classified stuff!!

Heh, nah, was just gonna hit the FAA aircraft registry, but Dan beat me to it.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 17, 2014, 08:01:00 PM
Flight Aware may be able to track the tail number... Might because military flights don't show up, including AF1.  Corporations can also request their flights are not tracked.  They have a smart phone app.
http://flightaware.com/ (http://flightaware.com/)

NVM, the last flight recorded was in 2001

Plus that's only going to show if they're running an IFR flight plan as well. I'm not sure, but it might include VFR plans w/ flight following.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: part deux on April 17, 2014, 09:25:06 PM
It does include VFR with flight following.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 12:13:14 AM
Just got some pics in email.  This forum doesn't resize the pics for display, so if they are a problem for people here, let me know and I'll make them smaller.

His faithful buddy, Shop Dog.  She's a girl.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/1.jpg)

He helped a local out with his 34' today.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/2.jpg)

A few pics from the ranch.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/3.jpg)

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/4.jpg)

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/5.jpg)

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/6.jpg)
Title: Calling All Oath Keepers to Stand Watch at Bundy Ranch
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 09:41:27 AM
(http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Protester-Eric-Parker-from-central-Idaho.jpg)

Protester Eric Parker from central Idaho aims his weapon from a bridge next to the Bureau of Land Management’s base camp.

Las Vegas, NV - First, at the moment things are quiet here. 99% of the rumors on the internet are either blatantly false or wildly inaccurate.

No strong presence of federal agents has been seen. Remnants of BLM’s recent sojourn here are still present, such as the lights they had put up at their “field-headquarters” and no doubt we are under surveillance of all kinds, but there is no overt, visible massing of federal law enforcement.

We are, however concerned that the domestic enemies of the Constitution that infest the federal government might try to take advantage of folks going home, and attempt to make a move on the Bundy family. We feel certain that they will want to try again at some point, perhaps in a different way, even perhaps by executing a dynamic entry raid to attempt to arrest the Bundys. And we have heard that this is being discussed, though I have not been able to directly confirm it. But it is a real risk.

Therefore, to prevent such a raid, or to at least throw a monkey wrench into any such plans and make it more difficult for them, we’re doing the following:
That is not because there is any great emergency, but is a preventative measure – sort of like doing a rotation on the DMZ.

I am urging each and every Oath Keepers member who can, to get here and spend a bit of time to ensure that the Bundys are not alone. We need boots on the ground. We want you here, standing watch, which is appropriate for us Oath Keepers since our motto is “Not on Our Watch.”

We have six Oath Keepers here from New Hampshire (one of whom – Jerry DeLemus – is now the head of security for the ranch). We have one woman, Lori Storm, who drove down by herself from Nebraska, and one of our Board members from Nebraska, Steve Homan, is also here. We’ve got people here from Montana, Utah, Arizona, California, and Washington State. People are here from all over the country.

But people, however dedicated, will get burnt out and we need others to rotate in. We need you to step up and serve your turn on watch. We are raising money to help with gasoline – just be sure to save all receipts for reimbursement.
I will not ask you to do anything I am not willing to do myself. So, even though I have been away from my home and family since April 10 2014, I am still here, and I will remain here through April 19 2014, standing watch with the others. I was supposed to be speaking at a rally in Idaho on that day, but I canceled that because I need to be here to lead by example by also pulling a watch stint.

And I can think of no better place to be on April 19 than on ground where modern patriots followed the example of the Founders and stood firm in defense of liberty. Like their forefathers before them who stood at Lexington and Concord, they refused to bend the knee to tyranny, and they stood their ground. And that spot of ground may go down in history as the birthplace of the next American Revolution, where the tide was turned, and the people stood up.

About:

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution. Visit: www.oathkeepers.org (http://www.oathkeepers.org)

(http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Oath-Keepers-Logo.jpg)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 09:59:54 AM
Update, Bunkerville, NV, 2:47 AM PST. Wow, just had a guy who pulled up on a street bike, with just a blanket! He rode over 600 miles, all night long from Oakland, CA! I squared him away with some grub and we talked for a bit. Like the rest of us, he felt 'The Pull' and he had to come out! Very cool! Gives me confidence in our people.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 10:15:30 AM
Update:

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/7.jpg)

Nevada sunrise this morning

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/8.jpg)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: TucTom on April 18, 2014, 10:45:20 AM
You do realize that if I had someone pointing a weapon at me I would not like it. If the Americans at the Bundy ranch were to have weapons pointed at them they would be going crazy.

But in the photo above  Eric Parker is aiming his at someone (I assume) and it is okay???
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
If the Americans at the Bundy ranch were to have weapons pointed at them they would be going crazy.

