Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: gryphon on March 06, 2012, 11:16:36 AM
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So says Ted Nugent.
http://armedamericanradio.org/listen-live-2/ (http://armedamericanradio.org/listen-live-2/)
He's on the entire video, but begin at 8:49 for this exchange:
Let me tell you, it is suicide to carry open! It is suicide in a world where recidivism is at an all time high. You and your children will go shopping with felons...When that felon snaps...he will check out the environment, he will see your open carry and you are the first dead guy on the scene. Don't carry open! It is suicide! You don't want to print, you don't want to draw attention to you, you don't want to be known to be packing a firearm...If you open carry, you're dead!
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Too many drugs!
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Actually Ted Nugent is famously anti-drug. He is however a paid shill for the NRA and the NRA doesn't make any money, gain any influence, or increase their power base by supporting unlicensed unregulated carry.
I also find it ironic that "The Nuge" constantly tells everybody that he carries ALL the time and dresses and acts in a way that makes him instantly recognizable, yet tells everybody ELSE to not let anyone know you carry or to attract attention to yourself.
He is the worst kind of person; he is a hypocrite.
Bronson
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Ted Nugent is a Fudd of the worst kind!
Oh and the "great conservationist" is also a convicted poacher.
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As far as I am concerned, TN is a douche bag.
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Ted Nugent is a Fudd of the worst kind!
Oh and the "great conservationist" is also a convicted poacher.
Where can I read about Ted's poaching conviction(s)? Where and when did this happen?
Personally I think Ted's logic may not be correct. I think his analysis of what might happen in that hypothetical situation may be wrong.
But since I don't see him OC'ing around town it is hard to say he is a hypocrite. Him believing that to OC would make you the first target MIGHT be right (even though some research suggests otherwise), but being wrong doesn't make you a hypocrite.
If you saw HIM doing the OC a lot but telling us not too...THEN you could say he is a hypocrite.
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Ted Nugent is a Fudd of the worst kind!
Oh and the "great conservationist" is also a convicted poacher.
Where can I read about Ted's poaching conviction(s)? Where and when did this happen?
Personally I think Ted's logic may not be correct. I think his analysis of what might happen in that hypothetical situation may be wrong.
But since I don't see him OC'ing around town it is hard to say he is a hypocrite. Him believing that to OC would make you the first target MIGHT be right (even though some research suggests otherwise), but being wrong doesn't make you a hypocrite.
If you saw HIM doing the OC a lot but telling us not too...THEN you could say he is a hypocrite.
http://news.change.org/stories/ted-nugent-caught-poaching-on-the-outdoor-channel (http://news.change.org/stories/ted-nugent-caught-poaching-on-the-outdoor-channel)
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Thanks!
Interesting story!
I will be interested to hear Ted's spin on this.
Personally I won't be helping PETA and the anti-gunner libs get Ted off the air but I would like to hear his explanation, mainly because I don't believe everything I read in the media.
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Here is another... http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2010/08/ted-nugent-busted-game-violations-california (http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2010/08/ted-nugent-busted-game-violations-california)
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Yea, I started "Google"ing it after reading this and found the F&S article.
It seems to me Ted is guilty of stupidity more than malice.
I think they failed to research the rules more than Ted intentionally breaking them, mainly because I dont think he would have aired the show if he KNEW they had broken the law.
But in the end, ignorance of the law doesn't make you innocent.
But then I wonder how many people ripping on Ted have ever hunted over bait in MI when baiting was outlawed in the Lower Penninsul??? Or hunted over more than the stated amount of bait allowed (5 gallons etc) or hunted past the legal shooting hours (30 minutes past sunset) etc...INTENTIONALLY
Glass houses...
It's not like Ted was jacklighting at night or hunting out of season.
But back to the topic. I think Ted is wrong on his theory of what would happen if a crazed shooter starts with an open carry citizen in the room....but that doesn't mean I will jump on him. It's just his theory.
