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Open Carry Specific => OC Experiences => Topic started by: birddseedd on July 16, 2014, 10:01:08 PM

Title: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 16, 2014, 10:01:08 PM
"Hurting the cause"

very emotional guy. he actually tried to talk some nonsense about illegal immigration to show how facts don't mean anything. yep! Facts don't mean anything.

ya know, i get more flack from pro gun people than i do anti gun people.

not kidding on that.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Jeff on July 16, 2014, 10:05:00 PM
What on earth do you do that you have so many problems with people?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 16, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
OC everyday everywhere i go?

I had been standing in the tool set isle at lowes for about half an hour or so trying to figure out what tools set to get.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 16, 2014, 10:07:44 PM
I told him about this site, encouraged him to take a look at it,

he said he has been to a tea party meeting before.
Title: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TheQ on July 17, 2014, 10:05:05 AM

What on earth do you do that you have so many problems with people?

One has to wonder. I've been OCing for 4 years and have had half the problems.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: bigt8261 on July 17, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
ya know, i get more flack from pro gun people than i do anti gun people.

Do you at least put your paddle inside your waistband now?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 03:07:40 PM
How can someone argue that you can't guide your life with facts... sad thing is that guy probably votes
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 05:48:31 PM
Do you at least put your paddle inside your waistband now?

yea i do, but iv been wanting to get the OC attachment for the serpa and see how i like it. no paddle, so it might move around more, but does drop 2 inches. also has to be weaved through the belt rather than attached to the belt after you are wearing it.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2014, 08:08:04 PM
I have a very thick leather belt that I got from foxx holsters, if I can weave that through my holsters then anyone can.

Your serpa shouldn't move around a lot with a good belt.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 08:12:30 PM
thats good to know. now i need 17 dollars
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2014, 08:35:21 PM
$17 for a gun belt?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
17 for a new hook thingajigger for my serpa.

I bought the conceal version. covers less of the gun, rides high, uses the paddle hook up. the OC serpa uses a different hook up, lowers the gun 2 inches. costs 17 if bought separate from the rest of the holster
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2014, 09:04:39 PM
Might as well just buy a new Serpa and have two IMO.  It's like $12 more for another one.  Then you can keep one on your primary belt, and if you ever throw something else on real quick you can toss your paddle rig onto that for easy on/off.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 17, 2014, 09:11:07 PM
yea i do, but iv been wanting to get the OC attachment for the serpa and see how i like it. no paddle, so it might move around more, but does drop 2 inches. also has to be weaved through the belt rather than attached to the belt after you are wearing it.

What do you mean "OC attachment?"  The paddle is an OC attachment.  Do you mean belt attachment instead of the paddle?  I think I have a couple of Serpa belt attachments.  You can have one if you want.

Btw, I love the Serpa paddle.  At least the one with the CQC, it is extremely secure!
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 17, 2014, 09:15:40 PM
That is nice of you Dan, as Birdd is tight on money. I'll offer to send a shipping label to you (postage) if you two make a deal. Just PM me if you want.

Tom
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: bigt8261 on July 17, 2014, 09:31:36 PM
Bird, you never answered my question. Do you at least put the paddle inside your waistband now?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Jeff on July 17, 2014, 09:33:10 PM
Bird, you never answered my question. Do you at least put the paddle inside your waistband now?

He quoted your post and said "yeah I do"
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
Might as well just buy a new Serpa and have two IMO.  It's like $12 more for another one.  Then you can keep one on your primary belt, and if you ever throw something else on real quick you can toss your paddle rig onto that for easy on/off.

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Jacket-Slot-Duty-Belt-Loop,839,82.htm

That is the belt loop that I am wanting to try. It comes with the regular serpa. I prefer the CQC Serpa, which comes with a different belt loop. The CQC Serpa comes with a paddle, and a belt loop, but a different belt loop that raises the holster up 2" compared to the regular belt loop
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 09:40:47 PM
He quoted your post and said "yeah I do"

what he said
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 17, 2014, 09:54:20 PM
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Jacket-Slot-Duty-Belt-Loop,839,82.htm

That is the belt loop that I am wanting to try. It comes with the regular serpa. I prefer the CQC Serpa, which comes with a different belt loop. The CQC Serpa comes with a paddle, and a belt loop, but a different belt loop that raises the holster up 2" compared to the regular belt loop

Do you wear a duty belt all of the time? Or do you just like your holster to move around and up and down?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 09:56:58 PM
Not sure what you mean. I wear a gun belt all the time. using the paddle the holster doesnt move at all. i do have to keep it a tad tight to keep my pants from drooping.

i'm hoping the other belt loop wont add much movement.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: bigt8261 on July 17, 2014, 10:06:43 PM
He quoted your post and said "yeah I do"

Kinda hard to keep track of everything. It's like one gigantic train wreck spread over 5 or 6 threads in different sections.

