Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
OC Events - Calendar - Regional Map => Events - Statewide Open Carry Related => Topic started by: bigt8261 on January 17, 2014, 11:18:33 AM
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That's right folks, this isn't your typical gathering, this is a march!
Background:
On Sunday, March 3rd 2013, around 12pm, Johann Deffert was walking home from breakfast with a holstered openly carried pistol. Despite having done nothing wrong, Mr. Deffert was detained at gunpoint by the Grand Rapids Police. Mr. Deffert was forced to lie on the ground while he was handcuffed. During this detention, his firearm and identification were taken from him. Two officers then proceeded to berate Mr. Deffert for lawfully openly carrying his handgun. One officer even threatened to further harass Mr. Deffert by reporting him to the Kent County gun board. Eventually, Mr. Deffert was released after the officers were unable to find something to charge him with.
Event Details
Michigan Open Carry will be holding a demonstration of every day open carriers, the day before the one year anniversary of Mr. Deffert's detainment. Our goal is to demonstrate in force, what the typical open carrier is like, and to show that there is nothing to be concerned about. We will be walking the same route, at the same time, on the same day of the week as Mr. Deffert.
When: Sunday March 2nd @ 11:30am
Where: Start at Fuller Park (250 Fuller Ave NE, Grand Rapids 49503).
Rout: MAP (https://maps.google.com/maps?sll=42.96865019999964%2C-85.6330982421873&sspn=0.007261246303079226%2C0.018023262772840918&saddr=42.9679711%2C-85.6396867&t=m&output=classic&daddr=398+Lakeside+Dr+NE%2C+Grand+Rapids%2C+MI+49503&dirflg=w)
• Leave Fuller Park at 11:30am and head North on Fuller Ave towards Michigan St.
• Turn East on Michigan St.
• Continue down to the corner of Michigan St. and Lakeside Dr where Mr. Deffert was Detained.
• After spending some time at this destination, we will turn around and head back towards the park.
• Those that wish too will continue West down Michigan St. towards Monroe Center (City Hall).
We will be demonstrating as typical, every day open carriers, as Mr. Deffert was when he was detained.
Therefore, we ask that you carry the same gun that you carry every day. The objective is for people to look at us and realize that we are not so different, and understand that there is no cause for alarm when they see us in the grocery store, gas station, or any other place they may encounter us in our everyday lives.
Lastly, New Beginnings, which is located roughly across Michigan St from Fuller Park has cleared us for breakfast around 10:00am. Their address is 1455 Michigan Street NE, Grand Rapids, MI 49503. The restaurant does not serve alcohol so a CPL is not need to open carry there. Feel free to bring friends and family. See you then.
Facebook event:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1398966813685910/?source=1 (https://www.facebook.com/events/1398966813685910/?source=1)
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Oustanding!
Now I just need to get this STA to go through...
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wouldn't it be possible to leave the vehicles in the parking lot of NB as far from the doors as possible?
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wouldn't it be possible to leave the vehicles in the parking lot of NB as far from the doors as possible?
I don't know for sure. I would say it depends on how full the parking lot is and I would suggest that people who don't eat there don't park there.
(ETA) That being said, I will be moving over to the park.
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I would think as a courtesy, unless you're going to eat and go w/o being in the march, park in the parks parking lot.
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Will signage be provided? Or should we bring sign board and have stencils and paint provided for us?
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Added link to Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/1398966813685910/?source=1 (https://www.facebook.com/events/1398966813685910/?source=1)
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I don't know for sure. I would say it depends on how full the parking lot is and I would suggest that people who don't eat there don't park there.
(ETA) That being said, I will be moving over to the park.
I totally agree, if you don't eat don't use the businesses parking lot. However their parking lot is quite large and if we kept our vehicles on the fringe I think it would be fine to leave them there after eating.
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I'm glad this is happening. I'll be there.
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Will signage be provided? Or should we bring sign board and have stencils and paint provided for us?
