Michigan Open Carry, Inc.
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: detroit_fan on May 27, 2014, 12:09:41 PM
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MCRGO is doing a set of OC pieces on their FB page again, and Brady posted this-
"Please note that MCRGO as a coalition is neutral on the concept of open carry."
How can this be? How can one of the major gun rights groups in MI not support 1 of the 2 legal forms of handgun carry? They are doing joint picnics with us, helping with court cases, and I know Brady supports OC, so what is stopping them from "supporting" OC officially?
Personally, I think it makes us look a little silly to be holding joint events with them when they don't even officially support what we stand for.
And please don't tell me "neutral doesn't mean they don't support it. "
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I hear a lot of people talking about supporting gun rights, and that however you carry and whatever you carry is fine because at least you're carrying. Then later have them bash open carry or say things like they have no opinion on it.
Many of them are quick to blame OC for every problem there is with businesses and bad images of gun owners. I think they should support whatever is legal and quit turning their backs on the OC crowd. And honestly, if everyone started open carrying, it would soon be so common that nobody would care. So many people don't realize how many guns are in the buildings because most of them are concealed carrying. If people actually knew how many people actually carried firearms they would get desensitized and not worry so much when they saw a legal firearm.
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My guess is that Brady meant to say that MCRGO is neutral on a preferred form of carry.
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Yep, here is a reply from MCRGO:
By neutral, we mean that MCRGO shows no preference for one method of carry over the other. MCRGO strongly supports retaining open carry as a legal method of carry in Michigan. MCRGO hasn't been shy about covering issues related to open carry. In fact, MCRGO is more likely to discuss long gun open carry than even most open carry groups are.
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Thank you for clarification Tom. Very happy to see that
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Yeah, I messed up my language. It's a Monday in disguise. I blame it on doing too many things at the same time and Facebook not allowing groups to edit initial posts like they do on personal Facebook pages.
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Yeah, I messed up my language. It's a Monday in disguise. I blame it on doing too many things at the same time and Facebook not allowing groups to edit initial posts like they do on personal Facebook pages.
They changed that recently. You can change your OP, though you may have to do that from the full website.
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What's an OP? I don't see the option on my page controls?
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Original Post
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brady is here! ahhhhh run!!! :flame:
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LOL. I don't come on this forum until Phil tells me to.
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must be something big if phil is having you come on the forum!
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Neutral seems pretty clear to me; exhibiting no preference, one way or the other.
I see some folks go off on MOC when they come out as neutral on a pending piece of legislation. Neutral means just what it means....it's not a bad thing; it's just 'neutral'...
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Ok, it's time then for me to come out and clarify my position on OC as well:
James, from Dallas, Texas STRONGLY SUPPORTS the Open Carry of firearms.
Because if not, I might as well just stand upon the graves of the Founders, rip the Constitution to shreds, and burn the American flag for good measure...
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Ok, it's time then for me to come out and clarify my position on OC as well:
James, from Dallas, Texas STRONGLY SUPPORTS the Open Carry of firearms.
Because if not, I might as well just stand upon the graves of the Founders, rip the Constitution to shreds, and burn the American flag for good measure...
make sure to bring a fire extinguisher :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Ok, it's time then for me to come out and clarify my position on OC as well:
James, from Dallas, Texas STRONGLY SUPPORTS the Open Carry of firearms.
Because if not, I might as well just stand upon the graves of the Founders, rip the Constitution to shreds, and burn the American flag for good measure...
I will defend to my death your right to burn the flag of the United States. But do it in my presence and it will be your death that is celebrated.
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I will defend to my death your right to burn the flag of the United States. But do it in my presence and it will be your death that is celebrated.
Slow down there Pat, and re-read my post haha. I'm not liking having you threaten me with death, especially since the way you wrote it makes it appear to readers that I would actually burn the American flag - or accept the burning of the flag. I think I made it very clear in my post that I find "standing on the graves of Founders"... "ripping up the Constitution"... and "burning the American flag" all abhorrent, in fact. So threatening me with death for an act I didn't even promote - then proclaiming you'll celebrate my death - is a bit strange. Hope you're nicer in person.
