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Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 02:56:05 PM
Been doing a little shopping around, but am kind of torn between a few, and just dont have the experience to really decide.  A big part is everybody has personal preferences, so its hard to really tell when the guns themselves are actually so close comparison wise.  Did quite a bit of reading and looking in some local stores and I've narrowed it down to 4 guns.  S&W M&P 9c, Glock 19, Springfield XDM, and Ruger SR9C.  All of which are right around the $500 range.  Anybody have any input on any of these?  Im just trying to get some feedback, to try to help decide.  I'm planning on purchasing at the end of the month so i have a little time to read up a little more, and maybe even shoot one. 

Any other suggestions for a first time pistol?  Places recommended near Grand Rapids to purchase?

Side note: I will more than likely be open carrying, but want the option to conceal once i get my license.

Thanks
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: METL on November 14, 2012, 03:17:03 PM
I would not buy the ruger.

You will not be disappointed with the M&P, Glock, or XDm.   (though I believe you are mistaken on the cost of the XDm... it is likely the most expensive of the 3)


All are very nice and reliable pistols. 


You should narrow it down to 2 of them then flip a coin.  :D
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
I would not buy the ruger.

You will not be disappointed with the M&P, Glock, or XDm.   (though I believe you are mistaken on the cost of the XDm... it is likely the most expensive of the 3)


All are very nice and reliable pistols. 


You should narrow it down to 2 of them then flip a coin.  :D

the XDm is a little more $.   the ruger is a little less $...   My personal preference was between the G19 and  the M&P, but was just throwing the other 2 in there to see if someone had any insight on getting one of those. 

Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 03:34:56 PM
Any of the other three guns are guns I have or would carry. Avoid the ruger.

If you plan to OC (or IWB CC) get the Glock 17, XDm 9, or M&P. no need to get a compact. Bigger really is better.

Why would you want the compact over the full-size? Just curious....
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 03:38:37 PM
If you could only pick 1 of the other 3, what would it be and why?
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 03:43:52 PM
If you could only pick 1 of the other 3, what would it be and why?

It's really a toss up. Just don't get a compact.

FWIW, my EDC is a Springfield XDm 9mm 4.5". Why the XDm? At 19 rounds the magazine capacity second to none (pea shooter FM five-seven aside). That was the deciding consideration for me.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
Reason I'm looking at the compact versions is I do want the option to conceal. I held both versions of all the weapons and they all feel very comfortable in my hand, but I actually like the feel of the compact a little better.  Both the xdm and m&p have the larger clips that have extended grip if I wasn't concerned with concealing as well.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: bigt8261 on November 14, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
When I was looking for a more concealable option, I had my choices narrowed down to the M&P9c, SR9C and G26. Out of those three I chose the M&P9c, but someone put an XDs in my hand before I decided to buy. That might be a little smaller than what you are looking for.

I live in GR and have purchased two pistols from Silver Bullet Firearms. Both times they happened to be the only one that had exactly what I was looking for. Their prices seem to be competitive too. My experiences with them are generally good and I have no problem recommending them. Not everyone here feels the same way. Al & Bobs is just up the road from Silver Bullet. Rylee's Ace, Gander Mountain and MC Sports on 28th st. (I think) are other options that come to mind. On Target is in KZoo but usually has helpful staff and a good selection. I think their prices are a bit higher though.

FYI, Silver Bullet has a 10 for 10 deal. Everything you need to test a firearm with 10 rounds for $10. (including target, eyes and ears) Might be a good option if you can't decide between two.

Good luck
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 04:34:47 PM
^ thanks. Silver bullet is actually where I was looking at the guns. At this point I'm leaning towards the m&p. they had one in there with the laser grip that I really like. That bumps the price up about 200 bucks but its something I could add down the road (right?).  The g19 is a little plain for my tastes, but it still looks to be a very nice gun.  And the xdm is just a little more expensive so that takes away from accessories / ammo I can purchase.  Does anyone know exactly what the guns come with when bought brand new.  I've seen that some come with multiple mags but want to be sure...
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 04:53:43 PM
Reason I'm looking at the compact versions is I do want the option to conceal. I held both versions of all the weapons and they all feel very comfortable in my hand, but I actually like the feel of the compact a little better.  Both the xdm and m&p have the larger clips that have extended grip if I wasn't concerned with concealing as well.

You can IWB conceal a full sized just as well as a compact. OWB your concealment will suck in either case (major printing).