Great question. I currently have zero plans for this, but if someone else would like to jump in here ....
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All depends if we want signs or not. I thought the main goal was to open carry while walking to the location of the detainment and then walking back over to City Hall area.
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Here is a map of the proposed route if interested.
https://goo.gl/maps/iWtbt
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Anyone in Jackson/Mason/Lansing areas who wants to carpool to GR for the March march, send me a message. I have room for 5 in my van, and a locked case in the back for non-CPL holders. (NOTE: I will need to see your CPL before you get in the van with a loaded.)
You can get me on Facebook (Gregg T Jenkins)
Or on skype gjenkins49201
kik ashman2k
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First post. I and a couple of friends will be making the drive down from Traverse City.
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First post. I and a couple of friends will be making the drive down from Traverse City.
Excellent and welcome!
Feel free to hit up the new member introductions section too.
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Looking forward to seeing everyone tonight!
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Tonight? I thought it was on 3/2?
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Same here
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I think he was referring to the open carry seminar in Grand Rapids tonight.
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First post. I and a couple of friends will be making the drive down from Traverse City.
I'm gonna see if I can't convince a certain former county commissioner to come down from TC..
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Dang, sorry. Wrong thread.
However, I am looking forward to seeing everyone for THIS event on the 2nd.
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I've heard talk about a Romulus march on the same day on a different website. Has the Romulus march been moved? I'm hoping it will not effect the turn out we will have, unlike the weather.
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To the best of my knowledge it is still planned for 3/2/14.
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To the best of my knowledge it is still planned for 3/2/14.
What's still I've heard talk about a Romulus march on the same day on a different website. Has the Romulus march been moved? I'm hoping it will not effect the turn out we will have, unlike the weather.
MOC is not involved in the planning of any other events, other than the Michigan Open Carry Rally in Grand Rapids, on March 2nd. Therefore, MOC does not have any information regarding any other events that may or may not be scheduled for that day.
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There is a plan to have a march in Romulus, A member of the MOC board is trying to get it changed to a day that would not interfere with the one in GR. No one said it was an MOC event, just an event defending Open Carry in the state, something I think we can all agree on.
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There is a plan to have a march in Romulus, A member of the MOC board is trying to get it changed to a day that would not interfere with the one in GR. No one said it was an MOC event, just an event defending Open Carry in the state, something I think we can all agree on.
If anyone is interested in having a MOC event in that area, the best place to start is by sending an email to the Southeastern Regional Coordinator.
seregion@miopencarry.org
This will ensure that conflicts in scheduling are minimized.
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If anyone is interested in having a MOC event in that area, the best place to start is by sending an email to the Southeastern Regional Coordinator.
seregion@miopencarry.org
This will ensure that conflicts in scheduling are minimized.
Ok, I will let Tom know. I am not sure that there is interest in having a MOC event as much as an OC event.
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Ok, I will let Tom know. I am not sure that there is interest in having a MOC event as much as an OC event.
Why wouldn't there be?
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Why wouldn't there be?
Because some parties (who will remain nameless) hates MOC and anything to do with it. These same parties have tried to organize events on their own on OCDO. When MOC offered to help them organize/promote the event, we were rebuffed. Later the organizer cancelled the event because he was frustrated there were only one or 2 people on OCDO's rather limited local audience that committed to going.
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Why would an open carrier hate MOC, the most active gun-rights organization in Michigan who also promote open carry? (http://home.comcast.net/~dannylgriffin/icon/crazy.gif)
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Why would an open carrier hate MOC, the most active gun-rights organization in Michigan who also promote open carry? (http://home.comcast.net/~dannylgriffin/icon/crazy.gif)
I could say why, but I might get banned. Then i wouldn't be able to post any SE Region events. I suppose I could have one of my sockpuppets do it for me.
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Why would an open carrier hate MOC, the most active gun-rights organization in Michigan who also promote open carry? (http://home.comcast.net/~dannylgriffin/icon/crazy.gif)
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Yet another image added -- just for you.