The Americans at the Bundy Ranch *did* have weapons pointed at them.  I don't know who/what Parker had his weapon pointed toward.  Possibly the BLM sharpshooters that were skylining.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Jeff on April 18, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
The Americans had guns pointed at them a lot.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 11:05:43 AM
This is the guy sending me the updates and pics.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/9.jpg)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 12:02:50 PM
Who aimed their rifles at whom first?  So no one should use the 2A for what it was intended for because if we do they’ll take it away which is precisely what it was intended for. Got it.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/sharpshooters.png)

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/bundybridge.png)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 12:18:56 PM
Update:

This guy rode over 600 miles last night, arriving at 2 am, and slept in the dirt with that comforter on the seat.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/12.jpg)

I just met this gent and he's come all the way from Australia to be here!

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/13.jpg)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: TucTom on April 18, 2014, 12:41:40 PM
The Americans at the Bundy Ranch *did* have weapons pointed at them.  I don't know who/what Parker had his weapon pointed toward.  Possibly the BLM sharpshooters that were skylining.
Two wrongs still don't make a right. Lets say the government uses that photo as a "reason" to do something else. What are the antis going to do or say?  I am not arguing what has happened I am arguing that the people there need to realize what can be used against them in the view of anybody who either has no clue as to what is happening or don't care. Because there are more people in this country who have no clue.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 18, 2014, 12:53:39 PM
Two wrongs still don't make a right. Lets say the government uses that photo as a "reason" to do something else. What are the antis going to do or say?  I am not arguing what has happened I am arguing that the people there need to realize what can be used against them in the view of anybody who either has no clue as to what is happening or don't care. Because there are more people in this country who have no clue.

If that's the case, then we might as well just put down our firearms and let criminals kill us as well.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 01:21:36 PM
Two wrongs still don't make a right.
Who said it was wrong?  Who said it was even illegal?  If you point your gun at a guy in 7-11 who has his gun out pointed at someone else, are you in the wrong?

You know what was wrong and illegal?  The Boston Tea Party.  The Declaration of Independence.  The American Revolution.  Those were all illegal.

Right or wrong, there is a clear message to the feds here, and it comes after the increased militarization of law enforcement and continued heavy handed abuses handed to Americans over the years. 

As I said elsewhere, this is not about Bundy, or at least it isn't about Bundy any longer. It is about the .gov now. This isn't something that was pre-planned this way by either side, but it's something that's already been set in motion. This may only be the first battle, and in the end this particular battle may be lost. People recognize that. I hesitate to reference Lexington and Concord, but it may be a prelude. Only history will tell us that.

Sometimes if you squeeze the tube hard enough, toothpaste comes out where you didn't expect it to. The .gov has been squeezing the country. This may be the first hole in the toothpaste tube, and it's mighty hard to get the toothpaste back in the tube sometimes.  Cliven Bundy said it himself in his opening remarks at a packed town hall meeting, to which he got applause: "This ain't about the Cattle."

'The Last Rancher Standing' struck a chord with a lot of people that see it as a perfect example of what they themselves experience daily -- a government that never stops getting bigger and bigger by the day. A government that spies on us. That regulates, taxes, and imposes on us. That thinks it can come in with brute force and take away whatever it decides is bad today, and we'd better just lie down and take it, because, as Hillary famously said, "What difference does it make?"  A government that can let the US Embassy in Benghazi be attacked for four hours and do nothing about it, or drug smugglers run roughshod over private as well as BLM-managed territory in the West, but God forbid that you've got some cows eating grass.  You ever see BLM sharpshooters protecting us from real dangers to our country, armed drug cartels moving drugs on BLM land?

There is supposed to be a large showing at the ranch soon.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Xpiatio on April 18, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
Thank you guys for all the updates to what is happening over in Nevada. 
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
Report from the ground.  People are pouring in now.  More to follow.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 03:43:01 PM
Update:

Setting up for a concert.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/14.jpg)

Rick Bundy's happy with the results.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/15.jpg)

Some of the "Domestic Terrorists" that they're considering sending a Federal Task Force against.  These are very dangerous people!

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/16.jpg)

Future domestic terrorists.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/17.jpg)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 04:05:30 PM
Update:

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/18.jpg)

Jeff from Michigan,  a fellow domestic terrorist.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/19.jpg)

Ammon Bundy, helping to move the flat.

(http://home.comcast.net/~a3000/img/bundy/20.jpg)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 18, 2014, 04:08:25 PM
Update: Only one recon flight today so far. A long slow high altitude pass by one aircraft unlike the circling scouting moves for twenty minutes at low altitude, by two separate Cessnas.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Jeff on April 18, 2014, 08:51:36 PM
Hello my name is "Domestic Terrorist" I haven't laughed so hard in a week.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: detroit_fan on April 19, 2014, 12:40:17 PM
Two wrongs still don't make a right. Lets say the government uses that photo as a "reason" to do something else.

you don't think the gov't can produce their own "evidence" to "justify" a raid without one of those pics? They can make anyone look like they are doing anything, that man is meeting force with force, i applaud him.

 What are the antis going to do or say?

Who f****** cares! All of a sudden we care what anti's think? Anti's are not on our side anyways, why in the hell would we be pandering to them, do they care what we think or say?