But if you really think about it, he might be wrong about a crazed shooter but I will say that if you REALLY think about about it, a LOGICAL mass assassin WOULD. A LOGICAL assassin would pull his concealed weapon and take out the visibly armed person first then start shooting if he/she wanted to insure he would be able to finish his mission of mass murder.
But luckily most mass shooters are not of sound mind so "logical mass assassin" is probably an oxymoron.
I wound jump Ted just because I think he is wrong on the worry over OC given that he is and has been for decades one of the few celebrities that has used his fame and status as an outspoken defender of the 2nd Amendment. He is up there with Charlton Heston.
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I don't see a way to edit my post so I will clarify that in the last sentence I meant to say "I WON'T jump Ted"
He is one of the few celebrities that ARE NOT trying to ban guns and vote for Obama and tell us how WE should live
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To put it another way:
If YOU were in a room full of [terrorists], had a concealed weapon and had to fight your way out of the room...and ONE of them was holding a AK47 and the rest appeared to be unarmed.....
Who would YOU shoot with your first shot when you pulled your weapon?
The guy holding the AK47 of course.
Like I said, criminals don't always think that logically but it could happen. There is a point to be considered that Ted is right and it would be better to have surprise on your side.
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Surprise is an offensive tactic not a defensive one.
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I respectfully disagree.
The gentleman in Royal Oak pulled his concealed weapon in defense of a man & woman and infant and caught the offender by surprise....
There are valid arguments to be made for both points of view.
OC has some element of deterrence and hopefully prevents some crime before it starts. How much and how effective it is as a deterrent is pretty hard to measure and calculate and confirm. But it does in fact have some at the cost of making you the #1 person to be taken out if a calculating criminal is looking over the situation and still determined to carry out his criminal act.
Concealed Carry doesn't prevent a criminal from doing what he wants but it does give you tactical advantage if you get the drop on them...as in Royal Oak
I think there are pro's and con's for both sides.
I think I will, when my CCW arrives tend to be on the concealed side most of the time but will exercise my open carry rights at times as well.
What really floors me is how fast, given this is a pro gun group, all of you are to throw one of the most outspoken, most active and most EFFECTIVE defenders of the 2nd Amendment IN OUR LIFETIME under the bus???? Why??? Just because he has a different opinion on what is the most strategic way to carry??? WTF???
Never mind all the work Ted has done for DECADES to defend OUR rights...never mind the fact that IN THAT INTERVIEW Ted stated repeatedly that he defends EVERY AMERICANS right to OPEN CARRY ANYTHING ANYWHERE....no forget that....let's just focus on the fact that he believes it is better tactically to have the element of surprise that comes with concealed carry.
Yea, let's hang him high for THAT LMAO...WTF????
Talk about cutting off your noses to spite your faces.
Maybe I see it differently than all of you but I don't think we should be turning on other 2A defenders just because they prefer CC over OC.
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Nope because he is a lawbreaker and an idiot.
Being a loudmouth and famous does not effective make. What exactly has he done for 2A? Where are the bills he supported? Even when we were fighting for shall issue in MI all he did was tell his MI liaison "go get em"
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Nope because he is a lawbreaker and an idiot.
Being a loudmouth and famous does not effective make. What exactly has he done for 2A? Where are the bills he supported? Even when we were fighting for shall issue in MI all he did was tell his MI liaison "go get em"
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
To say that a certain group of firearms owners should be shot with there own guns is disgusting. Regardless of who says it. But to come from someone so revered as Ted Nugent is more troubling than if it came from Sarah Brady. Therein lies the hypocrisy I mention. Not that he is a clandestine OCer.
Insofar as anyone else "poaching" is immaterial. Ted is a prominent conservationist whose behavior many emulate. As a leader, he is to be held to a higher standard. Otherwise don't lead.
