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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: gryphon on June 02, 2014, 12:37:03 AM
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By Tommy Y.
“I’ll only be out for a few minutes.” That’s what I said when I exited the house and jumped in the truck and realized that my firearm was still sitting on top of my office desk. Sadly, this wasn’t the first time I have said this, but this day would prove to be the last time I ever use that line as an excuse to not be armed.
Unlike most excuses for leaving a firearm behind, my excuse was different. It wasn’t because I felt that carrying a firearm was a burden or uncomfortable. It’s quite the opposite. My method of carry was too comfortable. So comfortable, in fact, that I often don’t even feel that it’s there on my body—or not.
I had removed the firearm from my in-waistband holster while working on some designs and it was late in the day. I wanted to stretch a little and never thought to re-holster the firearm once it was removed.
Fast-forward a couple of hours later and now I’m ready to take a short break and I hadn’t eaten all day. Thinking about my stomach, I grabbed the keys and promptly exited the house to get whatever greasy fast food I was sure would quiet down the growls coming from my stomach at this point. It didn’t even cross my mind that I had forgotten to re-holster my firearm before exiting the house.
“I’ll only be out for a few minutes.”I said it again as I pulled out of the driveway. “Meh…” I thought afterwards. t’s not like I’m going to the wrong side of town or anything. Just a quick bite to eat and I’ll be back.
After a few minutes of driving, I noticed a male on the intersection. As I come to a slow stop, he approaches my passenger-side window. I ignore him thinking he’s just a panhandler asking for money, but this one felt different. Everything felt different.
As he approached my passenger-side door, he mutters some words about cigarettes, but then like a strike of lightning, he reaches for the door handle. Alarmed, I gave him a stern look and right when I was about to give a reactionary verbal lashing, I felt the back of my neck start to tingle. Something was very wrong.
At that very moment, a sixth sense kicked in and I was compelled to turn to my driver-side door. As I turned to my left, I watched as another male had successfully opened my door.The one thing I vividly still remember is the knife coming towards my face and the focused look on the attackers face. I remember deflecting the knife hand with my left hand and grabbing his hand and forcing it up to the cab of the vehicle.
In one smooth motion, my right hand sweeps up my shirt and motions towards what normally would be a GLOCK 23 at the ready at the 3 o’clock position. Instead, I was greeted by the cold hard reality of an empty holster.I’m pretty sure I blurted out an angry four-letter word at that moment. At first my mind was confused, but in an instant I replayed the exact moment I had removed my firearm earlier in the day.
At this point, the attacker knew I had just tried to do something and became even more aggressive. He was tugging at my jeans trying to reach for my wallet. Again, my sixth sense kicked off and I realized that there was the other person on the other side, but this guy was more of an immediate threat and I couldn’t lose my focus on him.
In the most convincingly defeated tone I could muster, I remember yelling “Okay! Okay! Stop, just give me a second.” This allowed me to reach back for what he thought was my wallet. It was enough of a diversion to allow me to reach for my EDC knife. It felt like an eternity deploying my knife out to defend myself. My hands must have fumbled two or three times trying to get to it.
By this time his gaze went down to my hand and I knew that if he saw what I was reaching for, I would lose this moment of opportunity. I immediately kicked him, forced his knife hand up into the top of the cab and in one fell stroke jabbed the knife into his forearm.
I couldn’t tell you how bad his injuries were. It happened so fast. I remember the attacker jumping out away from me and backed away a bit. But for whatever reason it seemed like he was about to advance toward me again for round two. At this point I was seeing red, but knew getting into a knife fight with one attacker, with another possible armed attacker in question was something I didn’t want to do.
I don’t know what compelled me or where I got the bright idea, but thinking as quickly as I could, I yelled “YOU M____ F_____ERS. I’M AN OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICER!”
This was a bold-faced lie and still not sure if it was the best thing to say or do. In hindsight, what other choice did I have? It worked, because the attacker’s focused look immediately turned to despair and he ran away in the opposite direction.
At this point I glance back behind me and I notice that the other person is also running away in the same direction as the attacker. Seems I was right and they were in the crime business together.
I immediately jump back in the vehicle and shut the door to get away to a safe and public location to call 911. The keys were gone from the ignition. I frantically begin searching the floor and the seats thinking it may have fallen out during the altercation, but then noticed that the passenger side door was slightly open.