 I am not arguing what has happened I am arguing that the people there need to realize what can be used against them in the view of anybody who either has no clue as to what is happening or don't care. Because there are more people in this country who have no clue.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 19, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
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Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 19, 2014, 05:53:24 PM
Final report from our intrepid reporter on the ground.

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Ain't it amazing that it's only 12:15 PM and it already feels like a long weekend, for some strange reason...

Got home at nearly midnight.  Damn, I was beat.  Stressed.  Pissed.  Long unexpected detours.  Late morning at the shop, looked over the project cars and came upon my decal, now a little less sticky.

They passed them out to everybody, kids, women, seniors, Oathkeepers and everybody had one.  It was funny, but at the same time it was almost like those Guy Fawkes masks were.  No need to know your name, we know each other well.  Nobody called us, we got in whatever we could get in and got there.  It wasn't convenient, it wasn't easy (It wasn't cheap!  I owned nothing to rough it).

It was actually an OK thing, that some biker pulled up alongside at 2AM in the morning and I fed him.  Followed by a Retired Aussie Cop and his wife later that morning.  Think about it.  They got on a Jumbo jet and flew an expensive, long and fatiguing flight,  that probably came to LAX,  then got a rental car an either drove or flew to Vegas.

And they weren't there yet!  It's a long remote drive through vast territory, sharp hard peaks, finishing by dropping into the Virgin River Gorge and finally into our place of gathering.   It amazed me that they came out to support the Yanks!  They know the weight of The Crown, and just voted out their 'Green' Government.

The Oakland biker got on his bike sometime Thursday night in the San Francisco Bay area and tells himself and his unhappy second wife, "I'm going to Nevada tonight", even with the threat of divorce.  He rode all night, headlight burning through the desert night, with a dirty comforter bungee strapped to his bike and he's going to sleep in the soft dirt, with just that?

Why would Aussie and Oakland just show up?  And just do it.  Didn't even give it a second thought.  Amazing, isn't it?  Then a gent pulled up on a 'Glide from New Mexico.  I picked up and handed him a flat rock for his kickstand and he appreciated the gesture.  So now we have LA County, New Mexico, Australia and Oakland, standing around and it is not even an awkward conversation, no social hesitation, nada.

I think you'd have to be in denial to admit that there's a huge unheard ground swell of unhappiness right under the surface.  We who know, know what's going on.

The Pull

I felt it, did others too?  I asked. The people I talked to all readily admitted to feeling that exact same thing, without a doubt.  No funny looks, like 'what are you talking about?'  You had to follow it.  It was scary, but weird.  It was very collective, no leadership need apply, Tea Party included.  A mass action without a command given.  Amazing, isn't it?

Inconvenience was a given.  I took a bath in the brush like a terr...  I ate hard rations and slept in the back of a Focus wagon, with my feet hanging out in the air out the back.  I made coffee on a rock I tipped  over at the bottom of the road embankment and that's where I whipped out my nice little stove that will fit in your pocket and perked me up some boiling water.  I just grabbed stuff at the Sporting Goods store and it wasn't till I got to the camp and peeled the sticker off the pot that I realized I paid $50 for that Titanium and said to myself, "Nice."

A US Senator, a Majority Leader goes on (and gets instant coverage, unlike the start of this story) and declares infamously and wearing the exact kind of sunglasses you'd want to wear coming out of a black car in Vegas, "It's Not Over."   Sinister too.  Does not like losing.  My interpretation of that is a threat, is it not?

Believe it, it became spooky late at night in that Nevada Desert with the windows wide open in your station wagon, hatchback up and looking up at the very bright moon.  You waited for the far off beat of chopper blades, building up in volume as they got closer.  Far off, the hard crunch of gravel.  It was uneasy...

Earlier that day, two Cessnas from the BLM circled and circled in slow lazy circles.  Click.  Click.  Click.  Doesn't that make you feel just, oh so secure...

Let's move on. Senior Senator then declares the next day that all his [Bundy's] supporters are "Domestic Terrorists."  Absolute top tier official, with close friends like Obama, Hillary and Nancy, loves Hillary for president, declaring that we were now full blown FBI filed 'Persons of Interest.'  Oakland, Michigan, New Hampshire, Australia, New Mexico and on and on.  Every walk of life, from law enforcement Oathkeepers to bikers and foreigners, but all of them friends, so wearing that homemade patch that bright Friday Morning, April 18th was more than wearing a little piece of paper. 

Want to hear a funny thing?  Somebody called my Shop Partner and asked him his opinions about 'planes circling around' and that he was doing an 'interview?'  My partner said rightfully that he didn't know anything about that.  Funny thing, I never gave his number out to anybody.  Isn't that amazing?

I look over my dirty car, unfurled sleeping bag, all covered in the fine talcum powder dust of the riverbed.  I look at my reflection, my four day old beard, haggard and tired look and wonder...

(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb137/STPbeme/18_zpsb09400d4.jpg)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: TexasSupporter on April 19, 2014, 08:09:39 PM
Who said it was wrong?  Who said it was even illegal?  If you point your gun at a guy in 7-11 who has his gun out pointed at someone else, are you in the wrong?