It's only 5 or 6 threads right?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 17, 2014, 10:13:11 PM
Not sure what you mean. I wear a gun belt all the time. using the paddle the holster doesnt move at all. i do have to keep it a tad tight to keep my pants from drooping.

i'm hoping the other belt loop wont add much movement.

I asked if you wore a duty belt? The link you provided is for a belt loop attachment for a DUTY BELT not a standard width belt for your pants. A belt that is 2-2.5 inches.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 17, 2014, 10:17:01 PM
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Jacket-Slot-Duty-Belt-Loop,839,82.htm

That is the belt loop that I am wanting to try.

You want a belt drop holster?  Why? You wear body armor that interferes with a regular ride?  That's why they make those low ride holsters.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
You want a belt drop holster?  Why? You wear body armor that interferes with a regular ride?  That's why they make those low ride holsters.

its not for a drop holster, that drops it down to your leg. this only drops it 2", a tad closer to my hand.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
I asked if you wore a duty belt? The link you provided is for a belt loop attachment for a DUTY BELT not a standard width belt for your pants. A belt that is 2-2.5 inches.

mine is about an inch and a half. and good n thick.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 10:28:08 PM
I asked if you wore a duty belt? The link you provided is for a belt loop attachment for a DUTY BELT not a standard width belt for your pants. A belt that is 2-2.5 inches.

this one won't work then?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 17, 2014, 10:47:11 PM
this one won't work then?

It can work, as long as you don't mind all of the slop. It is made for a belt that is 2.5 inches, so a belt 1.5 inches would fit.

Think the belt a cop wears, you know, his DUTY BELT.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 10:50:48 PM
never seen one in person so i did not think it to be quite that big.

any other clip for it that will give me a bit of a lower ride?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 17, 2014, 10:54:25 PM
Talk to Gryphon about his offer?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 11:01:53 PM
well. searching their site, I think that is the only belt loop they have other than the one that came with the holster.

I could just mod it to fit a smaller belt. just glue in a spacer.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 17, 2014, 11:07:19 PM
Okay, WTF? I give up, I pointed you to something again and once again you choose not to take the info provided. I give up. I really want to help you but you keep proving to me you dont want to help yourself.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CV67PAT on July 17, 2014, 11:10:33 PM
Okay, WTF? I give up, I pointed you to something again and once again you choose not to take the info provided. I give up. I really want to help you but you keep proving to me you dont want to help yourself.
Man, you give up way too easy.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 17, 2014, 11:12:15 PM
Okay, WTF? I give up, I pointed you to something again and once again you choose not to take the info provided. I give up. I really want to help you but you keep proving to me you dont want to help yourself.

did i miss a post?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CV67PAT on July 17, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
did i miss a post?
Are you reading in the right thread?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 17, 2014, 11:19:19 PM
Good point Pat.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: part deux on July 18, 2014, 07:49:39 AM
Are you reading in the right thread?

No you didn't :)
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: SD40VE on July 18, 2014, 08:32:54 AM
he can have my serpa belt attachment. i dont have a serpa anymore.
Title: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: autosurgeon on July 18, 2014, 11:22:03 AM
I also have an unused Serpa belt drop attachment. You can have it if you attend a seminar in the Kalamazoo region. I likely will be one of the presenters...


Stay informed about MOC events in your area http://miopencarry.org/updates
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 18, 2014, 11:33:02 AM
If you don't need it, I would much appreciate it.

although, if you are offering it as a way to get me to come out, there is no need, i'm planning on going when it is in my area already.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 18, 2014, 01:05:50 PM
its not for a drop holster, that drops it down to your leg. this only drops it 2", a tad closer to my hand.

I'm not talking about a thigh rig, that's a leg drop holster.  I'm talking about a belt drop holster that drops your pistol below your belt line.  Yes, it's closer to your hand, but that platform is more unstable.  The primary audience for those is LEOs who wear kevlar vests, or maybe winter gear, where the vest or coat interferes with the higher riding holster and gun.  There's nothing wrong with grabbing at your belt line to draw your pistol.

By and large, we have gone away from lower riding holsters like Barney Fife wore.  Anything hanging below your belt will flop around more, and will also be incredibly hard to wear and draw from in a car.  You want the tight, stable platform that is achieved by a secure holster where the belt crosses the gun.