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Raggs, was helping me discourage someone from setting up another event on the same day as this one.
It appears that Ezer is stepping up and is going to create an official event in Romulus at some point in the future.
Thanks to the both of you.
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Raggs, was helping me discourage someone from setting up another event on the same day as this one.
It appears that Ezer is stepping up and is going to create an official event in Romulus at some point in the future.
Thanks to the both of you.
Yes I plan to, however if they want to do their thing on the 2nd, more power to them. I, like you and Raggs, tried to work with them to no avail. So be it.
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There seems to be hard feelings on both sides judging by the two threads. This is a good chance to build a little more unity. I hope this opportunity isn't wasted. Thanks Ezerharden and BigT8261.
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There seems to be hard feelings on both sides judging by the two threads. This is a good chance to build a little more unity. I hope this opportunity isn't wasted. Thanks Ezerharden and BigT8261.
Oh I plan to do something still, however it does not rely on help or participation from a certain individual on the dark side.
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Ezerharden and I have been working on this. We're still the SE team. We've got a track record, with a lot of successful experience, putting on events together.
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Forecast is calling for 16 degree high temperature in GR Sunday. This should make OC a challenge. If I show up, there's a good chance I'll be carrying concealed.
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CC is just as welcome.
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Dropleg for the win.
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http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/backers_plan_march_for_grand_r_1.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/backers_plan_march_for_grand_r_1.html)
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http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/backers_plan_march_for_grand_r_1.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/backers_plan_march_for_grand_r_1.html)
I'm not tactical enough to own a drop leg holster yet. I'm 99% sure I'll be at both the breakfast and the march though. We need to continue to gain ground not only for ourselves, but for future generations. Although taking a calm walk on a cold day is close to quite literally being as little as I could possibly do for the cause, it is at least something.
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http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/backers_plan_march_for_grand_r_1.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/backers_plan_march_for_grand_r_1.html)
If I read any more stupid comments, my head is going to explode.
And before any of you suggest that I should, I refuse.
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I'm not tactical enough to own a drop leg holster yet. I'm 99% sure I'll be at both the breakfast and the march though. We need to continue to gain ground not only for ourselves, but for future generations. Although taking a calm walk on a cold day is close to quite literally being as little as I could possibly do for the cause, it is at least something.
Do not downplay the effort Michigun, There are some who won't even do that much. I know someone who will not go to the Lansing Rally because April 29th will be too cold.
I saw a nice drop leg holster made by safariland. I can't quite justify a rig I would only use for Marches and such. Tomorrow I will likely be CCing because of the weather.
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Tomorrow I will likely be CCing because of the weather.
There's always IHOC.
(http://home.comcast.net/~dannylgriffin/icon/leaving.gif)
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Do not downplay the effort Michigun, There are some who won't even do that much. I know someone who will not go to the Lansing Rally because April 29th will be too cold.
I saw a nice drop leg holster made by safariland. I can't quite justify a rig I would only use for Marches and such. Tomorrow I will likely be CCing because of the weather.
I just wear a shorter jacket
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I just wear a shorter jacket
I almost exclusively carry in a shoulder holster, would have to be a REAL short jacket
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Well getting ready to head to Grand Rapids. For the record, this is an uncivilized time to be up ??? :o ;)
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I stayed at the first corner and counted 83 participants. This count did not include the press members.
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I stayed at the first corner and counted 83 participants. This count did not include the press members.
Holy crap!
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I stayed at the first corner and counted 83 participants. This count did not include the press members.
That's great.
On to Romulus!
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I stayed at the first corner and counted 83 participants. This count did not include the press members.
Great! I don't feel so bad about having to miss now. I'd rather be there than where I had to be, though (Detroit/Hamtramck).
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saw this
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/open_carry_march.html#incart_river_default (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/open_carry_march.html#incart_river_default)
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I stayed at the first corner and counted 83 participants. This count did not include the press members.