You know what was wrong and illegal?  The Boston Tea Party.  The Declaration of Independence.  The American Revolution.  Those were all illegal.

Right or wrong, there is a clear message to the feds here, and it comes after the increased militarization of law enforcement and continued heavy handed abuses handed to Americans over the years. 

As I said elsewhere, this is not about Bundy, or at least it isn't about Bundy any longer. It is about the .gov now. This isn't something that was pre-planned this way by either side, but it's something that's already been set in motion. This may only be the first battle, and in the end this particular battle may be lost. People recognize that. I hesitate to reference Lexington and Concord, but it may be a prelude. Only history will tell us that.

Sometimes if you squeeze the tube hard enough, toothpaste comes out where you didn't expect it to. The .gov has been squeezing the country. This may be the first hole in the toothpaste tube, and it's mighty hard to get the toothpaste back in the tube sometimes.  Cliven Bundy said it himself in his opening remarks at a packed town hall meeting, to which he got applause: "This ain't about the Cattle."

'The Last Rancher Standing' struck a chord with a lot of people that see it as a perfect example of what they themselves experience daily -- a government that never stops getting bigger and bigger by the day. A government that spies on us. That regulates, taxes, and imposes on us. That thinks it can come in with brute force and take away whatever it decides is bad today, and we'd better just lie down and take it, because, as Hillary famously said, "What difference does it make?"  A government that can let the US Embassy in Benghazi be attacked for four hours and do nothing about it, or drug smugglers run roughshod over private as well as BLM-managed territory in the West, but God forbid that you've got some cows eating grass.  You ever see BLM sharpshooters protecting us from real dangers to our country, armed drug cartels moving drugs on BLM land?

There is supposed to be a large showing at the ranch soon.

Hmmmm.. that was well said...
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Pond Scum on April 19, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
gryphon, thank your friend for going to Nevada and taking the time to write some first hand reports.  His personal feelings and observations really pull at my heart.  We won't read anything like that in the main stream media........
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 19, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
I know this will be TL;DR for Q, but if anyone is interested, here is a lot of background on this and similar illegal actions by the BLM in the past.  See referenced court cases. 

+++++

The Bundy case is the very definition of “government overreach.”

With Western ranchers, legally (not that the .gov cares) the BLM cannot ‘sell off rights’ to various commercial interests to build on those lands unless the likes of the Bundys sell off their generational preemptive and prescriptive usage/grazing/foraging rights. That is why they’re so eager to push the Bundys out. And why, systematically, they've already been able to push out the Bundys 52 other neighboring ranchers.

To simplify, the BLM was ‘sold’ (advertised) to the public as essentially a property manager who were paid by the apartment complex owners to manage the property. Yet, they used the management fees amassed over the years to buy off the properties, to kick them out, with full assumed right to change the original employer-employee-for-hire contract on the fly, then to flipping it, where the employee-for-hire, is now dictating to the lawful property owner what the new terms are and will be.

As Marbury v. Madison (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/5/137) re-affirms, unconstitutional laws aren't laws at all:
So, even with a distinct shift to more centralization post-1864 Lincoln antebellum south, with corrupt statists in govt, the Federal govt, under the Enclave Clause, within Article I, Section 8 of explicitly limited enumerated powers, except for Washington D.C. and U.S. territories, along with federal government buildings founded for constitutional functions, the federal government cannot own any land or property, period.

The BLM, and the federal government as a whole, is acting no differently than a deluded secretary who, after working for the CEO and managing his schedule for decades, starts telling everyone that she owns the company herself, believes it, and worse--acts on it.

Property ownership is strictly reserved to the People, and the States, as per the 9th and 10th Amendment's guarantees and affirmations, regardless of what a guild of delusional secretaries claim to have the ‘right’ to own the company, repeated, perpetually: Article I, Section 8. of the Constitution for the United States of America.

Like the gun debate, the particulars of the Western ranching laws are really only familiar to those who are interested in the subject matter, or bothered to look into it, or grew up around it.

Here’s a similar case just last year of another NV rancher, E. Wayne Hage, in which the residing Federal Judge, not a Nevada State judge, stated explicitly that the local, state, federal governemnt/BLM “entered into…a literal, intentional conspiracy, to deprive” the rancher of his rights!

Judge Blasts Federal Conspiracy; Ranch Family Vindicated — Again! (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/13490-judge-blasts-federal-conspiracy-ranch-family-vindicated-%E2%80%94-again)
Written by William F. Jasper
Monday, 19 November 2012 00:00

“So I’m finding and concluding as a matter of law,” said the judge, “that the government and the agents of the government in that locale, sometime in the ’70s and ’80s, entered into a conspiracy, a literal, intentional conspiracy, to deprive the Hages of not only their permit grazing rights, for whatever reason, but also to deprive them of their vested property rights under the takings clause, and I find that that’s a sufficient basis to hold that there is irreparable harm if I don’t — and it’s in the public interest, if I don’t restrain the government from continuing in that conduct.”