It was at this moment where I realized that I was wet. Not wet with sweat but with blood—my blood. I was sitting in a pool of it in my seat. I reached across and shut the door and made sure all doors were locked and immediately called 911 for emergency assistance.
During my altercation with the attacker, the other person came in through the passenger side and stabbed me twice. Once in the back one inch to the right of where my neck meets my spine and once on my right between my ribs. The back wound was a clean flesh wound, but the wound through my ribs was deep enough to puncture my liver. I’m really lucky to be alive. The second attacker from behind could have slit my throat instead of choosing to stab me.
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I spent a week in the hospital after the surgeons opened me up to close my punctured liver and I spent the next two weeks with a tube coming out of my gut to drain the internal fluids that were collecting inside of me.
All of the police officers who responded got a kick out of the part where I put on my biggest poker face and boldly told the attacker that I was an off-duty police officer. Initially, the investigators thought it may have been an attempted car jacking, but they later stated that the attackers were most likely addicts needing their next fix. Only addicts would be that bold to attack a vehicle at an intersection for maybe $20 that was in my wallet. To this day, the perpetrators have yet to be caught.
In hindsight, it’s really tough to say whether or not my firearm would have made a real difference. After all, I could have been stabbed early on from behind before I would have been able to deploy my firearm. With that said, I know that I would have been more effective defending myself if I had the firearm. I wouldn’t have had to rely on a calculated bluff to de-escalate the situation to stop the attackers from advancing a second time on an already wounded victim.
“I’ll only be out for a few minutes.”
Words I’ll never use again as an excuse to not carry my firearm. You never know when you’ll be the victim. It can happen at any time, any place and when you least expect it.
UPDATE – Tommy writes in to answer a lot of your questions:
1) Why were my doors unlocked?
Some models auto-lock car doors when you put it in gear. Some put it in auto-lock after you go a certain speed. Other vehicles don’t do anything. The vehicle I was driving when this incident happened automatically locks when you put it in gear. However, it does not auto lock again if you ever manually unlock the door to let someone in or accidentally hit it open.
I’m not sure how or why the door was unlocked, but when you’re used to your doors auto-locking, it’s not like you’re constantly thinking to always lock them again. I know I have accidentally unlocked my doors when attempting to push the button to lower the windows. Both buttons are close to each other. I don’t know if that’s what I did here, but it’s very likely it’s what happened and I didn’t think to “relock” the doors because I was unaware they were unlocked in the first place. Moral of the story: don’t assume anything. Don’t assume your doors are locked or unlocked. Just like you shouldn’t assume your chamber is empty or that your 1911 safety is on or off. When you get comfortable, things can go downhill fast when you assume wrong.
2) Why were my windows open?
They weren’t for the most part. The driver side was open a crack and the passenger side was closed. I was a smoker when this incident happened and I crack my windows with the A/C running full blast sometimes when I drive.
3) Why didn’t you drive off?
I was at an intersection at a red light. When the first person approached me near the passenger side, the person posed no threat at the time to warrant me running a red light and possibly causing more death and injury in a collision with one or several vehicles crossing. My passenger side window was closed and I assumed my doors were locked (see above) and he was not yet in my immediate area of threat. I’m also not going to draw my weapon every time a guy is on the curb asking for money.
When the second person approached from the driver side door and successfully opened the door, I was in a moment of shock and unprepared. Again, the assumption was that my door was locked. Second, as soon as the door opened, a knife was flying towards my face. In that moment, my left hand immediately went to defensive maneuvers to block and detain the weapon arm. This was when I reached for my non-existant firearm and when realized I didn’t have it, I turned my body towards him to use my legs to kick the guy in the chest and grab my knife.
4) What was going through your mind?
It’s easy to armchair here, but the only thing on my mind was to keep the knife pinned up top while I pull my EDC knife out to defend myself. All other things did not matter or exist to me. I could have been in space for all that mattered. After the incident, the police noted that my vehicle had moved 5 yards from the stop line before stopping again. It means the vehicle was probably slowly moving during the altercation and only came to a stop when the first person came in through the passenger side and either put it in park and shut off the engine and took the keys or he shut the engine off and took the keys before slamming it into park.