HTH.

I'll upload pictures later of me concealing my full size XDm IWB.
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 04:54:54 PM
If mag capacity is a concern, avoid the XDs where the s stands for single stack/slim
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 04:56:57 PM
^ thanks. Silver bullet is actually where I was looking at the guns. At this point I'm leaning towards the m&p. they had one in there with the laser grip that I really like. That bumps the price up about 200 bucks but its something I could add down the road (right?).  The g19 is a little plain for my tastes, but it still looks to be a very nice gun.  And the xdm is just a little more expensive so that takes away from accessories / ammo I can purchase.  Does anyone know exactly what the guns come with when bought brand new.  I've seen that some come with multiple mags but want to be sure...

XDm comes with:

PoS paddle holster (no active retention)
2 mags
1 mag loader
1 dual mag pouch
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 07:08:21 PM
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I was concealing the larger of these two firearms.

Please note: practically no print under a very thin "wife beater" shirt.

I can take more pictures if requested -- or even do a YouTube video.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 07:27:19 PM
Thanks for that!  How about when you sit?  I was worried about that more than standing, that's why I was opting for the smaller guns
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 07:38:54 PM
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Sitting
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 07:42:14 PM
I'll be in GR on Dec 1, I'm told. I can show you more then.

We're holding a Seminar that is yet to be posted.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
I'll be in GR on Dec 1, I'm told. I can show you more then.

We're holding a Seminar that is yet to be posted.


Awesome!!!  I get like 1 weekend off every other month and that's my weekend off. Would definitely be interested in going!
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 07:48:56 PM
Back to what I was saying. Get the full sized:

More ammo capacity
Better aim (longer sight base)
The concealment won't disappoint.

Seriously, all you can see maybe under a tighter shirt is the corner of the bottom of the grip and that could be ANYTHING...including a cell phone.

If you cant the gun just right, you won't even see that.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
Side question...  Is it legal to have a suppressor for a handgun?
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 14, 2012, 08:49:01 PM
Side question...  Is it legal to have a suppressor for a handgun?

Yes, but getting one is complicated and expensive. By the time you get one, you will have spent over a grand.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: ken243 on November 14, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
I would also avoid ruger in general. Some of my opinion on that is because of the quotes that came from their CEO during the AWB.

The Glock is a good choice and so is the XD. I have shot the S&W and it does not have a good feel to me. You may want to hold or even shoot each one to make your final pick. FYI most gun manufactures offer some steep discounts on guns if you are in any type of public service position. (LEO, EMS, Firefighter, teacher, etc..) If you are in such a profession you may want to look into it. I am a Paramedic and can get Glocks for $398.

Good luck with your decision and remember there is no shame in getting 2 or 3 if you just can't pick one.  ;)

Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 10:50:51 PM

Good luck with your decision and remember there is no shame in getting 2 or 3 if you just can't pick one.  ;)

lol thats what I'm afraid of...  but i would definitely be getting my butt kicked by the old lady if i did that right away lol
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Raggs on November 14, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
I think with Silver Bullet and being able to rent the guns for 10 bucks it would be a perfect time to try them. Also if you tell them you want one of the three guns they might allow you to shoot them free, if you buy your own ammo. Worth a shot.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 14, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
I think with Silver Bullet and being able to rent the guns for 10 bucks it would be a perfect time to try them. Also if you tell them you want one of the three guns they might allow you to shoot them free, if you buy your own ammo. Worth a shot.

i was gonna give all 4 of them a shot, but i left thinking that the 40 bucks saved from not shooting, would be able to go for the purchase of a gun..  after i left one of my friends told me that he had heard that if you do the 10 for 10 that if you end up buying, the refund you.  Not sure if its true or not, but iLl definitely be asking when I am ready to purchase...
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: bigt8261 on November 15, 2012, 08:48:10 AM
Make sure to check Silver Bullet's used case. According to their website, they currently have a full size M&P9. The only XD they have is a XD-45, but check the case as normally they have a few in the case that are not on their website. (http://www.silverbulletfirearms.com/index.php?view=category&catid=1&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=120 (http://www.silverbulletfirearms.com/index.php?view=category&catid=1&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=120))

As far as size goes, to each their own. TheQ has considerably more experience than I and is more comfortable working with a full size. When I OC, I normally carry a full size 1911 (big and heavy). However, there are times when I just want to be discreet and for that I went with a much smaller option. I have two tools for two different uses as opposed to one tool for two uses. The up side is each tool performs it's specific use better, but the down side is more cost, and I am unable to transition as easily. I do think I have a slightly smaller frame. I'm only 5'10" 185. I have no doubt Q is competent at concealing a larger firearm, but I'm not to his level yet.