Federal Judge Rules for Property Rights, Smacks Down Abusive Feds (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15602-federal-judge-rules-for-property-rights-smacks-down-abusive-feds)
Written by William F. Jasper
Monday, 03 June 2013 16:06

In an historic 104-page ruling, Chief Judge Robert C. Jones of the Federal District Court of Nevada has struck a major blow for property rights and, at the same time, has smacked down federal agencies that have been riding roughshod over Western ranchers and property owners. The long-awaited ruling, which had been expected before the end of last year, was finally issued at the end of May. The court case, U.S. v. Hage, has been keenly watched by legal analysts and constitutional scholars — but has been completely ignored by the major media.

Government’s Shocking Interference in Rancher’s Life (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/11/court-rebuffs-government-overreach-in-nevada/)
Hans von Spakovsky
June 11, 2013 at 1:30 pm

A startling decision on government wrongdoing by a federal court in U.S. v. Estate of E. Wayne Hage gives credence to those who say that the federal government is engaging in a “war on the West” that is hurting rural communities. It is a stark reminder of how powerful our federal government is today and how it can ruin the lives and businesses of American citizens.

The 104-page opinion by U.S. District Court Judge Robert C. Jones on May 23 in Nevada tells a sordid and infuriating tale of a two-decades-long conspiracy among federal employees of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) of the Department of the Interior to deny the grazing rights of a Nevada ranching family, interfere with their water rights, and destroy their cattle business by scaring away their customers.

The case has long, complicated procedural history, but in essence, the federal government in 1991 refused to renew a grazing permit that the Hage ranch had held on federal lands for a very long time. The government also interfered with the Hage family’s water rights, which pre-dated the implementation of the grazing permit system in 1934, by restricting their access to various streams and wells. The BLM seized the Hages’ cattle and filed a civil trespass action against Hage, at one point even building fences around waterways to keep thirsty cattle from getting water, a scene right out of a 1930s Western movie.


When the BLM was there last week, federal agents destroyed much of the grazing infrastructure on the land, including water lines, water tanks, troughs, corrals, and fences.  But they didn't stop there. Federal agents killed about 40 head of cattle including some within pens, and threw many into a mass grave.

Some more reading for y'all:

Fellow rancher’s viral letter explains so much about why ranchers support ‘hero’ Bundy (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/16/fellow-ranchers-viral-letter-explains-so-much-about-why-ranchers-support-hero-bundy-112751)
excerpts:
Ranchers vs. Regulators: The Clark County Range War (http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2014/04/ranchers-vs-regulators-clark-county.html)
Did BLM Bury Bundy Cattle In Mass Grave? WARNING, GRAPHIC IMAGES (http://benswann.com/did-blm-bury-bundy-cattle-in-mass-grave-warning-graphic-images/)
RED CANYON SHEEP CO. et al. v. ICKES, Secretary of Interior, et al. (http://www.leagle.com/decision/193840698F2d308_1319.xml/RED%20CANYON%20SHEEP%20CO.%20v.%20ICKES)

If anyone actually reads through the BLM and other govt documents linked in the following, one would literally have to be naive, and political reality-clueless, to NOT think that Harry Reid has personal stake, in the outcome of the Bundy's case.

The BLM Impoundment Plan, Who Prepared It, and Their Scrubbed Contact Information (http://www.dailypaul.com/317039/the-blm-impoundment-plan-who-prepared-it-and-their-scrubbed-contact-information)
Thu, 04/17/2014

Oh, just in case some of y’all may not have noticed, yes, Harry Reid is one dirty politician.

Indicted Businessman Names Harry Reid as Alleged Recipient of Massive Bribe (http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/04/17/indicted-businessman-names-harry-reid-alleged-recipient-massive-bribe/)
Posted on 17 April, 2014

Utah A.G. tied to alleged scheme (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home3/55598812-200/johnson-swallow-rawle-attorney.html.csp)
Embattled St. George businessman Jeremy Johnson says new Utah Attorney General John Swallow helped broker a deal in 2010 in which Johnson believed he was to pay Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid $600,000 to make a federal investigation into Johnson's company go away.

Obama Accused By Congressman Of Illegal Action At Bundy Ranch (http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-pens-letter-obama-blasting-lawless-blm/)
He cites a severe violation of U.S. Code — 43 U.S.C. Section 1733, Subsection C
B. Christopher Agee — April 18, 2014

BLM Whistleblower (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNGJXDuLkdI)
BUNDY RANCH | You saw his proof. Now meet BLM Whistleblower Rusty Hill who uncovered the corporations and shady land deals connected to Reid Bunkerville LLC, Zion Bank Corp, and BLM lands surrounding the Bundy properties.
Title: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: TheQ on April 20, 2014, 11:34:15 AM
My prediction: the Feds wait until everyone gets bored, goes back home to their jobs (most people have to at some point), then the Feds roll in the tanks....
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: SD40VE on April 21, 2014, 08:14:53 AM
My prediction: the Feds wait until everyone gets bored, goes back home to their jobs (most people have to at some point), then the Feds roll in the tanks....

very possible
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 21, 2014, 11:04:16 AM
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Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: jgillmanjr on April 21, 2014, 02:21:20 PM
http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/ (http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/)

URL is kind of misleading - no actual massacre.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on April 27, 2014, 08:58:44 PM
This is pretty good.