Now, if you're here to argue the fallacies of open carry, you've come to the wrong place. You can take that trolling mantra someplace else.
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Nope because he is a lawbreaker and an idiot.
Being a loudmouth and famous does not effective make. What exactly has he done for 2A? Where are the bills he supported? Even when we were fighting for shall issue in MI all he did was tell his MI liaison "go get em"
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
To say that a certain group of firearms owners should be shot with there own guns is disgusting. Regardless of who says it. But to come from someone so revered as Ted Nugent is more troubling than if it came from Sarah Brady. Therein lies the hypocrisy I mention. Not that he is a clandestine OCer.
Insofar as anyone else "poaching" is immaterial. Ted is a prominent conservationist whose behavior many emulate. As a leader, he is to be held to a higher standard. Otherwise don't lead.
Now, if you're here to argue the fallacies of open carry, you've come to the wrong place. You can take that trolling mantra someplace else.
Where did he say that OCers "should" be shot with their own guns?
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I don't see a way to edit my post so I will clarify that in the last sentence I meant to say "I WON'T jump Ted"
He is one of the few celebrities that ARE NOT trying to ban guns and vote for Obama and tell us how WE should live
We reserve the privilege to edit your own posts to dues paying members.
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There are benefits to Open and Concealed Carry. At the end of the day it is an individual's choice on a case-by-case basis to determine which is best to exercise in a given situation.
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Where did he say that OCers "should" be shot with their own guns?
Google is your friend.
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I love the 2nd Amendment
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There are benefits to Open and Concealed Carry. At the end of the day it is an individual's choice on a case-by-case basis to determine which is best to exercise in a given situation.
Amen
I just don't think we should string up Ted Nugent because he thinks it is better to carry concealed while agreeing and defending the right to carry open.
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Where did he say that OCers "should" be shot with their own guns?
Google is your friend.
I have "Goggled" my fingers off. I can't find one instance where Ted Nugent has said that people that Open Carry should be shot with their own guns.
And I seriously doubt you can either. But if you can back up that ridiculous statement I will renounce Ted Nugent.
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Nope because he is a lawbreaker and an idiot.
Being a loudmouth and famous does not effective make. What exactly has he done for 2A? Where are the bills he supported? Even when we were fighting for shall issue in MI all he did was tell his MI liaison "go get em"
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
To say that a certain group of firearms owners should be shot with there own guns is disgusting. Regardless of who says it. But to come from someone so revered as Ted Nugent is more troubling than if it came from Sarah Brady. Therein lies the hypocrisy I mention. Not that he is a clandestine OCer.
Insofar as anyone else "poaching" is immaterial. Ted is a prominent conservationist whose behavior many emulate. As a leader, he is to be held to a higher standard. Otherwise don't lead.
Now, if you're here to argue the fallacies of open carry, you've come to the wrong place. You can take that trolling mantra someplace else.
If I believed there was something wrong with open carry I would not have done so at the lunch in Grand Rapids nor would I have joined Michigan Open Carry.
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Nope because he is a lawbreaker and an idiot.
Being a loudmouth and famous does not effective make. What exactly has he done for 2A? Where are the bills he supported? Even when we were fighting for shall issue in MI all he did was tell his MI liaison "go get em"
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
To say that a certain group of firearms owners should be shot with there own guns is disgusting. Regardless of who says it. But to come from someone so revered as Ted Nugent is more troubling than if it came from Sarah Brady. Therein lies the hypocrisy I mention. Not that he is a clandestine OCer.
Insofar as anyone else "poaching" is immaterial. Ted is a prominent conservationist whose behavior many emulate. As a leader, he is to be held to a higher standard. Otherwise don't lead.
Now, if you're here to argue the fallacies of open carry, you've come to the wrong place. You can take that trolling mantra someplace else.
I find it hilarious that a person who identifies himself as the "Resident Troll" is accusing me of "trolling" for not agreeing with him.