As far as round count, I see this as another to each their own. When things get hairy, who doesn't want more rounds, but on the other hand more rounds equals more size and more weight. If those two things are going to make you less likely to carry, then they need to be considered. My XDs is a 5+1 (but in .45 instead of 9mm). The way I look at it, that's the same round count as a revolver and the chances of me needing more than a few rounds should things get hairy is very slim. Carry more rounds if you can, but make sure you carry first.

I hope some of this puts my views into perspective. That way they can be better applied or discarded as needed.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: gryphon on November 15, 2012, 08:59:35 AM
... laser grip that I really like. That bumps the price up about 200 bucks but its something I could add down the road (right?).

Yes, but it will cost a little more. It is usually cheaper if you buy it factory-installed.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: bigt8261 on November 15, 2012, 09:19:33 AM
As for the refund of the 10 for 10, I have not had that experience. Could be someone messed up.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: TucTom on November 15, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
Reason I'm looking at the compact versions is I do want the option to conceal. I held both versions of all the weapons and they all feel very comfortable in my hand, but I actually like the feel of the compact a little better.  Both the xdm and m&p have the larger clips that have extended grip if I wasn't concerned with concealing as well.

Magazine..... Sorry could't resist.
Shoot them, I've gone hunting for pistols and I "knew" what I wanted. Went to the store and was shown others in the same $ range and have bought something I thought I'd decided against because other people told me I don't want that. Heck my EDC is something that nobody had a good word for back when I bought it. I've bought and sold others since, but still have my Taurus 92.
BTW I can also carry IWB my full size , but then I'm full size.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: METL on November 16, 2012, 11:48:12 AM
I have no problems with my full size glock.  People that know I carry look for it and can't see it.... 


Don't worry about concealing.  The difference in side from the 17 to the 19 is NEXT TO NOTHING.




Only caveat on the M&P is the triggers SUCK.  See Doug at ATEi to get some trigger work done if you get the M&P.    (livonia and yes you can ship)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: ken243 on November 16, 2012, 12:15:46 PM
lol thats what I'm afraid of...  but i would definitely be getting my butt kicked by the old lady if i did that right away lol

'tis easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission.   :)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 16, 2012, 12:37:02 PM
'tis easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission.   :)

I'm gonna have to write that down!!!  That's a saying to live by!
Title: Re: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Super Trucker on November 17, 2012, 11:00:50 AM
I have no problems with my full size glock.  People that know I carry look for it and can't see it.... 


Don't worry about concealing.  The difference in side from the 17 to the 19 is NEXT TO NOTHING.




Only caveat on the M&P is the triggers SUCK.  See Doug at ATEi to get some trigger work done if you get the M&P.    (livonia and yes you can ship)
Did Doug move his shop?
Title: Re: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: fozzy71 on November 17, 2012, 05:41:33 PM
Did Doug move his shop?

No, he is in Taylor (not Livonia) - http://ateiguns.com/contact/ (http://ateiguns.com/contact/)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Super Trucker on November 17, 2012, 07:20:06 PM
No, he is in Taylor (not Livonia) - http://ateiguns.com/contact/ (http://ateiguns.com/contact/)

Thanks
I wasn't sure if it was a typo or if he moved, I haven't talked to him in a few months.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: METL on November 19, 2012, 11:47:22 AM
Whoops... sorry, yeah I get all those 'burbs mixed up...   I think it's like right next to livonia...  :P

Anywho, if you get an M&P get with Doug fo sho.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 19, 2012, 12:18:11 PM
Whoops... sorry, yeah I get all those 'burbs mixed up...   I think it's like right next to livonia...  :P

Anywho, if you get an M&P get with Doug fo sho.

What exactly does he do to it?  Any idea how much it'd cost me?
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: CV67PAT on November 19, 2012, 01:23:07 PM
What exactly does he do to it?  Any idea how much it'd cost me?
Check out this link for contact information:

http://ateiguns.com/contact/ (http://ateiguns.com/contact/)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: METL on November 19, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
What exactly does he do to it?  Any idea how much it'd cost me?


Check out his website provided in Pat's link...


