Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: FamilyMan on October 04, 2012, 08:41:27 PM
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I made my calls today, and here are the results:
1st call: Senator Mike Nofs (my Senator): I got voice mail and left a message, stating I would be calling back in a week to check.
2nd call: Senator Randy Richardville: After telling the receptionist what I was calling about, I was transferred to an aid named Connor. As I began explaining my call, Connor interrupted me to tell me I had the wrong bill. SB58 is what I was refering to, and that it was still in the DNR. I was in my car, with only handwritten notes, and I've been away from the web for a couple of months, so I said "Okay, but I'll look it up later." I did look it up later and called him back to tell him he was mistaken about the bill. I explained what the two bills do and he thanked me for setting him straight. I asked him if Gov Snyder was opposed and he told me that it was the State Police that did not want this and Snyder would veto it if it came to him. I thanked him and he thanked me again before hanging up.
3rd call: Governor Snyder: I spoke with a receptionist who transferred me to Onna (sp?). Onna told me that the Governor supported the streamlining of the CPL process, but that he had some issues with the wording used in the bill. I told her that the streamlining was only part of the bill and the exemption from PFZ's was the other part. I told her I have read the bill, in its entirety, twice (completly true) and could she please tell me which parts or words he was having trouble with. Her attitude changed from dismissive to placating as she told me that information had not yet been released, but that the major players in the Senate would know. I ended the call by telling her that I supported the exemption of the PFZ's and she said she would relay this information to the Governor.
Carry on!
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I called Sen Kahn's office and was told by the person who answered the phone that "the Senator had not expressed an opinion on SB59".
When I called Sen Richardville's office the Lady told me she would "put me on the long list of people who called to support SB59".
The Gov office went straight to voicemail.
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I called Sen Kahn's office and was told by the person who answered the phone that "the Senator had not expressed an opinion on SB59".
When I called Sen Richardville's office the Lady told me she would "put me on the long list of people who called to support SB59".
The Gov office went straight to voicemail.
I got the same responses from Sen. Richardville and Gov's office last week. Hopefully tomorrow will go better.
However, my Sen., Joe Hune, has expressed an avid support of the bill. I have recieved email response everytime I expressed my concerns from his office as well as a firm, "Sen. Hune supports this bill in its entirety" from one of the secretaries. Good champion for our cause. He is also an avid outdoorsman.
1 for 3 is a .333 avg.....now if I could only hit 40+ homers and 120+ RBI's Miggy would have some competition. ;D
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I just received this:
I wanted to let you know that, when I called Senator Richardville, the
staffer who answered his phone was familiar with my message - said that
she had received hundreds of them already today and would add my name to the list.
Here's hoping it makes a difference!
John Doe
Ada, MI
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Nice! Lets keep it up until the governor signs it into law!
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Made my calls again today and got the same responses as last time. Although this time I did get to speak to a staffer of the gov, instead of voice mail. When I pressed for specifics she was tip-toeing like there was lava everywhere. She said the gov stance has not changed and that he was concerned about the public safety aspect of the bill. She wouldn't say what part of the bill drew concern for public safety and continued to tippy toe around specifics.
What a bunch of non-committing cowards. I cannot stand politicians.
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Made my calls too (3) Same old same O
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So I made my calls today, and once again I was transferred to the Connar(?) who handles constituents for Richardville. Once again I only got a voice mail. Last week I left a message and was assured I would get a call back, never happened. This week in my voice mail I told them I was tired of not receiving a call back, so hopefully someone will contact me soon.
Is it possible that they could vote on it after the election, or is it dead?
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So I made my calls today, and once again I was transferred to the Connar(?) who handles constituents for Richardville. Once again I only got a voice mail. Last week I left a message and was assured I would get a call back, never happened. This week in my voice mail I told them I was tired of not receiving a call back, so hopefully someone will contact me soon.
Is it possible that they could vote on it after the election, or is it dead?
I have been given promises about movement during a lame duck session, but then again I have been given promises about this movie earlier this spring…
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I have been given promises about movement during a lame duck session, but then again I have been given promises about this movie earlier this spring…
ok, thanks for letting me know. i'm so mad at randy right now i could just bust! wish he would have showed up at the Guns & Politics meeting this past monday, but i guess he knew what would've happened if he did.
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Got a call back from Connar at Randy's office. He tried telling me that Randy was not blocking the bill from being voted, but rather trying to get the Speaker of the House, the Senate, and the Governor all on the same page. I told him in no uncertain terms that unless Randy allows it come up for a vote that he will be seen as the one stopping it, and he will face the repercussions from gun owners for not allowing it to be voted on. Expressed to him that with GOP in control of all state positions now is the time to act, and reminded him that MSP was also against CPL law, and look how that turned out.
I told him if the Gov is the one that doesn't want it, then pass it and let him veto is, because gun owners want to know where he stands. He did tell me that there is a session scheduled for after the election, but that the agenda for it has not been set and he did not know if 59 or 5225 would be on it.