Do I have to agree with everything every member says, no matter how unsubstantiated and hypocritical it is in order to be a member?
If so you cans can consider my membership fee a one time donation because I believe in what you are trying to do even if you think you know what is best for everyone.
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I don't see a way to edit my post so I will clarify that in the last sentence I meant to say "I WON'T jump Ted"
He is one of the few celebrities that ARE NOT trying to ban guns and vote for Obama and tell us how WE should live
We reserve the privilege to edit your own posts to dues paying members.
Then you should enable my ability to edit my post.
Thanks
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"IT IS SUICIDE TO OPEN CARRY" -Ted Nugent
"IF YOU OPEN CARRY YOU'RE DEAD!!!" -Ted Nugent
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There's a difference between a 'valid point' and an opinion. Valid points have data to back them up. Opinions are just more hot air.
If he wanted to be an 'effective' spokesperson, he needs to advocate the entire Second Amendment, not just those parts he feels are 'OK'. That's how we go ourselves in this mess to begin with- self appointed 'spokesmen' throwing one part of the movement under the bus for their own aggrandizement. It's shameful & pathetic.
OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?
In the end, you're both wrong; 'its the mission profile, stupid'.
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There's a difference between a 'valid point' and an opinion. Valid points have data to back them up. Opinions are just more hot air.
If he wanted to be an 'effective' spokesperson, he needs to advocate the entire Second Amendment, not just those parts he feels are 'OK'. That's how we go ourselves in this mess to begin with- self appointed 'spokesmen' throwing one part of the movement under the bus for their own aggrandizement. It's shameful & pathetic.
OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?
In the end, you're both wrong; 'its the mission profile, stupid'.
And in the interview in question Ted stated multiple times he supports the right to open carry. He just doesn't think it is the smartest way to go.
That is his opinion not an attack on OC'ers. He supports the right to OC, CC anytime anywhere. If he happens to think your putting a target on your back by OC then so be it.
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"IT IS SUICIDE TO OPEN CARRY" -Ted Nugent
"IF YOU OPEN CARRY YOU'RE DEAD!!!" -Ted Nugent
Neither of those statements where Ted says he believes you are making yourself a target for the bad guys and shouldn't give up tactical advantage equals him saying "OCers should be shot with their own guns"
Just sayin...
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Then you should enable me to edit my post.
As explained in my previous post, post editing is reserved for dues paying members. At the time I write this post, our records do not indicate you are a dues paying member. If you joined at one of our events yesterday, please note it may take a few days for our record to be updated. Compared to other organizations in our area and industry -- a few days is a short wait. Most other organizations measure their membership processing turn around as a "few weeks".
Not a member? You can join here (http://miopencarry.org/?q=node/2).
Until you join, you will not be "enabled to edit [your] posts".
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Ted, White and Blue book signing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lghtA7zp6Q8#)
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Then you should enable me to edit my post.
As explained in my previous post, post editing is reserved for dues paying members. At the time I write this post, our records do not indicate you are a dues paying member. If you joined at one of our events yesterday, please note it may take a few days for our record to be updated. Compared to other organizations in our area and industry -- a few days is a short wait. Most other organizations measure their membership processing turn around as a "few weeks".
Not a member? You can join here (http://miopencarry.org/?q=node/2).
Until you join, you will not be "enabled to edit [your] posts".
I paid my dues in cash yesterday at the Grand Rapids Gander Mtn seminar and will happily wait for you and Ryan to follow though on whatever process it is you have before you graciously grant me the ability to edit.
Until then you will have to put up with me using "Reply" to clarify my typing mistakes.
Thanks
Oh...and thank you all for the warm "Welcome to the group" and "Thank you for supporting OC" LOL
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Phil he did join yesterday. His was the family membership I processed. It is just not in the system yet.
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Ted, White and Blue book signing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lghtA7zp6Q8#)
I stuggled to hear most of what Ted said but I don't believe he said he feels we don't have the right to OC.