Pay particular attention to the gallery, the FAQ, and the Order....     full boat trigger job is $110...   dumbed down job is $60....

His slide serrations are awesome and very useful as well...
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: bignaz on November 20, 2012, 02:56:37 PM
First thing dont let the fan boys tell you what to buy.

First thing is whats your price range? Dont skimp on your first pistol its a great feeling to have a high quality pistol that you bought.

Second thing is screw brands. You need to get out and test them or atleast check the grip angles. A Sig is diff from a 1991 and a 1911 is diff from a clock. Glocks sit low Sigs sit a little higher. Clocking your eyes bring the pistol up you should be able to naturally line the sights up. If you have to correct it thats not the pistol for you. You want it to be a natural  feeling like its part of you.

Do you care about weight? Less weight more recoil. More weight less recoil easy to put a fallow up shot on target. Example my .357 sig, Sig P229 has less muzzle flip and recoil then a 9mm Glock. My sig is also much heavier. So polymer frame or metal.

Caliber. 9mm is cheap to shoot but i dont care what people say its pretty hard to drop someone in a defensive situation with a 9mm. Its a small round. .40 is a really good all around round. Its not to expensive has some nice stopping power. .45 is not all that great. Its heavy, slow and you magazine capacity will suffer.  I personalty use a .357 sig. Its a .40 s&w necked down to a 9mm. Its a hot little round with the accuracy of a 9mm. Expands great and hits like a ton of bricks. However it is expensive. Range ammo is about $25 for 50 . Most guns example my Sig P229 the difference between the capacities in 9mm and .40 or .357 sig is 1 round more on the 9mm.  Personaly i recamend .40 s&w for a first caliber. Not to expensive. Nice power, Not to bad on the recoil and in some guns the snap it has is pretty much not there.

Also i advice again crimson trace grips. I used 3 pairs on a P226, P229,  Glock 27, all 3 after some rounds would need to be zeroed.  After seeing that i would never rely on them other then hitting paper. With the right pistol for you and holster if you need to use it defensibly you will be able to "with some practice" draw from your holster fire a round off the hip and place it in a target why you bring your sights up. I dont advice doing it but in a life and death situation getting that first round out and on target as fast as you can may be the thing that saves you or another persons life.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 20, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Thanks for all the input guys!   I decided on the smith and Wesson and plopped some money down on one today!  Plan on picking it up when I get my bonus at the end if the month.  After talking with numerous people I decided that was the one for me. The Springfield is an extremely nice gun and I barely could decide between the 2. It finally came down to that the smith ans Wesson felt more comfortable in my hand and had a few features that I liked better. I purchased the 9mm that already has the crimson trace installed. Final price is right around the 770 range out the door.

If anybody is curious silver bullet has the Springfield on sale for 65 bucks off for Black Friday, which is an extremely good deal! 

Now on to finding a nice safe and picking out a holster and a couple more magazines! 
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: gryphon on November 20, 2012, 05:52:03 PM
M&Ps are nice pistols. I've been thinking about buying an M&P 45 just because one can never have enough guns.  :)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: METL on November 21, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Thanks for all the input guys!   I decided on the smith and Wesson and plopped some money down on one today!  Plan on picking it up when I get my bonus at the end if the month.  After talking with numerous people I decided that was the one for me. The Springfield is an extremely nice gun and I barely could decide between the 2. It finally came down to that the smith ans Wesson felt more comfortable in my hand and had a few features that I liked better. I purchased the 9mm that already has the crimson trace installed. Final price is right around the 770 range out the door.

If anybody is curious silver bullet has the Springfield on sale for 65 bucks off for Black Friday, which is an extremely good deal! 

Now on to finding a nice safe and picking out a holster and a couple more magazines!


Nice... glad to hear you pulled the trigger on something...     It will be a good firearm for you.   I had an XD and the thing I just didn't like was that if you didn't hold it just right the grip safety didn't disengage...  I thought that may be a bad thing in a SD situation...

Have fun!!!   I would recommend, if you're getting an OWB OC holster, that you seriously check out safariland ALS holsters...     I would also recommend you pick up a TLR-1 weapon light ($100) and get the light capable holster.