You and autosurgeon (Ryan) live fairly close to one another I think.  You're in the Kalamazoo area and I believe he's down the road in the Coloma area.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 18, 2014, 01:11:58 PM
i don't see how i can really draw in a car, belt covers the gun and its kinda pinched in the corner of the seat.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 18, 2014, 01:18:19 PM
How does your belt cover your gun?  Are you talking about concealed carry where your gun is inside your pants?  Even then you can still draw in a vehicle.

Did you read the newsletter?  There are two videos on vehicle draw in this issue.  I can draw while sitting in my Corvette.  My SUVs are even easier.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 18, 2014, 01:19:10 PM
seat belt covers it.

can i have a link to the videos?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 18, 2014, 01:33:24 PM
can i have a link to the videos?

You already have them, they are in the newsletter.  Go to page 12, bottom half, and move your cursor (or finger if using a tablet or smartphone) to the headings "Drawing a Pistol In a Car" and "Introduction to Vehicle Defense."  Click on them.

The first video shows drawing while wearing a seat belt, the second shows drawing while removing a seat belt.  The second is an excerpt of a longer full training video on tactics from Thunder Ranch.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 18, 2014, 01:34:15 PM
I do not get said news letter
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: SD40VE on July 18, 2014, 01:36:37 PM
How does your belt cover your gun?  Are you talking about concealed carry where your gun is inside your pants?  Even then you can still draw in a vehicle.

Did you read the newsletter?  There are two videos on vehicle draw in this issue.  I can draw while sitting in my Corvette.  My SUVs are even easier.

vette? someone have a midlife crisis? hehe  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :|> :|> :|> :banglaugh: :banglaugh:
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 18, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
I will have a vette by midlife, has nothing to do with a crisis, its my plan.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 18, 2014, 01:46:42 PM
I do not get said news letter

First, click here and subscribe to newsletter and legislative and event email updates: http://miopencarry.org/updates/

Second, click here for this issue's newlestter announcement and link for those people who never open their email: http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,4362.0.html
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: bigt8261 on July 18, 2014, 01:53:20 PM
I do not get said news letter

Hey, look at that. How is it possible you didn't post in that thread?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 18, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
vette? someone have a midlife crisis?

http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,3419.0.html
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: TucTom on July 18, 2014, 02:05:08 PM
Hey, look at that. How is it possible you didn't post in that thread?

You are asking a LOT Tom.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CV67PAT on July 20, 2014, 12:02:41 PM
I will have a vette by midlife, has nothing to do with a crisis, its my plan.
You can't even afford bullets. How do you think you'll ever be able to afford a Vette?

I forgot.... LOTTO
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 20, 2014, 01:43:19 PM
How do you guys respond when a "pro gun" guy tries to tell you that you are going to cause more gun restrictions by oc?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CV67PAT on July 20, 2014, 08:39:42 PM
How do you guys respond when a "pro gun" guy tries to tell you that you are going to cause more gun restrictions by oc?
I usually order fries with mine.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Ezerharden on July 20, 2014, 08:49:03 PM
How do you guys respond when a "pro gun" guy tries to tell you that you are going to cause more gun restrictions by oc?

Don't know. Never had a "pro gun" person say that to me, only anti-Open Carry people.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 20, 2014, 08:51:20 PM
how do you respond
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Jeff on July 20, 2014, 10:14:32 PM
You tell them, "when people see me open carry and see how polite and respectful and friendly I am they might think twice about the lies that are spread on tv and stop acting like every new restriction is my fault"  or "quit trying to divide us up you jackass"
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 20, 2014, 11:28:27 PM
How do you guys respond when a "pro gun" guy tries to tell you that you are going to cause more gun restrictions by oc?

Again, read the July 2014 newsletter.  Page 11, bottom half.

“Open carry is bad pro-gun PR and will likely lead to stricter gun control.”

Open carry is becoming more prevalent, more widespread across the United States, and—with just a couple of narrow exceptions—most states are simultaneously enacting more pro-gun legislation every year. Although some do have limits, 44 states currently allow open carry. Arkansas recently joined the ranks of full open carry states, and South Carolina had a bill working its way through the legislature that would have also allowed unlicensed open carry. Unfortunately it was killed for this session. Texas is also working very hard to legalize open carry. As with the other spurious anti-open carry arguments, the facts prove just the opposite of what they claim. More states are expanding their “stand your ground” laws and slowly eliminating gun-free zones.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 20, 2014, 11:33:57 PM
Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 us 105
Shuttleworth vs city of birmingham, alabama 317 us 262
miranda vs airizona 384 us 436

seems to me they could just sue the state. telling someone they can not have a gun without a license is wrong. its been established many times.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 20, 2014, 11:34:49 PM
So, birdseed, to recap, more and more people are open carrying every year.  Yet, despite the growing popularity with open carry, almost all states are simultaneously passing pro-2A gun legislation every year.  They are strengthening and expanding 'stand your ground' laws, and they are slowly eliminating gun free zones.  Look at the newsletter, left hand column.  Just peruse down through the list of states that passed pro-2A legislation in the first half of 2014.  There's a lot.  Download and read the back issues of the newsletter and do the same thing.  See how much pro-2A legislation keeps getting passed each session.