Judge Jeanine Pirro Skewers Harry Reid for Lies, Abuse of Power, and Chutzpah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vev634mcJSM#ws)
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: m.marino on April 28, 2014, 05:37:04 AM
My prediction: the Feds wait until everyone gets bored, goes back home to their jobs (most people have to at some point), then the Feds roll in the tanks....

That might work except that you have OK having put out a request for volunteers to help set up a rota at the Bundy ranch and other groups are also working with member to be able to maintain a constant rota at the ranch as well as a few other sites that are hot issues. That combined with Senator Reid's rather open threat at those who are supporting the Bundy family. Combined with more and more information being put out that this is not a one off, but a continuing issues of federal abuse and things most likely will get a good bit hotter before it is resolved.

I personally, hope that the up coming elections can help change things towards a more constructive restoring of the proper balance of rule of law (constitutional law, not strong arm thuggery, nor progressive left wing agendas).  I hope but in all honesty don't see it happening considering the continued use of electronic voting in many states.
Title: Bundy family addresses unanswered questions
Post by: gryphon on April 28, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
This is a little bit of a long read, but it has some additional interesting background on what took place at the ranch, particularly with regard to the sheriff and one deputy. You can probably skip the first part and go straight to the sub-heading The blow up.

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Heather Hamilton-Maude
Tri-State Livestock News (http://www.tsln.com/news/11160796-113/blm-bundy-ammon-cattle)
April 26, 2014

“To me, the only reason the federal government would act this way is to have unlimited power. They want to assume the sovereignty, laws and land, and policing power. Not only do they assume these things, they believe they already have them. When they were challenged, their response was to show me I have none of these things,” began Cliyven Bundy of the reason behind the BLM’s (Bureau of Land Management) recent show of force against him and his family’s operation.

The history of grazing fees

It has been 20 years since Bundy paid a grazing fee to the BLM, a major point of contention to some. But the issue is far deeper and more complex than that single statement reads.

“There are multiple angles to explain on this topic. What I would like to express more than anything is that the BLM does not own the land. In other words, it is not federal land, it is state land. A lot of people, even ranchers, think they’re buying grass or pasture when they pay a grazing fee or permit, but that is incorrect. That grass is theirs by preemptive rights by beneficial use, and those rights began when that grazing use began – 137 years ago in my case. What you pay the BLM for is management and range improvements. Of every dollar spent on grazing fees, 12.5 percent is supposed to go the BLM for managing the land, and the other 80-some percent is supposed to come back to the land as range improvements. When you look at the law those are the only two purposes for your grazing fees.

“So, go back 20 years to when I quit paying grazing fees to the federal government. The administrative regulatory pressure at the time was being used to run myself and my neighbors out of business. They came along with a full force and effect decision on the basis of an endangered species, and said we couldn’t graze for three to four months in the peak of the spring. That was followed by another full force and effect decision that said the land was totally closed to grazing. In that process my neighbors, 52 ranching families in Clark County and hundreds of others across the Mohave Desert to the Pacific Ocean, were run out of business. I chose to send administrative notices to the solitary offices and BLM district office in Reno, Nev., stating I was not going to allow the BLM to manage my ranch out of business, and would not pay them for their management services anymore, and I didn’t,” said Bundy.

Upon his decision to stop paying a fee and sign the associated contract, Bundy cleared himself of contract of law with the federal government as stated in the Constitution, eliminating any ties between himself and that government, he says.

“That is a difference between myself and most ranchers. Without a permit I can keep myself clean of their courts, and challenge them on the basis of state sovereignty, asking whether the federal government or the people of Nevada own the land in question. When they’re questioned in this manner, they either have to prove they have the authority, or the other side, Bundy in this case, wins. I consider Nevada a sovereign state with its own law and rights, which I abide by in full,” he said, adding he would have no issues paying a grazing fee to the proper authority of Clark County, Nev., which he has done. Bundy said he has submitted payment to the county. After cashing the check, the county tried to return it but Bundy did not accept the return and the county has the funds in their account as of today.

The blow up

“We have known about the BLM’s proposed roundup for some time, and their reasoning that we were not adhering by their codes or laws, giving them the right to remove our cattle,” said Cliven’s son Ammon Bundy.

However, what the Bundy family was not prepared for was the size, scope and intensity of the BLM’s operation or the response of their friends and neighbors across America, who they refer to as “We the People.”

“Two things surprised me in this. One was that the government would spend that much, I think it was $3 million or more, on this project, and that they actually took over the policing power of the state and county and labeled us ‘domestic terrorists.’ I didn’t expect them to go to force with snipers, ground force and fully armed men. That was a little overwhelming,” said Cliven.

Ammon agreed, adding the agency brought about 200 vehicles, counting the contract cowboys and federal agents, into the area and set up what he referred to as a compound on March 27.