So basically I got the run-around, but I did stress VERY much that not allowing the bill to be voted on would be the biggest missed opportunity for 2A in MI in at least a decade, and the repercussions from that woudl be immense. Not what I was hoping for, but he did assure me he would tell Randy what I said.
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Yea he will pass it on to good old Randy, and if I know Randy (and sadly I do) he will say "Like i give a f**k?"
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called all again today and to summarize; same non-answers as last time.
Sen Kahn: I tried to set up an appt to speak w/the senator on the phone and was told "he has a busy schedule" and that a staffer will call me back and be glad to talk to me about the bill. She wanted to know why I wanted to speak to the senator and I told her that I've been calling and cannot get a straight answer out of anyone about how the senator stands on this bill. Does he support it as written? And if not, why not? What, specifically, is he opposed to? I told her that whoever calls me back should have those answers available because the answer dodging is getting really old. I gave her my number and she said someone will call me back and that was that.
Sen Richardville: same as every time. the lady who answers the phone thanked me for calling and said my position was noted and she would add me to the list.
Gov: staffer said she would pass my comments on to the governor.
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As a follow up it has been 7 days since I talked to Senator Kahn's office and have not received any type of communication from them. That is very disappointing.
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As a follow up it has been 7 days since I talked to Senator Kahn's office and have not received any type of communication from them. That is very disappointing.
Unfortunately not very surprising though.
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Amazing! Today, Friday Nov 8 2012, I did indeed receive a call back from the Senators office.
Now don't hate on me but I was awakened by the phone call so I had not had any coffee and was completely out of it.
All I can remember from the call was the female said "the Senator wasn't opposed to any specific part of the legislation as written", but I do not remember her saying he supported it. The only other thing I can remember was she said something about the legislation coming up soon in a lame duck session and that it would be up to the Gov. Maybe that part shouldn't be publicly mentioned? I don't know.
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Well I don't see how to change my post so I will post-edit it. Friday Nov 8 should read Friday Nov 9, 2012. :-)
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Called my senator Talked to an aid :-\
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I called Representative Foster's office a few minutes ago. I was told SB59 will not be voted on by the House and it has been taken off the agenda for tomorrow.
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Phone calls made and emails sent. Rep Foster's office is the only one who answered the phone.
Foster- spoke w/Rob and Jason and was informed SB59 was taken off the agenda for tomorrow. Also sent email
Hukki- voice mail and email
Schmidt- voice mail and email
Damrow- voice mail and email
Hughes- voice mail and email
Johnson- vm and email
Pettalia- vm and email
Haugh- vm and email
Stapleton- vm and email
Bledsoe- vm and email
Slavens- vm and email
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Phone calls made and emails sent. Rep Foster's office is the only one who answered the phone.
Foster- spoke w/Rob and Jason and was informed SB59 was taken off the agenda for tomorrow. Also sent email
Hukki- voice mail and email
Schmidt- voice mail and email
Damrow- voice mail and email
Hughes- voice mail and email
Johnson- vm and email
Pettalia- vm and email
Haugh- vm and email
Stapleton- vm and email
Bledsoe- vm and email
Slavens- vm and email
You're a rock star!
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Not really, LOL. But I do my best to "walk-the-walk" though. It was simple for me since all the phone numbers and email addresses were provided, thanks.
You guys did all the hard work and are the real rock stars. Your efforts are much appreciated and I'll do what I can from here to help.
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Not really, LOL. But I do my best to "walk-the-walk" though. It was simple for me since all the phone numbers and email addresses were provided, thanks.
You guys did all the hard work and are the real rock stars. Your efforts are much appreciated and I'll do what I can from here to help.
Technically, if you merely click the email address it would give you a pre-written email also ;)
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Technically, if you merely click the email address it would give you a pre-written email also ;)
Yes, I saw that and took advantage of it, thanks. ;D I also added the text from the phone call, slightly revised, to it too. Don't worry, I just corrected some punctuation, used my phrasing, and added "with additional training" to paraphrase myself.
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I didn't get free from my duties in time to make any phone calls. :(
So after I open carried at the school board work session for a few hours, I sent emails to Rep. Foster and nine others. :)
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Called Speaker Bolger and it went straight to VM. Sent an email and received an automated response.
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Same here
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Emailed Rep Foster last night and today. I just got off the phone with Rep. Foster's office and the staffer who answered the phone said, "we are just as excited and amped-up as you are about passing this bill". He also said they've been getting lots of phone calls on SB59 and said it will probably be going up for vote next week. I advised the staffer that the grapevine is saying that Rep. Foster is the one holding up the bill. He replied that they are "following process and that takes time".
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I heard on the news that they passed the right to work bill. Apparently that had priority over the self-protection bill.
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I heard on the news that they passed the right to work bill. Apparently that had priority over the self-protection bill.
Yes. I know a bit about why. Don't ask me to tell ;)
Suffice to say someone will get recalled if they don't.