Check out opticsplanet.com for holsters.
Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 21, 2012, 10:00:32 AM
The XDM grip safety isn't exactly hard to push. I have a hard time seeing how you could not push it, hold the gun anything resembling properly, and pull the trigger. It's easier than a 1911 grip.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: venator on November 21, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
Thanks for all the input guys!   I decided on the smith and Wesson and plopped some money down on one today!  Plan on picking it up when I get my bonus at the end if the month.  After talking with numerous people I decided that was the one for me. The Springfield is an extremely nice gun and I barely could decide between the 2. It finally came down to that the smith ans Wesson felt more comfortable in my hand and had a few features that I liked better. I purchased the 9mm that already has the crimson trace installed. Final price is right around the 770 range out the door.

If anybody is curious silver bullet has the Springfield on sale for 65 bucks off for Black Friday, which is an extremely good deal! 

Now on to finding a nice safe and picking out a holster and a couple more magazines!

Love mine in 9mm, regardless of what people say, it a fine self-defense round, is cheaper and plentiful.  I had Doug work on my trigger, well worth it, the difference is night and day, so much smoother and lighter.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: METL on November 26, 2012, 11:25:17 AM
The XDM grip safety isn't exactly hard to push. I have a hard time seeing how you could not push it, hold the gun anything resembling properly, and pull the trigger. It's easier than a 1911 grip.


Oh I agree it's totally easy to depress the button....   I'm just saying that there are times when your grip may not be perfect, or the angle you're holding it may not push the button all the way or whatever...   I did a lot of playing around with the XDsc that I had and there was ways that it would not engage the grip safety properly or fully...    Turned me off to the system.

Just pointing it out as food for thought.   Not saying i'ts crap.
Title: Re: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Super Trucker on November 26, 2012, 11:46:53 AM

Oh I agree it's totally easy to depress the button....   I'm just saying that there are times when your grip may not be perfect, or the angle you're holding it may not push the button all the way or whatever...   I did a lot of playing around with the XDsc that I had and there was ways that it would not engage the grip safety properly or fully...    Turned me off to the system.

Just pointing it out as food for thought.   Not saying i'ts crap.
Why not just pin the safety, then it would never allow what you described to happen?

Title: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on November 26, 2012, 12:24:15 PM
Why not just pin the safety, then it would never allow what you described to happen?

You could always tie a rubber band around the grip and that would keep the safety engaged. A consideration when doing that is: the grip safety forces the seer to stay in place. If somehow the seer was pushed down while you had the safety rubber banded, It would cause the striker to move forward. At that point, the internal safety should stop the striker from hitting the chamber.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on November 30, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
Went and picked up the gun this morning.  Had to work today so I didnt get a chance to shoot it.  Picked up a cleaning kit, some targets, a nice safe, and some bullets.  Cant wait to go give it a try in the morning!  The old lady about wanted to murder me when she found out I was buying one, but when I brought it home she didnt want to put the thing down!!  I think shes more excited to shoot it than I am!!!

See everyone at Gander Mountain tomorrow!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/farfegnewgen/4B3B4843-BE12-4260-984A-E2A21F14DCCA-2594-000001558E499FF7.jpg)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: gryphon on November 30, 2012, 11:53:44 PM
Congratulations.  How many rounds does it hold?
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Ezerharden on December 01, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Looks like a Glock 27, if so it is 9 plus one in the pipe with a standard magazine, it may have a round extender to give it 10 or 11.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: TheQ on December 01, 2012, 12:13:51 AM
Looks like a Glock 27, if so it is 9 plus one in the pipe with a standard magazine, it may have a round extender to give it 10 or 11.

Umm, dude.  No.  It says "____" on the slide and it looks nothing like a Glock, other than it has a plastic frame.  Why don't you read the slide and try again? :)

A Glock 27 is visible in post #12 (smaller of the two)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Ezerharden on December 01, 2012, 12:15:06 AM
Umm, dude.  No.  It says "____" on the side and it looks nothing like a Glock, other than it has a plastic frame.  Why don't you read the slide and try again? :)

Quite correct, I only gave the pic a glance lol. Old eyes ain't what they used to be  :o
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on December 01, 2012, 09:43:40 AM
Lol it's the Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm compact.  It's got 2x 12round mags. Ordering a full size mag in the next couple days (17 round) with the x-grip. 
I'm also tempted to buy a full size mag and the Taylor freelance 170mm mag extension. That will turn my 17 round in to a 27 round.  I could have some fun with that ;)
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on December 01, 2012, 01:24:22 PM
We went and shot it.  It worked flawlessly!!  Put 100 rounds through it without any issues!  Thing is easy to handle, and is very accurate.  I could get used to this quite quick!!  Off to buy a few more boxes of ammo!!
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: bigbob on December 01, 2012, 05:46:44 PM
GLOCK vs XD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBdYBc0BLgQ#)  I could not resist. this video cracks me up every time.