I think we had one late joiner about halfway on the way out.
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saw this
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/open_carry_march.html#incart_river_default (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/open_carry_march.html#incart_river_default)
Nice to meet you Raggs, as well as the other members I met.
Here is another article on MLive, this one has a short video: 'Why do you carry a gun? Watch open carry advocates explain their choice'
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/why_do_you_carry_a_gun_see_ope.html#incart_river_default (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/03/why_do_you_carry_a_gun_see_ope.html#incart_river_default)
A very brief article on Wood TV 8: March to support open carry in GR
http://woodtv.com/2014/03/02/march-to-support-open-carry-in-gr/ (http://woodtv.com/2014/03/02/march-to-support-open-carry-in-gr/)
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That's great.
On to Romulus!
Yep!
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Why do I carry a gun?....Why don't YOU carry a gun?
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Just a few of the folks that were there
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2r2lst1.jpg)
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I recognize the evil one in the picture.
Actually I recognize 3 of the 4.
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I recognize the evil one in the picture.
Actually I recognize 3 of the 4.
Beat me. I only recognize 2.
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Beat me. I only recognize 2.
I am sure that I am not one of them huh? who is the other though?
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Beat me. I only recognize 2.
The BIG one on the left? And the small one on his knees?
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Is the guy on the right Evil Creamsicle?
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Is the guy on the right Evil Creamsicle?
That is he. Pat I didn't know you and I have ever met. Kneeling is Michigander and 91 Whiskey is the one in the middle.
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That is he. Pat I didn't know you and I have ever met. Kneeling is Michigander and 91 Whiskey is the one in the middle.
I have never met anyone in the picture.
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I have never met anyone in the picture.
Perhaps in Romulus you could meet us all.
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Perhaps in Romulus you could meet us all.
Perhaps.
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That is he. Kneeling is Michigander and 91 Whiskey is the one in the middle.
Who is on the left? Is that you or Michigun or someone else?
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Is the guy on the right Evil Creamsicle?
Anyone know why Evil Creamsicle participates on OCDO but not here?
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I am sure that I am not one of them huh? who is the other though?
Michigander
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Anyone know why Evil Creamsicle participates on OCDO but not here?
I think I alluded to that recently. You commented on my comment, in fact.
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I think I alluded to that recently. You commented on my comment, in fact.
I think I remember what you are talking about. So, what's the answer? Why?
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Who is on the left? Is that you or Michigun or someone else?
Left to right Me, 91 Whiskey EvilCreamcycle and Michigander kneeling.
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I think I remember what you are talking about. So, what's the answer? Why?
I would suggest you PM him on OCDO, it would be nice to get some former MOC members back into the fold. btw yes I intend on joining. As I understand it Michigander was one of the first MOC members among the group who actually started from OCDO. I like history, always trying to learn more.
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Off-Topic comments have been moved to Ammo Dump:
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3835.0.html (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3835.0.html)
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Off-Topic comments have been moved to Ammo Dump:
http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3835.0.html (http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3835.0.html)
Sorry about that TheQ. It was a good event and I look forward to taking part in the Romulus event and possibly a dinner if time permits.
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Oooh. Someone snapped a picture of my butt. Didn't even see them do it. Lol.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/farfegnewgen/-5b66c8bc040a5287_zps184f4aba.jpg)
P.s. I know its a stainless 1911, but that does not make me brainless... ;D
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Oooh. Someone snapped a picture of my butt. Didn't even see them do it. Lol.
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/farfegnewgen/-5b66c8bc040a5287_zps184f4aba.jpg)
P.s. I know its a stainless 1911, but that does not make me brainless... ;D
We are all taught to be aware. Apparently your awareness was hindered that day. :D
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Gone in 5 seconds
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I was standing right behind him when he took that picture, I had his back, LOL.
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A fine Ruger pistol built in the fine state of AZ. Excellent carry pistol choice! 8)