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Emailed Rep Foster last night and today. I just got off the phone with Rep. Foster's office and the staffer who answered the phone said, "we are just as excited and amped-up as you are about passing this bill". He also said they've been getting lots of phone calls on SB59 and said it will probably be going up for vote next week. I advised the staffer that the grapevine is saying that Rep. Foster is the one holding up the bill. He replied that they are "following process and that takes time".
Same here.
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Que,
Phone calls and emails sent to my Rep. and Rep. Bolger this morning. I'll see you guys at the capitol this morning!
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Here is my note to the governor I sent via the website. I will call when I get a break.
I am in favor of SB 59. The unfortunate events in CT illustrate the need for criminals to be prevented from taking advantage of the unprotected.
Allowing properly trained individuals to legally carry concealed weapons in so-called "Pistol Free Zones", will make criminals avoid them, or make them less horrific if legally armed citizens are able to stop them.
A case in point is in Oregon, the mall shooter stopped and killed himself, when a person with a legally concealed weapon stepped in.
Allowing legal concealed carry for properly trained citizens will be cheaper for the taxpayers. Without legal carry for properly trained citizens, we will have to add metal detectors and armed guards at every entrance. This will be a huge added expense for schools that are already strapped for money for teachers and supplies. Adding a tax will either be a district by district activity, or require new taxation and regulation at the state level.
Taking away guns or restricting the use of guns will not stop criminals.
In addition, under current law, it is legal for CPL holders to open carry in PFZs. By changing this to allow properly trained CPL holders to conceal carry in these places, will avoid alarming or offending the ignorant who believe that guns in and of themselves are bad.
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Called and talked with Mellanie at Governors Office
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I've been calling and calling. It appears they are letting calls go to VM, which is full.
I sent this message via their website:
Gov., what happened in CT was horrible. But passing legislation like SB59 can help prevent these horrific tragedies that seem to occur time after time in PISTOL FREE ZONES. Please allow the law abiding citizens of MI an opportunity to protect themselves, and those they care for, from monsters who do not care what a PFZ is.
Sir, I understand you have a very hard choice, but fundamentally you know passing SB59 is the right thing to do. Law abiding citizens do not perform monstrous atrocities. This legislation has the power to make me safer, and in turn those around me will be safer.
Thank you for your time and I wish you a Merry Christmas,
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Finally, got through via phone. I sent an email earlier this morning, but I have been getting a full VM all day when calling.
Keep trying if you have not gotten through yet.
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Finally, got through via phone. I sent an email earlier this morning, but I have been getting a full VM all day when calling.
Keep trying if you have not gotten through yet.
I managed to get through on the 7th or eighth try. Just keep ringing and hanging up -- you'll get through.
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I informed the governor the morning of (before CT actually happened). I told the person who answered the phone that my vote for him in the next election would heavily weigh on his response to this bill.
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I informed the governor the morning of (before CT actually happened). I told the person who answered the phone that my vote for him in the next election would heavily weigh on his response to this bill.
This is a good thing for him occasionally. It lets him known people are watching and his future may depend on his action.
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I called the governor office went straight to voicemail called right back the call lady answered she took my info and she wrote that I want the governor to pass sb59 she said thank you I will give the message to the governor I said thanks the end till tomorrow calling back
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From the WNEMTV5news facebook page https://www.facebook.com/WNEMTV5/posts/10151131766495957 (https://www.facebook.com/WNEMTV5/posts/10151131766495957)
It appears Gov. Snyder will sign a bill that would allow someone to carry a concealed weapon inside schools and churches, but only after that person gets extra training. This has been getting a lot of attention in the aftermath of the shooting in Newtown, CT.
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PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2012 @ 1:03 PM
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PRESENTED TO GOVERNOR 12/18/2012 @ 1:03 PM
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121218/POLITICS02/212180432#ixzz2FR14derE (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121218/POLITICS02/212180432#ixzz2FR14derE)
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Yeah I saw that.... :(
I think that we need to have a organized OC in some PFZ's tomorrow and give him a glimpse of the future....Anyone???
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MCRGO's FB page is saying SB59 was vetoed. So did he "veto" it or pocket veto it? Does anyone know if Senator Green is going to try to get the legislature to override his veto?
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MCRGO's FB page is saying SB59 was vetoed. So did he "veto" it or pocket veto it? Does anyone know if Senator Green is going to try to get the legislature to override his veto?
Thats wishful thinking.
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MCRGO's FB page is saying SB59 was vetoed. So did he "veto" it or pocket veto it?
Vetoed.
http://www.wilx.com/breaking/home/Governor-Snyder-Vetoes-Gun-Bill-184002401.html (http://www.wilx.com/breaking/home/Governor-Snyder-Vetoes-Gun-Bill-184002401.html)
It wouldn't move to pocket veto status until after Christmas.
It was thought there would not be enough votes to override the veto before the CT school shooting, that many original voters would back down in the face of Snyder's veto. I certainly do not see that changing now.