Now, tell the anti-OC people to show you the states that are passing anti-2A legislation because of open carriers.

That is just another myth promulgated by anti-OC people.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 20, 2014, 11:38:43 PM
Problem is, they wont listen to facts. What do you say when they wont accept facts?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CV67PAT on July 20, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 us 105
Shuttleworth vs city of birmingham, alabama 317 us 262
miranda vs airizona 384 us 436

seems to me they could just sue the state. telling someone they can not have a gun without a license is wrong. its been established many times.
Back to posting irrelevant comments in random threads again, I see.

You evidently didn't learn anything from your last time out.

You want another one? A little longer this time? I'm sure it can be arranged.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 20, 2014, 11:42:06 PM
seems to me they could just sue the state. telling someone they can not have a gun without a license is wrong. its been established many times.

Unfortunately the SCOTUS has yet to agree with you.  While they have ruled on possession and keeping of guns inside the home, they refuse to rule on carry outside the home, and in fact have stated that reasonable restrictions are not unconstitutional.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 20, 2014, 11:42:54 PM
Problem is, they wont listen to facts. What do you say when they wont accept facts?

Nothing.  Stop arguing with them.  You can't make a horse drink.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CV67PAT on July 20, 2014, 11:43:53 PM
Nothing.  Stop arguing with them.  You can't make a horse drink.
Take my advice. I'm not using it.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 20, 2014, 11:46:48 PM
Back to posting irrelevant comments in random threads again, I see.

I see where he's coming from (except for Miranda which doesn't involve a permit or license).  You shouldn't need a permit or license to exercise your rights.  He's just not explaining it very well.

Birdseed, read my comment about the SCOTUS above.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CV67PAT on July 20, 2014, 11:48:32 PM
I see where he's coming from (except for Miranda which doesn't involve a permit or license).  You shouldn't need a permit or license to exercise your rights.  He's just not explaining it very well.

Birdseed, read my comment about the SCOTUS above.
Oh, since you put it that way, I concur.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: bigt8261 on July 21, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
Who could just sue the state?

1) You can obtain a firearm without a license in Michigan. It may not be the type you want, but that won't make a difference to the court.

2) Unless you have a license denied to stifle the expression of your idea, then your second case is irrelevant.

3) What the heck does Miranda have to do with anything in this thread?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: birddseedd on July 21, 2014, 09:11:12 AM
Back to posting irrelevant comments in random threads again, I see.

You evidently didn't learn anything from your last time out.

You want another one? A little longer this time? I'm sure it can be arranged.

Don't bother, i'm done with this organization.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: SD40VE on July 21, 2014, 12:53:52 PM
Don't bother, i'm done with this organization.

sorry to see you go, good luck in future endeavors
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Shadow Bear on July 21, 2014, 05:25:41 PM
Aw, damn- there goes the entertainment value. Maybe he'll show up on OCDO, and liven things up there.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Jeff on July 21, 2014, 06:14:40 PM
I will fill the void.


HEY GUYS, my CPL instructor told me to only load 3 rounds into my magazine or else I will damage the CLIPS spring, I'm also going to open carry my Katana barefoot into Target.  Also, what's a good open carry ankle holster?
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: gryphon on July 21, 2014, 07:56:11 PM
This is why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: Xpiatio on July 21, 2014, 09:51:04 PM
This is why we can't have nice things.

+1
Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: SD40VE on July 22, 2014, 08:23:46 AM
anyone know of a good thigh rig for a chainsaw. i figure the vroom vroom would scare most bad guys. if not ill whip out my 3 foot big ass machette and slice em up like danny trejo. if all else fails ill pull my grenada out of my tighty whities and blow us all to peices!

Title: Re: Got chewed out by an anti OC guy today
Post by: CitizensHaveRights on August 06, 2014, 09:18:43 AM
$17 for a gun belt?

I've seen some Bianchis on the net for less than $30.
Don't know if they're meant to hold up pants or a gun, but have been meaning to buy one and see.
Wouldn't take much for a leather belt to be worth that kind of money even if it won't support 3lb.