He obviously doesn't believe it is the way to go but that is different than him not supporting OC, trying to ban OC or especially as one poster exaggerated it saying "OCers should be shot with their own gun".
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Phil he did join yesterday. His was the family membership I processed. It is just not in the system yet.
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Since Ryan confirmed the membership, I have updated the records (partly) -- our Secretary will finish processing your membership shortly.
Thank you for joining MOC -- I see you have a passion for OC as well as Ted. Please know Ted doesn't think OC is a good idea -- as demonstrated in the video I posted a few minutes ago. That being said -- the same video seemingly indicates that he supports your right to OC -- he just doesn't think it's a good idea.
There are hundreds of threads like this on MGO's Forum (people arguing and bickering that they don't support OC or that OC or CC is better than the other).
I will not tolerate them here. I am this " " close to shutting this thread down. I will caution the participants of this thread be to respectful of one another.
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Phil he did join yesterday. His was the family membership I processed. It is just not in the system yet.
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Thanks Ryan
Hopefully everyone understands that if I was against OC I wouldn't have done it at the lunch and signed up for a membership for my wife and I
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I am closing this thread for a period of one hour so people can chill. I'll consider opening it after that hour.
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OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?
Why do some OCers feel the same need -- to convert CCers to their way of thinking. We can tell someone about the benefits of Open Carry -- but at the end of the day, if they decide not to do it, that is an individual choice and I will support it.
And yes -- I'm using my l33t admin powers to post to a locked thread ;)
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Now that we all have had a chance to breath, stop, and read each others' posts - I will reopen the thread. I will not tolerate the infighting that happens on MGO about CC v OC. I will not tolerate personal attacks during a civil discussion.
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Well, first off, I do want to apologize for anything I posted that offended any other poster.
It is very obvious that Ted Nugent does NOT believe that OC is the smart way to go. So be it. That is his opinion.
It is also very obvious that Ted Nugent supports our RIGHT to Open Carry.
I think people should try and make sure they don't confuse the two.
Have a good day and shoot straight.
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Well, first off, I do want to apologize for anything I posted that offended any other poster.
It is very obvious that Ted Nugent does NOT believe that OC is the smart way to go. So be it. That is his opinion.
It is also very obvious that Ted Nugent supports our RIGHT to Open Carry.
I think people should try and make sure they don't confuse the two.
Have a good day and shoot straight.
Apology accepted and I think I can buy into the rest of this statement with the caveat that I respectfully disagree with Ted.
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OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?
Why do some OCers feel the same need -- to convert CCers to their way of thinking. We can tell someone about the benefits of Open Carry -- but at the end of the day, if they decide not to do it, that is an individual choice and I will support it.
Amen
I personally will utilize both methods of carry...sometimes at the same time! :) (I am waiting on the gun board for my CPL approval but have been OC for quite a while)
All I know is that instead of attacking other 2A defenders we should be supporting each other and no matter how you cut it Ted Nugent is a 2A defender as are all here.
Way I see it we are on the same team no matter how we chose to carry our weapons.
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Well, first off, I do want to apologize for anything I posted that offended any other poster.
It is very obvious that Ted Nugent does NOT believe that OC is the smart way to go. So be it. That is his opinion.
It is also very obvious that Ted Nugent supports our RIGHT to Open Carry.
I think people should try and make sure they don't confuse the two.
Have a good day and shoot straight.
Apology accepted and I think I can buy into the rest of this statement with the caveat that I respectfully disagree with Ted.
On this topic I disagree with him also.
But I won't throw him under the bus for it given all the other good work he does for 2A, nor do I think he is terrible because he believes the element of concealment/surprise gives people the most advantage.
In the end, I am more concerned about fighting for our right to carry however we choose than which way we choose and I believe Ted is the same deep down...even if he is vocal about which way he thinks is better.
