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Title: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: jgillmanjr on March 10, 2014, 01:48:32 PM
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Seriously? A week long schedule maintenance window? Amateur hour.
Title: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: TheQ on March 10, 2014, 01:51:41 PM
I'm not sure the scope of their maintenance. Could be a complete overhaul. I know, given the customization done here, it'd take some time to upgrade SMF on our Forum.

They are a volunteer org too...
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: jgillmanjr on March 10, 2014, 01:58:36 PM
I'm not sure the scope of their maintenance. Could be a complete overhaul. I know, given the customization done here, it'd take some time to upgrade SMF on our Forum.

They are a volunteer org too...

Agreed, significant upgrades *can* take a while. However, there are also preparations you can do to significantly reduce the actual downtime.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: TheQ on March 10, 2014, 02:05:31 PM
Agreed, significant upgrades *can* take a while. However, there are also preparations you can do to significantly reduce the actual downtime.

Agreed.  Hey -- speaking of upgrading SMF, are you up for an IT project? ;)  If so, I'll put you in touch with out IT Director Jason Reese....
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: bigt8261 on March 10, 2014, 02:07:45 PM
They are already in touch. There was even an agenda item about them on our last leadership meeting. Perhaps we can actually get to that agenda item if one, or even both, were to show up. :)
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: jgillmanjr on March 10, 2014, 02:12:01 PM
Yeah, he wanted me to improve the backup situation right now, but I still have yet to get creds.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: SD40VE on March 10, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
MGO was switching servers. that requires a full data backup, then move everything over and reload the data. its not a over night thing and they probably wanted to make enough time alloted for the move.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: jgillmanjr on March 10, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
MGO was switching servers. that requires a full data backup, then move everything over and reload the data. its not a over night thing and they probably wanted to make enough time alloted for the move.

Static content is easy. Then you send over a dump with some relatively current data. Load that up and/or test any conversion that needs to be done. Get the process for that down. THEN toss into mx mode, do a final data sync, convert as needed, dns changeover, done.

Then again, I've also planned these things out for $$$ customers as well.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: part deux on March 10, 2014, 06:27:55 PM
They are also upgrading the software.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: Jeff on March 10, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
Static content is easy. Then you send over a dump with some relatively current data. Load that up and/or test any conversion that needs to be done. Get the process for that down. THEN toss into mx mode, do a final data sync, convert as needed, dns changeover, done.

Then again, I've also planned these things out for $$$ customers as well.

SO basically a wizard is going to cast a spell and by sheer magic or magnets it will start working again....gotcha.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: jgillmanjr on March 10, 2014, 07:46:06 PM
SO basically a wizard is going to cast a spell and by sheer magic or magnets it will start working again....gotcha.

Um, no, that is not what I said.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: CV67PAT on March 10, 2014, 08:07:47 PM
What's a MGO?
Title: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: dmd7765 on March 10, 2014, 08:15:29 PM
A week was scheduled in case something went wrong. Four versions of vbulliten to be installed, then customization once vb is up to date. It won't take a week, I guess up sometime Wednesday


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Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: Ezerharden on March 10, 2014, 08:22:28 PM
Agreed.  Hey -- speaking of upgrading SMF, are you up for an IT project? ;)  If so, I'll put you in touch with out IT Director Jason Reese....

We have one of those?  ;D
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: linux203 on March 10, 2014, 10:16:54 PM
Upgrades should never take a week.  Clone the server offline, perform the upgrade.  Take notes.  Rinse and repeat.  Eventually, you will have a "playbook" to perform an upgrade, know all the steps, know exactly how long it will take, and finally, you will know if something isn't going right.

With a scale of hundreds of thousands, I have one chance to get it right.  I never want the first time to be that one chance.

MGO was switching servers. that requires a full data backup, then move everything over and reload the data. its not a over night thing and they probably wanted to make enough time alloted for the move.
There are ways to do incremental transfers, even down to the transaction level. ;)
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: jgillmanjr on March 11, 2014, 07:27:27 AM
There are ways to do incremental transfers, even down to the transaction level. ;)

Oh, you mean XtraBackup (http://www.percona.com/software/percona-xtrabackup#note-1)? ;)

We've ran benchmarks, and XtraDB itself smokes vanilla InnoDB in many circumstances.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: linux203 on March 11, 2014, 08:26:59 PM
I was thinking either MySQL or MS-SQL replication.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: part deux on March 11, 2014, 08:53:53 PM
According to the FB page, the VB updates have to be done one by one in sequence.
Title: Re: Week long scheduled downtime at MGO
Post by: jgillmanjr on March 11, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
I was thinking either MySQL or MS-SQL replication.

Eh.. yeah... I guess that's a way to do it. Wouldn't be my preferred way, but it would work if done properly.