Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: birddseedd on July 20, 2014, 02:45:29 PM
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Does your spouse OC or conceal?
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I don't know, haven't met her yet.
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I don't know, haven't met her yet.
Same answer.
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Does your spouse OC or conceal?
Conceal
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Does your spouse OC or conceal?
Yes she does.
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When Mrs. gryphon gets her CPL in a few months she will probably CC more than OC. I'll work on her. ;D
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my wife hates OC.
course. loosing a family, causing issues in another
leaving events early
getting kicked out of a playdate group
being excommunicated from chuch
kinda turned her off to OC
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When Mrs. gryphon gets her CPL in a few months she will probably CC more than OC. I'll work on her. ;D
Lately I have been CC more than OC. I know, I should be ashamed. But going to change that right, quick, and in a HURRY!
I will be open carrying during the Yale Bologna Festival this weekend, hopefully I don't get any grief from their cops.
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my wife hates OC.
Again (broken record here) ask her to read "The Open Carry Debate" in the July 2014 MOC Newlstter and ask her if she sees any advantages to open carry afterward. If she wants to CC, that doesn't make her a bad person.
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hopefully I don't get any grief from their cops.
If you do, tell them they are full of baloney.
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my wife hates OC.
course. loosing a family, causing issues in another
leaving events early
getting kicked out of a playdate group
being excommunicated from chuch
kinda turned her off to OC
Are you trying to write haiku?
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my wife hates OC.
course. loosing a family, causing issues in another
leaving events early
getting kicked out of a playdate group
being excommunicated from chuch
kinda turned her off to OC
Excommunication still happens?
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my wife hates OC.
course. loosing a family, causing issues in another
leaving events early
getting kicked out of a playdate group
being excommunicated from chuch
kinda turned her off to OC
The last winter leaves
Clinging to the black branches
Explode into birds.
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mine was iffy at first, but as shes been around me while i OC she has become more comfortable with it. she also took her CPL class saturday which i went to with her. got a chance to school a CPL instructor on michigan open caerry. soon as he said the dreaded line "once you have a CPL you cant open carry" i showed him a update 86 and he changed his mind lol
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mine was iffy at first, but as shes been around me while i OC she has become more comfortable with it. she also took her CPL class saturday which i went to with her. got a chance to school a CPL instructor on michigan open caerry. soon as he said the dreaded line "once you have a CPL you cant open carry" i showed him a update 86 and he changed his mind lol
Had she gone to a reputable CPL instructor to begin with, you wouldn't have had to "school a CPL instructor."
Reputable CPL instructors comply with NRA rules and utilize a lawyer, or police officer with a JD, to teach the legal portion of the class.
The only CPL instructor in the area I would recommend is Rick's Firearm Academy of Detroit.
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Who was her instructor?
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mine was iffy at first, but as shes been around me while i OC she has become more comfortable with it. she also took her CPL class saturday which i went to with her. got a chance to school a CPL instructor on michigan open caerry. soon as he said the dreaded line "once you have a CPL you cant open carry" i showed him a update 86 and he changed his mind lol
Post all info here http://forums.michiganopencarry.org/index.php/topic,1788.msg16568.html#msg16568 to help others avoid a bad experience.
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rich weir. he is ex coast guard and certified in use of deadly force. also a retired cop. he did alot of training for thew USCG. the last 4 years he has been down in florida working with homeland security (he said thats all he can say). recently moved back and was doing the class. he was not aware of the update 86. i gave him a copy and explained how the laws are worded very confusingly he knew the material well, answered all questions well, except pertaining to OC.
even let me show some tactical firing and situations when he needed a guinnea pig as i am comfortable demonstrating engaging multiple targets and whatnot.
with him knowing the law now he will adjust his classes.
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Is he a lawyer?
Is he a police officer with a JD?
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What does "certified in use of deadly force" mean? I truly don't know. I mean the guy is a private citizen is he not?
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What does "certified in use of deadly force" mean? I truly don't know. I mean the guy is a private citizen is he not?
NRA requires ppl that teach their course use or be a lawyer or POST certified cop. Michigan doesn't use POST certification but rather MCOLES.
As for CPL instructors, I'm happy if they don't mention OC at all rather than give bad info.
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What does "certified in use of deadly force" mean? I truly don't know. I mean the guy is a private citizen is he not?
That comes from the statute that specifies what a "State certified" program consists of. There are no state certified programs for CPL instruction for non-LEO in Michigan. MCOLES is certified to instruct LEOs.
The statute also specifies a course of instruction by a national firearms organization. That is the NRA program. There is no provision for "trained in the use of deadly force" in there program. The instructors instructing the law portion of the NRA course must be a lawyer or a police officer with a JD.
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So, is it the degree is that gives you a "certification in deadly force"? Or is it a combo of degree and being law enforcement?
A lawyer is not "certified in deadly force" is (s)he?
Again I ask because I have never put much thought into it. Thanks for any additional info.
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So, is it the degree is that gives you a "certification in deadly force"? Or is it a combo of degree and being law enforcement?
A lawyer is not "certified in deadly force" is (s)he?
Again I ask because I have never put much thought into it. Thanks for any additional info.
Not necessary for compliance with the NRA provisions.
You're confusing the State Certified course requirements with the nationally recognized course requirements.
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im pretty sure he is certified to do legal end of the class, he did say he had the proper certification/training to teach that portion. being a former leo i assume thats how he is able to do so.. my girl got in there through a friend of the family and it was mostly old folks. we were the only 2 young people.
i just wanted to go for moral support but really got into it when we went on the range.
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im pretty sure he is certified to do legal end of the class, he did say he had the proper certification/training to teach that portion. being a former leo i assume thats how he is able to do so.. my girl got in there through a friend of the family and it was mostly old folks. we were the only 2 young people.
i just wanted to go for moral support but really got into it when we went on the range.
Most Michigan LEOs are not POST certified.
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he was not a michigan cop. he was in the coast guard down in florida, then went into law enforcement. retired, became a nra CPL instructor and coach.
i cant find anything offhand on his company one on one which he had a shirt and hat for. we did the class in mikado. i think ()but dont quote me) he is from lincoln michigan
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The last winter leaves
Clinging to the black branches
Explode into birds.
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