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I lost the last bit of respect I had for Ted Nugent when he hosed over his personal friend and fellow MI 2A activist Skip Coryell. Skip organized the D.C. 2A March. When he floated the idea by T.N. he was told it was a great idea that if the there was anything he (T.N.) could do like speaking or performing to just let him know.
Skip and many others busted their tails to get this thing off the ground and keep it going. There were many speakers and, if I remember correctly, they all waived their customary speaking fee to be a part of this historic event. When T.N.'s people were contacted Skip was informed that Ted wouldn't do it unless he was paid....$10,000 I believe, but I may have that number wrong. Remember Ted is Skip's personal friend, former employer, and mentor and Ted threw him under the bus.
He will never have my respect.
Bronson
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There's a difference between a 'valid point' and an opinion. Valid points have data to back them up. Opinions are just more hot air.
If he wanted to be an 'effective' spokesperson, he needs to advocate the entire Second Amendment, not just those parts he feels are 'OK'. That's how we go ourselves in this mess to begin with- self appointed 'spokesmen' throwing one part of the movement under the bus for their own aggrandizement. It's shameful & pathetic.
OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?
In the end, you're both wrong; 'its the mission profile, stupid'.
And in the interview in question Ted stated multiple times he supports the right to open carry. He just doesn't think it is the smartest way to go.
That is his opinion not an attack on OC'ers. He supports the right to OC, CC anytime anywhere. If he happens to think your putting a target on your back by OC then so be it.
If he wants to be a spokesman for gun rights, he needs to tread a bit more lightly; perhaps next he can offend people based on the caliber they they carry, or perhaps he could alienate the Glock contingent.
We have a long history of people's opinions being taken for facts, and then turning into laws. An effective spokesman would temper his words, keep opinions out, and stick to the facts. We have too many divisive 'leaders' as it is; we don't need another.
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There's a difference between a 'valid point' and an opinion. Valid points have data to back them up. Opinions are just more hot air.
If he wanted to be an 'effective' spokesperson, he needs to advocate the entire Second Amendment, not just those parts he feels are 'OK'. That's how we go ourselves in this mess to begin with- self appointed 'spokesmen' throwing one part of the movement under the bus for their own aggrandizement. It's shameful & pathetic.
OCers support your right to conceal; why do some CCers feel that they must convert OCers to their way of thinking?
In the end, you're both wrong; 'its the mission profile, stupid'.
And in the interview in question Ted stated multiple times he supports the right to open carry. He just doesn't think it is the smartest way to go.
That is his opinion not an attack on OC'ers. He supports the right to OC, CC anytime anywhere. If he happens to think your putting a target on your back by OC then so be it.
If he wants to be a spokesman for gun rights, he needs to tread a bit more lightly; perhaps next he can offend people based on the caliber they they carry, or perhaps he could alienate the Glock contingent.
We have a long history of people's opinions being taken for facts, and then turning into laws. An effective spokesman would temper his words, keep opinions out, and stick to the facts. We have too many divisive 'leaders' as it is; we don't need another.
I do agree that he could/should just stop when he says he supports the right to Open Carry and not go on to be so vocal about how he thinks your making yourself a target and "committing suicide" etc. If he thinks it is better to carry concealed that is his choice. I can see his point and consider it or not for myself. But in the end the important thing is that we are all fighting for the right to carry not which way to carry and how we carry should be ok just being left to personal choice.
But then knowing when to shut up is not Ted's strongest trait.
In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them. So I am happy to see the rare celebrity that is able and willing to make noise for conservatives, patriots and gun owners. I take the bad with the good when it comes to Ted Nugent.
I am disappointed if Ted, as was suggested in the prior post, would not speak at a 2A Event without getting paid. I can see paying his travel expenses but not speaking fee. I can understand if he had a conflict and could not make every single 2A event but if he was willing and able to do it and simply would not unless he got paid a speaker fee then I am disappointed in him. It would be better to see the speaker fee used to fight the anti's
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In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them.