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Slow down there Pat, and re-read my post haha. I'm not liking having you threaten me with death, especially since the way you wrote it makes it appear to readers that I would actually burn the American flag - or accept the burning of the flag. I think I made it very clear in my post that I find "standing on the graves of Founders"... "ripping up the Constitution"... and "burning the American flag" all abhorrent, in fact. So threatening me with death for an act I didn't even promote - then proclaiming you'll celebrate my death - is a bit strange. Hope you're nicer in person.
Pat wouldn't hurt anyone... except for SD40VE
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:yeahthat: :flame: :yikes:
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I feel another clarification is in order. Please note this portion of the quote from MCRGO:
MCRGO strongly supports retaining open carry as a legal method of carry in Michigan.
They just don't show a preference in method of carry.
MOC strongly support concealed carry, but as an organization, we promote open carry.
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MCRGO is doing a set of OC pieces on their FB page again, and Brady posted this-
"Please note that MCRGO as a coalition is neutral on the concept of open carry."
How can this be? How can one of the major gun rights groups in MI not support 1 of the 2 legal forms of handgun carry? They are doing joint picnics with us, helping with court cases, and I know Brady supports OC, so what is stopping them from "supporting" OC officially?
Personally, I think it makes us look a little silly to be holding joint events with them when they don't even officially support what we stand for.
And please don't tell me "neutral doesn't mean they don't support it. "
Guess thats kind of like how MOC doesn't support the OC of long guns but yet a long gun is still a firearm... Is this because MOC thinks it looks bad to the public? Well I have news for you... The public doesn't seem to be good with any form of OC handgun or longun alike... I am curious though why MOC really frowns on the legal OC of a longun. Opinions please...
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The public doesn't seem to be good with any form of OC ...
Wrong. Poll from today. http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/06/take_our_poll_what_do_you_thin_1.html#incart_river_default (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/06/take_our_poll_what_do_you_thin_1.html#incart_river_default)
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I'd like to help clarify. MOC supports to right to carry a long gun. You will never see us backing a bill in Lansing that attempts to outlaw it. What MOC does not do is advocate for it. Meaning we focus our efforts and resources strictly on the area of open carrying a holstered pistol. Because we have maintained this focus we have helped advance open carry of pistols greatly in Michigan. Will there come a time down the road when we open our focus up to long guns as well? Possibly. But until then we cannot be all things to all people.
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Wrong. Poll from today. http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/06/take_our_poll_what_do_you_thin_1.html#incart_river_default (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/06/take_our_poll_what_do_you_thin_1.html#incart_river_default)
Sorry guys I meant alot of the public...
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I'd like to help clarify. MOC supports to right to carry a long gun. You will never see us backing a bill in Lansing that attempts to outlaw it. What MOC does not do is advocate for it. Meaning we focus our efforts and resources strictly on the area of open carrying a holstered pistol. Because we have maintained this focus we have helped advance open carry of pistols greatly in Michigan. Will there come a time down the road when we open our focus up to long guns as well? Possibly. But until then we cannot be all things to all people.
Thanks for helping clarify. So let me make sure I understand what you are saying. it would be OK and NOT frowned upon to show up at a picnic carrying a longun? OK to show up to an open carry march with a longun? Just asking because I know some people that like to carry longuns from time to time and want to make sure I am conveying the correct message to them. I am for it as well but I think it has its time and place but like I said if someone showed up at a picnic etc would this be frowned upon or not. By yousaying MOC supports it but doesnt advocate for it tells me that it would NOT be frowned upon do I have this right? Again just would like to know the real truth behind logun carry and MOC supporting it. By me supporting something to me means I am OK with it...
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In order to not confuse the issue and stray form our core we respectfully ask our members and guests to not carry long guns at our events. There can be 50 people with holstered pistols on at an event but soon as one long gun shows up it instantly changes the focus. This is based on past experience. I and many other MOC members have carried long guns at the 2A March in Lansing. That is an all encompassing event so lgoc is more than welcome there.
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In order to not confuse the issue and stray form our core we respectfully ask our members and guests to not carry long guns at our events. There can be 50 people with holstered pistols on at an event but soon as one long gun shows up it instantly changes the focus. This is based on past experience. I and many other MOC members have carried long guns at the 2A March in Lansing. That is an all encompassing event so lgoc is more than welcome there.