5) What could I have done differently?
Some here would say it would be to recheck that the doors were locked. But I challenge everyone here to honestly tell me that they check to see if their doors are locked at every intersection that they stop at. I guarantee that you don’t and if you have a vehicle that auto-locks, you probably have never “relocked” your doors manually while driving either. Some of the “duh!” answers regarding my unlocked doors is exactly how I would have commented if this wasn’t my story. However, that assumption and security of your doors being locked is what will get you (and in this scenario me) in to trouble.
The biggest thing I wish I had done is I wished I was a little more aware of what was going on in the “opposite” direction. I’m typically a very observant and situationally aware person. Unfortunately, I fell hard for the classic misdirection tactic that was used on me and I think I could have read the misdirection tactic sooner.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/06/daniel-zimmerman/p320-entry-ill-minutes/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/06/daniel-zimmerman/p320-entry-ill-minutes/)
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Why wasn't the door locked?
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my doors dont lock on their own. of course i have a 1992 dodge dakota pickup
hell i dont even have power locks lol
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Why wasn't the door locked?
Did you read update point number 1 in the original article above? It answers that question.
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Mistake #1 - traveling with unlocked doors. Make it a habit ppl -- it's cheap!
Mistake #2 - no gun
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Mistake #1 - traveling with unlocked doors. Make it a habit ppl -- it's cheap!
Mistake #2 - no gun
I would order those differently because an attack could have happened while he wasn't in a car at all.
When I leave my house or really anywhere I always give myself a pat down. I check for my firearm, my wallet, my keys, my phone, my watch.
Sometimes I forget my watch or phone if I'm just going to take the dogs for a walk or be in the yard, but I always have my firearm. I never do one of those "Eh, I'm just taking out the garbage I don't need it" because you don't get to pick when it's needed.
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before i leave my house i have my check list
1. wallet
2 pistol
3. phone
4. keys
5 hat
yes i always wear a ball cap. usually realtree or some kind of hunting camo
my rule is "never leave home without it"
better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it
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Your check list is short....
1. Wallet
2. Cell Phone
3. Cell Phone #2
4. Primary Pistol
5. Spare Magazines (2)
6. Knife
7. Backup Pistol
8. Spare Magazine (1)
9. Flashlight
10. Voice recorder
11. Keys
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Your check list is short....
1. Wallet
2. Cell Phone
3. Cell Phone #2
4. Primary Pistol
5. Spare Magazines (2)
6. Knife
7. Backup Pistol
8. Spare Magazine (1)
9. Flashlight
10. Voice recorder
11. Keys
Good list. +1
Mine is similar but, the pistols go in the top spots. ;)
On a side note - most people, even police with all their super training hesitate or "freeze" when under attack. It's just human physiology, freeze, flee or fight...in that order. The "freeze" comes from our brains trying to sort out the disbelief of what is happening and fumbling for what to do.
The only way to change that, is to constantly work on "mental" muscle memory. We all get frightened, teaching ourselves to override the "freeze" response & replace it with the fight response is no easy task. Some here maybe "operators", so they are good to go. The rest of us (if not already doing so), should consider carefully where we stand and if we are up to "fighting" should it ever be needed. As always, YMMV.
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Your check list is short....
1. Wallet
2. Cell Phone
3. Cell Phone #2
4. Primary Pistol
5. Spare Magazines (2)
6. Knife
7. Backup Pistol
8. Spare Magazine (1)
9. Flashlight
10. Voice recorder
11. Keys
The average citizen gun fight lasts 3 seconds, and uses only 3 rounds from each involved.
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"Average" indicates some involve more. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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"Average" indicates some involve more. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
that is sound logic. although, for me to carry extra mags would involve 52 rounds. With something like that, pretty much everyone dies. I only carry 9 rounds. i figure 3 rounds on 3 people. That should be about the max that would be needed (in my opinion for my life). Basically preparing for 3x the average.
and i NEVER miss. :protest:
:banglaugh:
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I never go anywhere without mine. Never...
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The average citizen gun fight lasts 3 seconds, and uses only 3 rounds from each involved.