It'd be nice if more people gave more care to throwing around the "L" word. I have a "Liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism) Agenda". I'd ask the rest of you why you don't as well...
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In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them.
It'd be nice if more people gave more care to throwing around the "L" word. I have a "Liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism) Agenda". I'd ask the rest of you why you don't as well...
Stop thread jacking. :D
I like Uncle Ted just fine.... I think he could do some things better for certain, but I most certainly agree with his sentiment that we don't need any piece of paper to know that we have the right to defend ourselves. Ted's commentary where he speaks of parachuting onto the planet and having no knowledge of the 2A or constitution, but still knowing that he values his life and will defend it if necessary.... l
So that stuff is good... but sometimes I find his stuff to be pretty shamelessly self promoting...
I agree with TERMINATOR that Ted shoudln't be skewered just because he doesn't agree with OC, but unfortunately, I think people here have plenty of other things to dislike about him.
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I voted for Ron Paul. I realize what a huge mistake that is now that 2A "Super Advocate" Ted Nugent has endorsed Mitt Romney. I just wish he had come out of the closet before the Michigan primary, so I'd have known just how pro-2A Romney was. I always thought he was a closet liberal. But since Ted supports him, I now know he has got to be a strong supporter of our 2A rights.
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In the end, the reason I support Ted is because 99% of the Hollywood and Celebrity types are very vocal about their liberal agendas and shoving Obama and gun control onto the (in their minds) feeble minded public that need Hollywood to think for them.
It'd be nice if more people gave more care to throwing around the "L" word. I have a "Liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism) Agenda". I'd ask the rest of you why you don't as well...
Point taken...
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Point taken...
I disagree. Classical liberalism (at least as defined by Wiki) has about as much to do with modern liberalism as, well, nothing. The ideas and laws that modern leftists subscribe to don't reflect many of the traits of classical liberalism.
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I voted for Ron Paul. I realize what a huge mistake that is now that 2A "Super Advocate" Ted Nugent has endorsed Mitt Romney. I just wish he had come out of the closet before the Michigan primary, so I'd have known just how pro-2A Romney was. I always thought he was a closet liberal. But since Ted supports him, I now know he has got to be a strong supporter of our 2A rights.
</sarcasm>
Snickers
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I voted for Ron Paul. I realize what a huge mistake that is now that 2A "Super Advocate" Ted Nugent has endorsed Mitt Romney. I just wish he had come out of the closet before the Michigan primary, so I'd have known just how pro-2A Romney was. I always thought he was a closet liberal. But since Ted supports him, I now know he has got to be a strong supporter of our 2A rights.
Actually I like Ron Paul's and Santorum's politics better than Mitt's. But I voted for Mitt because I think he offers us the best odds of removing our socialist leader from the Presidents Office. I struggled with it all the way into the voting booth but I finally decided that Mitt probably offers us the best chance to swing enough of the middle of the road independents which won it for Obama last time and will be key to defeating him this time. It was hard for me to pull the trigger for Mitt because I am VERY much on the right wing conservative side.
As far as Ted endorsing him....on Ted's Facebook page he discusses in detail his hesitations to endorse Mitt and the conversation he had with Mitt and the commitments he got from Mitt around 2A before he could/would throw his hat in the ring for Mitt.
As to whether Mitt lives up to those commitments???? Hopefully we get the chance to find out after the election in November.
I will happily and feverishly support whatever candidate the Republicans nominate to go against Obama. I am "ABO"...Anybody But Obama" myself.
The most middle of the road Republican ever would still be way more conservative than Obama
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Point taken...
I disagree. Classical liberalism (at least as defined by Wiki) has about as much to do with modern liberalism as, well, nothing. The ideas and laws that modern leftists subscribe to don't reflect many of the traits of classical liberalism.
Yes. I of course was referring to "Left Wing Politics"