“The hills around the ranch were covered with agents and vehicles. You could see helicopters, vehicles on every road, and wherever there was a larger space between roads they had cameras set up. They literally had the whole place on lockdown, and everywhere they went it was a pack that included a contract cowboy, agents, and five to six armed vehicles following front and back. If anyone stepped off a road, they would immediately go and hassle them,” said Ammon.

Incidents between the BLM and Bundy supporters occurred with increasing frequency, and climaxed on Saturday, April 12 when 300-plus people and approximately 50 horsemen converged on the federal forces in a washout off I-15 with the intent of making them put down their weapons, release the Bundy cattle, and leave the area.

“The second thing that was surprising was how the people rebelled as a whole and said ‘no more’ to the point they actually faced the federal guns and moved them. What a story,” said Cliven.

It was the people, not the Bundy family, who insisted on the release of the cattle during a 9 a.m. public press conference that same Saturday between the local sheriff and the Bundys to discuss negotiations. Ammon explained that the sheriff was neutralized on the issue, and would not even respond to 911 calls placed by Bundy family members or their supporters during any of the altercations with the BLM personnel.

“The sheriff announced at the press conference, following its opening with a prayer and the pledge of allegiance, that the BLM was leaving the area and would stop collecting cattle, but needed a week to get out. There were between 1,500 and 2,000 people in attendance, and they are who raised the question of what would be done with the cattle already collected. The word was the BLM would not release those cattle, and the people wouldn’t have it.

“After a very short conversation back and forth, my father gave the sheriff one hour to communicate that to the BLM. When the cattle weren’t released the people literally got in their vehicles and drove up I-15 to the site where the cattle were held. They were met by approximately 100 fully armed agents dressed in full tactical gear, helmets and everything else,” said Ammon.

As seen in multiple online videos, the group peacefully and slowly converged on the BLM’s blockade, choosing to ignore threats that they would be shot if they came closer, and requests to have an individual come forward alone. Dan Love of Oregon BLM was the head officer, and met them at the portable panel fence with additional threats and attempts at manipulation, Ammon said.

“He was basically saying we needed to back down, and we were replying that we wouldn’t, and the entire time there were weapons on us from about 20 feet away. Then something very relieving happened – down the wash on the BLM side comes one of our sheriff deputies named Tom Roberts with a guard. He said he was there for us, tell him what we wanted him to do. I replied that short of not allowing us to finish what we came to do, we would follow his orders,” said Ammon.

Love “attempted to manipulate” Tom Roberts until Ammon loudly proclaimed that Love did not have any authority, but that Roberts was the authority of the people and who they would listen to, Ammon said.

“Roberts demanded the BLM back down and put their arms down, which they did. He asked us to back off also, then basically had a conversation with us asking what we wanted. We explained we wanted the BLM out of there, and that we would give them 30 minutes to get the first vehicle out. He relayed that and they began backing up and got their vehicles completely away from us. We were extremely happy. At 30 minutes they sent a single vehicle out, then at about 45 minutes to an hour the rest left in a convoy of 107 vehicles and fled to Utah,” said Ammon, adding they left generators running, personal belongings, vehicles and numerous other items behind in their haste to leave.

At that point the cattle were released and trailed down the wash and out of the BLM’s temporary corral.

“Traffic was backed up on I-15 for 80 miles for four hours. There were thousands of people lined up on the freeway and along the edge of the wash. When those cattle came down the people were hugging and cheering and crying – it was an amazing experience,” said Ammon.

Everyone followed the cattle back to the protest site, and immediately began celebrating their victory. But Ammon, his brother and a small group took the time to walk back to the wash and lay down the panels between the wash and the BLM’s compound.

“We took the time to quietly lay down probably around 100 panels to symbolize that our cattle were not going to be stolen, that our people would not have arms pressed against them and that we have freedoms and rights as Americans,” explained Ammon.

Cliven added that while intense, the people had no fear because they knew they were within their constitutional rights as well as those of the Lord.

Going forward

On a personal level, the Bundy family continues cleaning up the damage, caring for injured livestock, looking for additional sick, injured or dead livestock and taking note of the destruction of water lines, troughs and storage tanks. The BLM claimed to have gathered 384 head, but with the dead toll included, the Bundy’s have only recovered 352 head thus far. They remain uncertain whether there are additional dead on the property, they were hauled off the ranch or the BLM’s count was inaccurate.

Ammon said that watching his cattle gathered by helicopter at a run on 90-degree days, with no regard for their health or the separation of cows and their calves was particularly difficult on Cliven. While also a struggle for he and his brothers, Ammon said they were able to stay focused on their goal of breaking the federal government’s pattern of taking control of land and removing the people from it.

“We knew if the federal government was successful in locking down this land and oppressing us by force that it would never end. They drew the line, and we had to cross it. It’s about understanding and then standing for what’s right. You have to be willing to do whatever it takes to make it right. The fight is not just for you, your ranch or even your livelihood, it’s ultimately for our country,” he said.