From the article "Ammo: How Much Is Enough?" in the January 2014 issue of the Michigan Open Carry Newsletter (http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/publications/newsletter/MOC-Newsletter-3.pdf):
So how much ammo do you need? The fact of the matter is, you will never know how many rounds you need until you need them. You might read someplace that “statistically” the average self-defense encounter involves only two or three rounds fired. The problem is that “statistically” the standard deviation is so large that the average is a pretty meaningless number. It sure would suck to fire your six rounds only to find out you needed a few more.
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From the article "Ammo: How Much Is Enough?" in the January 2014 issue of the Michigan Open Carry Newsletter (http://miopencarry.org/moc_files/publications/newsletter/MOC-Newsletter-3.pdf):
So how much ammo do you need? The fact of the matter is, you will never know how many rounds you need until you need them. You might read someplace that “statistically” the average self-defense encounter involves only two or three rounds fired. The problem is that “statistically” the standard deviation is so large that the average is a pretty meaningless number. It sure would suck to fire your six rounds only to find out you needed a few more.
I disagree with that exert of the article. might read the whole thing, sounds interesting. i think the average does mean something. I think that it is a bare minimum. and of course as with most safety things, you want to do more than the minimum.
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that is sound logic. although, for me to carry extra mags would involve 52 rounds. With something like that, pretty much everyone dies. I only carry 9 rounds. i figure 3 rounds on 3 people. That should be about the max that would be needed (in my opinion for my life). Basically preparing for 3x the average.
and i NEVER miss. :protest:
:banglaugh:
I carry between 44 and 80 rounds on me. Given statistical data collected from LEO use of deadly force, hit rate is about 20%. 20% of 44 rounds is 9 hits. 20% of 9 is 2. YMMV.
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Thats why i fear police with guns. most of them are horible shots, they only use a gun 1nce a year, when they certify. most citizens are much better shots.
the lethality parts of their data is obviously the same. 1 shot = 80% death rate, 2 shots = 90% death rate.
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LEO hit rate on dogs is incredibly high, though. :(
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I disagree with that exert of the article. might read the whole thing, sounds interesting.
If you haven't read the article, or the newsletter, I encourage you to download it at the link above and check it out.
As a matter of fact, if you aren't on our email list for the newsletter, and legislative and event updates, sign up here: http://miopencarry.org/updates/ (http://miopencarry.org/updates/)
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Yea good luck with that
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LEO hit rate on dogs is incredibly high, though. :(
Well to be fair...I'm sure the rate would drop some if the dogs shot back. ;)
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Well to be fair...I'm sure the rate would drop some if the dogs shot back. ;)
Or if the dog was actually attacking them rather than friendly walking up wagging their tail wanting to play.
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Or if the dog was actually attacking them rather than friendly walking up wagging their tail wanting to play.
True, very true. :(
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My dogs stay in fence if unsupervised. No excuse for a cop to shoot.
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My dogs stay in fence if unsupervised. No excuse for a cop to shoot.
You're naive if you think they need a GOOD reason.
"I felt my safety was endangered"
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Justice is rarely just, but it's hard to say you are afraid of a dog behind a 6ft fence.
Meh. Just as long as they shoot the girl instead of the boy. They shoot him I'm sueing
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Justice is rarely just, but it's hard to say you are afraid of a dog behind a 6ft fence.
Meh. Just as long as they shoot the girl instead of the boy. They shoot him I'm sueing
I'm sure they will take special note of your comment and act accordingly. All the cops I've ever met were just like the old Burger King commercials.... insert jingle music here... "hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, special orders don't upset us, have it your way..."
::)
Edit to add - (ETA) your posts remind me of a certain person, you don't happen to stay in the Waterford area do you? Just curious?
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Edit to add - (ETA) your posts remind me of a certain person, you don't happen to stay in the Waterford area do you? Just curious?
Different guy. :D
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I'm sure they will take special note of your comment and act accordingly. All the cops I've ever met were just like the old Burger King commercials.... insert jingle music here... "hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, special orders don't upset us, have it your way..."
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Edit to add - (ETA) your posts remind me of a certain person, you don't happen to stay in the Waterford area do you? Just curious?
How can you call me a troll when you carry a glock? Isn't that kinda like the kettle calling the pot crusted with spegetti sauce?