OK I think I understand :-\
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In order to not confuse the issue and stray form our core we respectfully ask our members and guests to not carry long guns at our events. There can be 50 people with holstered pistols on at an event but soon as one long gun shows up it instantly changes the focus. This is based on past experience. I and many other MOC members have carried long guns at the 2A March in Lansing. That is an all encompassing event so lgoc is more than welcome there.
:yeahthat:
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... show up at a picnic carrying a longun?...I know some people that like to carry longuns from time to time
Can I ask a question just for my own edification? Why do some of your friends like to carry long guns rather than wear pistols openly?
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Can I ask a question just for my own edification? Why do some of your friends like to carry long guns rather than wear pistols openly?
Are you insinuating that there is no real good reason to OC a longun? I am assuming they like to carry OC for the same reason's you or any other respectable MOC Member would but I can ask them and be sure to let you know.
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Can I ask a question just for my own edification? Why do some of your friends like to carry long guns rather than wear pistols openly?
Because our is a form of protest. Which is what oc at its core is. Keeping in mind, the revolution was not won with pistols. It was won with long guns
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Because our is a form of protest. Which is what oc at its core is. Keeping in mind, the revolution was not won with pistols. It was won with long guns
#1 - please proof read your posts. Most are hard to read.
#2 - the question was directed specifically at someone else. LGOC discussion has been granted some leeway, but that does not mean it is not still restricted.
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Are you insinuating that there is no real good reason to OC a longun? I am assuming they like to carry OC for the same reason's you or any other respectable MOC Member would but I can ask them and be sure to let you know.
No, but I didn't want to assume anything, so that's why I asked. So yes, if you have an opportunity to ask them and let me know what they say, I'd appreciate it. I am often asked by the public about people carrying long guns, and without making assumptions myself I often don't have any solid answers. In the case of Texas, I know the answer. In the case of Michigan, I often don't.
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No, but I didn't want to assume anything, so that's why I asked. So yes, if you have an opportunity to ask them and let me know what they say, I'd appreciate it. I am often asked by the public about people carrying long guns, and without making assumptions myself I often don't have any solid answers. In the case of Texas, I know the answer. In the case of Michigan, I often don't.
No problem I get back to you...
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No, but I didn't want to assume anything, so that's why I asked. So yes, if you have an opportunity to ask them and let me know what they say, I'd appreciate it. I am often asked by the public about people carrying long guns, and without making assumptions myself I often don't have any solid answers. In the case of Texas, I know the answer. In the case of Michigan, I often don't.
Supported but restricted?
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#1 - please proof read your posts. Most are hard to read.
#2 - the question was directed specifically at someone else. LGOC discussion has been granted some leeway, but that does not mean it is not still restricted.
MOC says they support it but its restricted? Confused...
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MOC would PREFER NOT discuss LGOC but you still may do so.
It's like Chipotle up in here!!
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Because our is a form of protest. Which is what oc at its core is. Keeping in mind, the revolution was not won with pistols. It was won with long guns
OC at its core is not a form of protest for me. In fact it is quite the opposite for myself. It is a form of compliance. I carry a pistol because it is the most convenient tool for me to utilize as a self defense tool.
LGOC is not convenient for me as a common tool for self defense. In fact, it is by far too inconvenient to be utilized on a regular basis. However, as a tool to exercise my 1A right about my 2A right, it is useful. That's about all it is good for.
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MOC says they support it but its restricted? Confused...
It is a distraction from our main agenda. We prefer to leave the subject to others more knowledgeable about the laws surrounding the practice. That shouldn't be confusing.
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OC at its core is not a form of protest for me. In fact it is quite the opposite for myself. It is a form of compliance. I carry a pistol because it is the most convenient tool for me to utilize as a self defense tool.
LGOC is not convenient for me as a common tool for self defense. In fact, it is by far too inconvenient to be utilized on a regular basis. However, as a tool to exercise my 1A right about my 2A right, it is useful. That's about all it is good for.
what law are you complying to?
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what law are you complying to?
I open carry to be in compliance with the concealed carry law. D'uh.
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Perhaps I do not understand what you mean then
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Perhaps I do not understand what you mean then
I don't OC as a form of protest. I OC, in part, because the statutes pertaining to concealed carry require that I do so. If you are not familiar with the statutes, I recommend that you attend a MOC Seminar in your area sometime. These seminars, conducted by MOC, are a great way to become familiar with the statutes relevant to the open carry of a handgun in Michigan.