Cliven added that the current problem in the western U.S. is the fact they have a contract with the federal government through grazing permits. Clearing those contracts and returning power to the sovereign states and counties is what he calls the first step in literally disarming the U.S. bureaucracy.

“The BLM and Forest Service people do not need to have guns. If they want to exercise their second amendment right and carry a gun, they should be able to. But they should not have a government issued weapon they carry to work when wearing their uniform. They work as public servants, and should be acting like boy scouts, not an army,” explained Cliven.

He said that if actions aren’t taken to reduce the power of the federal bureaucracy, he fears for civil war within the country.

“They are already the strongest army in the world – the army within America by the bureaucrats is. They are well armed and well outfitted with the finest equipment available. They just bought how many thousands of bullets, not to shoot at a foreign enemy, but to shoot at American citizens. We can’t allow that to happen,” said Cliven.

To begin the process, he suggested first eliminating any contracts a producer has with the federal government, then working with local and state governments to make necessary changes.

“Call your county sheriff and ask them to take those guns away. This is a big deal for our industry, it should be we the people of the states and counties that own this land, then as ranchers we have preemptive rights by beneficial use for grazing, just as others have similar rights for hunting, fishing, riding, mining, etc.” said Cliven.

Ammon said that he would classify the Bundy ranch as being about the “freest in the entire country,” right now, adding that as of the BLM pulling out it was reopened to 4-wheelers, camping, horseback riding and cattle grazing.

“Harry Reid has been threatening us all week with little comments. He’s calling us violent domestic terrorists, and has said, ‘something will happen,’ in a pretense that seems to want civil war. We are the Bundy Bunkerville ranch domestic terrorists, but we are also, ‘We the People,’ American ranchers who took control back, and we’re proud of it,” said Cliven.
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on May 09, 2014, 08:55:47 AM
FBI Targets Bundy Supporters

Asked if there would be consequences for somebody recorded on video tape or a news camera pointing a gun at a Metro officer or a federal ranger, Lombardo said yes.

“There is definitely going to be consequences, definitely. That is unacceptable behavior. If we let it go, it would continue into the future,” he said.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/report-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters/ (http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/report-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters/)
Title: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: TheQ on May 09, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
It would be anarchy!

DEA Fed ppl pointing guns at peaceful ppl = ok

Others pointing guns at Fed officials who have guns and have demonstrated aggressive intent = not OK


...got it
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Scott Leyder on May 09, 2014, 12:36:29 PM
As far as I am concerned every individual has to make the choice to stand for freedom or the state and that does not stop due to your employer.  If I am working for an employer that asks me to break the law then I can do what he wants and run the risk of jail when the law catches up or I can tell him to shove it.  Either way I have a decision to make and these officers have no excuse for making the wrong one.  I don't really like how any of this unfolded but, freedom and the state seem to be on a collision course and it is simply not a good situation for any of us.  This being said I think this Josie outlaw video is a perfect fit for this situation. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOsN-P5abVg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOsN-P5abVg)
Title: Re: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: Glock9mmOldStyle on May 09, 2014, 10:06:04 PM
It would be anarchy!

DEA Fed ppl pointing guns at peaceful ppl = ok

Others pointing guns at Fed officials who have guns and have demonstrated aggressive intent = not OK


...got it

This^!

Just more "do as we say, not as we do!" Excellent observations in this thread. ;D
Title: Re: Armed Fed Agents and Snipers?
Post by: gryphon on May 10, 2014, 11:26:06 AM
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Title: Bundy supporter: No guns pointed at police or BLM
Post by: gryphon on May 10, 2014, 10:12:38 PM
Metro Police has said the officers feared for their lives on that day because so many of Bundy’s supporters were armed and some pointed weapons at them.

“It's not a rumor. When we first got out there and made a left to divide I-15, that's all you saw. You saw kids and women and horses in the backdrop and then men with guns, lying on the ground, in the back of pickup trucks. We're going, wow, this would never happen in Las Vegas, but it was there. That's not a rumor. It's reality and I saw it with my own eyes,” said Sgt. Tom Jenkins, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

Brand Thornton, one of the Bundy supporters, says he was the mediator between Sgt. Jenkins and the militia. He says the police are lying. Thornton admits he was armed with an AK47 and he doesn’t deny the situation was dangerous, but he says, no one pointed a gun at police or BLM agents.

When he saw the I-Team’s interviews with police officers who felt threatened, he had issues with the statements Sgt. Jenkins made.

“He talked about someone saying 'are you ready to die?' No there was nobody."

Police told the I-Team they thought they might die.

Thornton says he never saw any of the supporters point weapons at the officers.

8 News NOW poured through hours of video shot by their photographers in Bunkerville and could not find any proof of guns aimed at officers either.

Thornton was a visible presence on the 8 News NOW stories and he believes the FBI might be investigating him. He says he has noticed unmarked cars following him.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25478871/bundy-supporter-no-guns-pointed-at-police-or-blm (http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25478871/bundy-supporter-no-guns-pointed-at-police-or-blm)