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You should carry a minimum of two reloads for any carry gun. Why? So you can drop that malfunctioning mag and and stuff in one that works... Its not just about round count although that is important too.
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I only have one reload in my mag. I did put a little extra powder in it tho.
when I am a little bit more consistent with my group and I want to buy a few boxes of my defense rounds and be able to test with them to see how I do with those specifically but until then I don't want to have an odd number of rounds
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until then I don't want to have an odd number of rounds
I'll bite,
Even number of rounds are better?
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My rational, not based on any facts at all, is i want to be prepared for 3 attackers, 3 bullets each. in my mind, this is a worse case senereo i want to be prepared for. my wifes firearm, (shield) holds 9 rounds. while mine holds 17+1 rounds, i feel comfortable with 9.
issue, i only have 17 defense rounds
17/2 != 9
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I don't follow.
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I want 9 rounds for my gun, and 9 rounds for her gun.
I only have 17 rounds.
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Your gun holds 17+1
And you only want to load it with 9 rounds, as in..... half capacity?
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correct.
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it was either that or don't put any rounds in my wifes gun at all.
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it was either that or don't put any rounds in my wifes gun at all.
Buy more...?
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That costs money
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That costs money
SMH
So you don't have enough $ for SD rounds yet you're going to take the risk of getting tripped up on a local ordinance for carrying a knife?!?
Brilliant!
I once knew a guy who couldn't afford ammo, but he picked a fight with a school by OCing there (he has a CPL) until they trespassed him -- then he was screwed because he couldn't go to functions at his kids schools because he couldn't afford a lawyer.
Shorts of it: for a guy that doesn't have the finances to buy SD ammo, you're sticking your fingers into a lot of legal snake pits. But you won't be able to afford the antidote to the venom if you get bitten -- brilliant.
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Ah well, 9 is better than zero.
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You are probably right. but simply going to lunch, wont change the world. and i have a duty to my lil girl to make it better. maybe someday ill be able move past desperation. so far, i do not have the needed information to do so.
might be able to get some more defense ammo next month. Income this month has all gone to repairs, replacing stolen equipment. business. I still might only carry 9 rounds. i cant see using more than that. if i conceal i use wifes shield, and 9 is all i can take.
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I carried at a school once. noone said a thing.
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if i conceal i use wifes shield, and 9 is all i can take.
You're forgetting the spare mag(s).
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May you never get into a situation where you say "CRAP, 9 wasn't enough when you can carry 17+1"
panic, adrenaline, fear, pain leads to loss of fine motor control, which leads to many more misses than you think. Your 9 might all be gone in one and a half seconds out of desperation and panic. Not to debate magazine capacity, but at least carry your capacity when you can afford to buy more ammo.
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average gun fight in a civilian self defence situation uses 3 bullets. I have 300% above average. don't need more.
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You could just skip lunch a day or two and buy more rounds. I don't believe you when you say you can't afford 9 or 10 more rounds.
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average gun fight in a civilian self defence situation uses 3 bullets. I have 300% above average. don't need more.
Cite?
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They come in boxes of 25.
unless wife makes me cheap lunches, I do skip lunch, jsut bout 130 bucks worth of tools i couldn't afford. they were a needed investment tho, so ill have to scrape by.
Ill pay off a few vendors with what i get the rest of the month, next month i should meat my break even point, more or less.
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Cite?
The cop that taught my cpl class. i don't remember his name.
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the MINIMUM shots fired is 3 not the average, the minimum.
But the biggest mistake is listening to a cop about.....anything.
Just recently, the gas station clerk that was assaulted, he fired 10 just himself.
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May you never get into a situation where you say "CRAP, 9 wasn't enough when you can carry 17+1"
this is an unarguable fact, i hope it never happens, course, i hope i never use the first round.
panic, adrenaline, fear, pain leads to loss of fine motor control, which leads to many more misses than you think. Your 9 might all be gone in one and a half seconds out of desperation and panic. Not to debate magazine capacity, but at least carry your capacity when you can afford to buy more ammo.
this is a little more arguable. Fighter jet pilots do not lose fine motor skills. why is this? its because they train under stress. I am considering starting a company that does training for people in real life situations with real guns (non lethal ammo obviously) which would put them in that stress situation, and training in that stress situation helps you train your fine motor skills, the same as a jet pilot training in a high stress situation.
i'm also considering starting a subway.