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Ok, so you are talking about in the no conceal carry zones. You conceal everywhere else then?
I oc everywhere. Concealing just isn't comfortable for me. At least not with this holster
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Ok, so you are talking about in the no conceal carry zones. You conceal everywhere else then?
I oc everywhere. Concealing just isn't comfortable for me. At least not with this holster
No, I don't conceal carry every where else.
I open carry at work.
And sometimes, like when I wear a suit, I conceal carry. Or if I am wearing a jacket, I conceal carry. It all depends on what clothes I am wearing, I suppose.
And sometimes, when necessary, I LGOC. In fact, last Thursday, I did an IHLGOC at work.
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So you just do whatever is comfortable and legal at the time. Makes sense. What work do you do. Security?
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So you just do whatever is comfortable and legal at the time. Makes sense. What work do you do. Security?
That pretty much sums it up. Yes, I work part time for a security organization.
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I thought about starting a security company. Would be hard tho as I would not enforce a no gun rule
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Pat is the American James Bond.
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Pat is the American James Bond.
Sounds expensive
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Ok, it's time then for me to come out and clarify my position on OC as well:
James, from Dallas, Texas STRONGLY SUPPORTS the Open Carry of firearms.
Because if not, I might as well just stand upon the graves of the Founders, rip the Constitution to shreds, and burn the American flag for good measure...
Good job Tex.. As youi say--one is either with us or against us--hang together or seperately--by Obama and the media.
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not sure i'm in the right thread, but what about carrying the desert eagle? will i get yelled at for that?
its a holsterable pistol thats not scary like an ar pistol.
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not sure i'm in the right thread, but what about carrying the desert eagle? will i get yelled at for that?
its a holsterable pistol thats not scary like an ar pistol.
I think you're in the wrong thread.
And who said anything about being scary? Or yelling?
You seem to be making some things up. Maybe your not even in the right forum.
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must be the wrong thread. i asked about carrying an ar15 pistol. was told i couldnt. as its not really a self defense pistol.
might have to do some reading to find the right thread
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must be the wrong thread. i asked about carrying an ar15 pistol. was told i couldnt. as its not really a self defense pistol.
might have to do some reading to find the right thread
No, you asked about carrying a Desert Eagle, not an AR pistol. Those are two distinctly different guns.
not sure i'm in the right thread, but what about carrying the desert eagle? will i get yelled at for that?
its a holsterable pistol thats not scary like an ar pistol.
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I asked in a different thread, which i will try to find, so we can get back to topic here
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I asked in a different thread, which i will try to find, so we can get back to topic here
And that would be...?
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I'm not sure when this subject turned from original. But I agree with Pat in this
OC at its core is not a form of protest for me. In fact it is quite the opposite for myself. It is a form of compliance. I carry a pistol because it is the most convenient tool for me to utilize as a self defense tool.
LGOC is not convenient for me as a common tool for self defense. In fact, it is by far too inconvenient to be utilized on a regular basis. However, as a tool to exercise my 1A right about my 2A right, it is useful. That's about all it is good for.
I am not out carrying for the attention. I have never had an issue with any person be it Police or regular Joe/Jane. I carry for protection.
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I am not out carrying for the attention.
Is this what you think i do?
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Is this what you think i do?
I am still confused on this one. Two people at the romulus march were carrying AR15 pistols and were told to put them back in the car which they did so to not stir the pot. MOC supports LGOC but MOC member told those people to put them away? Doesnt make any sense. Or was it just because we didn't want to send some particular message that day? One has to wonder if MOC supports it then why were they told to put them away?? Everything I have seen written or discussed on these forums frowns upon OC of longun (ar Pistol) and the people on this forum can't deny that. Everyone thinks its to get attention but aren't people attracting attention when they OC regularly? OK watch you will get the regulars denying this fact that they OC because its comfortable etc etc etc which is all true but you and I both know they also like the attention it attracts or are at least OK with it attracting attention or they wouldnt do it. My friend OC his rifle because its all he can OC at his age without CPL. Also sometimes it is a good thing to carry in protest right place right time I see no issues at all with it.
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