I only skimmed the thread but a few ill toss in my 2 cents.

I could not disagree more about getting a full size gun. a compact gun is way easier to conceal overall. the barrel is down your pants... barrel length doesn't matter really, but the length of the grip is what sticks out. In the pictures on the first page you are standing completely up right, I could put an 18'' shotgun down my pants and you would not see it until I moved. If you cant get the job done with the 15 rds in say a glock 19, then you are screwed anyways. I am a firm believer that the best gun, assuming you only have one, is the gun you cant see yourself leaving home without. open carry aside, you will probably be more apt to leave the house without your heavier, bigger full sized gun when its hot and you just toss a t shirt on and head out the door. as far as IWB to OWB, it is just as easy to hide in either if it is hoodie weather, and OTW is usually more comfy. to each their own, and this is a with all due respect. Not trying to start a pissing match just my thoughts.

Second, a 9mm is more than adequate. something like a 124grn p+ hollow point and your good to go. This is coming from a die hard .45 guy too. the 5.56 are military uses is a "small" round too. if you get a leg it wont matter if its a .50 bmg or a  .22lr.  and even with the additional rounds in your average 9mm pistol compared to its .45 counter part, the .45 is still gunna be heavier, and that makes a longer day to carry it around.

good luck on the purchase!


ETA:  .... then i finish skimming the thread and relies you already bought the gun haha. Enjoy!
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Soulfyre65 on December 04, 2012, 10:56:44 PM
Alright...I have to ask. Why the gripes against Ruger? My carry gun is the Ruger SR9C. I love the fit, finish, and comfort. The accuracy out of the box was dead on. I've put 3000+ rounds through it in less than a year. I got it for $399...of which made me happy...actually, I traded in my Springfield Armory XD-40 tactical(of which I hated) and payed maybe an extra $50. I am extremely happy with it. I just don't understand.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: CV67PAT on December 04, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
Alright...I have to ask. Why the gripes against Ruger? My carry gun is the Ruger SR9C. I love the fit, finish, and comfort. The accuracy out of the box was dead on. I've put 3000+ rounds through it in less than a year. I got it for $399...of which made me happy...actually, I traded in my Springfield Armory XD-40 tactical(of which I hated) and payed maybe an extra $50. I am extremely happy with it. I just don't understand.
Because it's not an HK.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Soulfyre65 on December 04, 2012, 11:03:16 PM
Good luck getting parts for an HK if anything breaks.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: CV67PAT on December 04, 2012, 11:10:24 PM
Good luck getting parts for an HK if anything breaks.

That's a big if.

Why would there be a hard time?
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: Super Trucker on December 04, 2012, 11:44:48 PM
Alright...I have to ask. Why the gripes against Ruger? My carry gun is the Ruger SR9C. I love the fit, finish, and comfort. The accuracy out of the box was dead on. I've put 3000+ rounds through it in less than a year. I got it for $399...of which made me happy...actually, I traded in my Springfield Armory XD-40 tactical(of which I hated) and payed maybe an extra $50. I am extremely happy with it. I just don't understand.

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On March 30, 1989, Bill Ruger sent a letter to every member of the US Congress stating:
 
"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives."
William B. Ruger

For starters
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: CV67PAT on December 04, 2012, 11:59:14 PM
If I didn't like my A-Team Mini-14 so much (the one I lost in that tragic boating accident while ice fishing last winter) I get rid of it just because of that statement.
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: 32_d3gr33s on December 05, 2012, 12:00:00 AM
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    On March 30, 1989, Bill Ruger sent a letter to every member of the US Congress stating:
     

        "The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives."
        William B. Ruger



For starters

whoa!!!  screw him!  I want a happy stick for my M&P!!!
Title: Re: First handgun purchase
Post by: gryphon on December 05, 2012, 03:26:22 AM
whoa!!!  screw him!  I want a happy stick for my M&P!!!

Ruger's attorneys wrote what served as model legislation for the Assault Weapons Ban.

Bill Ruger spoke to many firearms people such as Neal Knox who all told him not to do any of the things he was going to do, and he said, "Well somebody's got to do it; by God I will."

Bill Ruger told NBC News' Tom Brokaw that:
•   "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."
•   "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock."
•   "I see nothing wrong with waiting periods."