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the MINIMUM shots fired is 3 not the average, the minimum.
But the biggest mistake is listening to a cop about.....anything.
Just recently, the gas station clerk that was assaulted, he fired 10 just himself.
means i'm still 300 percent above minimum.
i dunno if it makes any difference in this conversation, but i did load some fmj's to fill up my mag some month or two ago. dunno if i always will. for the most part iv only carried the 9 rounds.
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Well, you know yourself best. Maybe you can train for the stresses of an encounter, the real thing will always be different though. Training is always a very good thing and so is the right mind frame. A clear focused confident calm mind is your best asset. If you feel that 9 is all you want to carry then so be it, I would still stress that at least load it to capacity. The gun was designed to hold 18 then why short yourself. You are never going to hear someone say "I wish I had less bullets in my gun" after having to use it.
The weight of 9 more rounds isn't very significant even if you do have to load some standard FMJ's behind your Self Defense rounds.
Hopefully you grow an old man and die having never fired at another person and statistically that's probably how it will go but since it does happen to people daily, it's always good to be prepared.
I have 4 fully loaded AR mags, and 4 fully loaded G19 mags where I sleep. I doubt I will ever need any of that but I certainly don't want to have to load mags if something horrible happens and not have enough ammo ready to use.
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its possible ill change my mind when i can pickup a few boxes of SD rounds.
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One time, I ran out of SD rounds and had to load some assault rounds into my clips.
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Jeff said it quite well... You never meet someone who deployed a firearm in a defensive situation that wished they had fewer rounds than what they had. Or say extra training wasn't worth it.
I went to the store today. I had 49 rounds, 6 magazines, and 2 pistols. (I was carrying light) When I go to a range, I shoot 10-17 rounds of defense ammo from each pistol I carry. They are in defensive drills, not plinking. Why? Because the shoot differently, ballistics and recoil. There are no do-overs for defensive situations. My daughters, wife, and I have one shot at life.
A range trip costs me about $100 in ammo a month. Life insurance may take care of my family, but it doesn't touch the void left behind. I decided safety is paramount and live accordingly. So take some time to consider why you carry. Think about the OP and what can happen when "I'll only be out for a few minutes."
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I am considering starting a company that does training for people in real life situations with real guns (non lethal ammo obviously) which would put them in that stress situation, and training in that stress situation helps you train your fine motor skills, the same as a jet pilot training in a high stress situation.
AWESOME
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better than subway? subway has near 100% success rate.
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You're forgetting the spare mag(s).
He could carry 2 spare mags. 3 bullets in the gun and 3 bullets in each spare mag. D'uh!!!
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He could carry 2 spare mags. 3 bullets in the gun and 3 bullets in each spare mag. D'uh!!!
unless he only has 17 bullets.
BTW, how fast do you have to throw bullets to stop a threat?
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unless he only has 17 bullets.
BTW, how fast do you have to throw bullets to stop a threat?
That depends on how CRAZY you can look and sound while doing it. Screech like an owl throwing bullets saying stuff like, "YOU AINT taking my ELM TREE, I Need my milk for LAWNMOWER!!"
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unless he only has 17 bullets.
Why has nobody asked how he can carry 9 rounds each in 2 pistols when he only has 17? 9x2=18 last i checked.
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added a reload behind them. temporary solution.
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Why has nobody asked how he can carry 9 rounds each in 2 pistols when he only has 17? 9x2=18 last i checked.
Oh, he has 17 bullets. Then that's easy... 1 in the chamber and 1 in the pocket and 5 in each of the 3 mag.
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This thread is full of some very serious fail. Get out there and buy some ammo... Online is best as you can buy 50 round boxes of SD ammo for about what you pay in the store for 25 shipping included.
I have never heard of anyone who cannot afford ammo... Sell something else... Put off buying something else. Use a written budget to find savings that you can spend on ammo.. Jeez!
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Easier said than done when...
your mechanic thinks 1 good pad means all 8 are good. 300 bucks
a gearbox 12" off the ground somehow hits an invisible something in my trailer and beds an f'ing half inch shaft. 300 to 400 bucks
some jerk steels my tools 140 bucks
also my blower, another 200 bucks
oh. late on equipment lease, 180 fees. effing usery dag nabbit!
like i said, should be better next month.
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Easier said than done when...
like i said, should be better next month.
And yet you have enough to take a friend out shooting?
Go buy just simple RB ammo, just so you have some to carry.
How do you practice and stay proficient if you can't even buy a single box of ammo?
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Reloads and free state owned range
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Easier said than done when...
your mechanic thinks 1 good pad means all 8 are good. 300 bucks
a gearbox 12" off the ground somehow hits an invisible something in my trailer and beds an f'ing half inch shaft. 300 to 400 bucks
some jerk steels my tools 140 bucks
also my blower, another 200 bucks
oh. late on equipment lease, 180 fees. effing usery dag nabbit!
like i said, should be better next month.
It sounds like you have an external locus of control. That may be something to work on?
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I would say it is somewhere in the middle. For example, outside of proper maintenence there is no way to prevent mechanical failures. Well. I could buy new equipment every 2 years like some, but i dont have the customer base to support that.
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I have owned a lawn business... Which is what I assume you have... I never had new equipment as I purchased used and flipped it every year working my way into newer and better equipment each time. I was however able to work on the equipment myself and maintain it myself which saved money.
As for theft... My brother and I cable locked everything to the trailer to prevent casual theft while we were out of sight of the rig. And it was stored in a locked barn at night.
Most things are preventable if the proper care is taken.
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Your right about the theft. im using locks on my trailer now. suppose i should have been before. this is the first time anyone has gotten into my trailer. they cant anymore.
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Your right about the theft. im using locks on my trailer now. suppose i should have been before. this is the first time anyone has gotten into my trailer. they cant anymore.
It is now official - Stainless 1911 has been replaced by bird(d)seed(d)!
I would call him retarded but, that would be a slight against those who simply cannot help being mentally handicapped, vs one who chooses to be so. Feed him at your own risk.
He clearly posts here to get attention. Deny him that and he will dry up and blow away like a tumbleweed in the wind. 8)
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That's a bit harsh.
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It is now official - Stainless 1911 has been replaced by bird(d)seed(d)!
I would call him retarded but, that would be a slight against those who simply cannot help being mentally handicapped, vs one who chooses to be so. Feed him at your own risk.
He clearly posts here to get attention. Deny him that and he will dry up and blow away like a tumbleweed in the wind. 8)
Or we can ban him (like we did) -- for one day.
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Or we can ban him (like we did) -- for one day.
Bans don't work. Ask one of our Senior posters here about that. It is like fighting a hydra, cut off the head, and two rise up to replace it. Starvation is the best way to be rid of it. ;)
Was I harsh? Probably - so I will try not to get fed up with idiotic posts from him in the future. I hope he realizes that everything posted here can, and will be, used against him when the inevitable "jam up" from a local PD finds him. Poke at even a "bull in the wrong" long enough, without proper resources to evade an attack, don't be shocked when you get a horn stuck in your backside. :o
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Or we can ban him (like we did) -- for one day.
That was unnecessary. :(
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That was unnecessary. :(
I don't know as there were still people feeding him. Maybe people will learn not to feed the birds.
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Is that why the forum died down all of the sudden? lol
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It is now official - Stainless 1911 has been replaced by bird(d)seed(d)!
I would call him retarded but, that would be a slight against those who simply cannot help being mentally handicapped, vs one who chooses to be so. Feed him at your own risk.
He clearly posts here to get attention. Deny him that and he will dry up and blow away like a tumbleweed in the wind. 8)
:yeahthat:
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That was unnecessary. :(
I didn't do it ;)
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I didn't do it ;)
Me neither.
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He is probably in jail. McDonald's called police because there was a guy with no shoes on in the store with an AR-15 pistol. Then they found he was carrying a huge *** knife. And he forgot about the pistol in his pocket and didn't disclose.
An MLive reporter was also in the McDonalds. He decided an interview while handcuffed was appropriate. It's all being used against him.
He'll post again in 4-6 years and he won't find an attorney to appeal his case to the Supreme Court.
Sound about right?
EDIT: He also lost his dog and his dog over this. But the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has accepted him with open arms.
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Love that church