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Offline FatMan

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« Reply #320 on: September 07, 2011, 11:19:54 PM »
 I had a pleasant experience open carrying today. I was going to get my tuxedo for my brothers wedding due to the tux shops mistake it was at the Fairlane mall location not the Westland store. I wasn't happy about their mistake and they were trying to be accommodating they offered to have it UPS'd over. I declined tho I would not have minded their incurring the cost I didn't want to hear tomorrow that there was another mix up and it wasn't their. So I elected to go to the mall.

 I don't know what Fairlane malls policies are I remember someone on here having a negative experience I think in the parking lot. But I didn't feel like entering a place I have heard only more and more bad things about as far as security unarmed. So in I went me, mr. glock and my 5 year old ( another reason to remained armed). I checked online to find where the store was so I could park close and expedite the trip thru the mall to the store. The tux shop is not an anchor store and is not right near one it is basically off of the food court. I found it quickly and was about my business in the store. One of the store employees asked if I was LEO I gave him my standard line  " I am my sons bodyguard" to which he replied "good we will be safe while your're here"

I was refitted  they needed to shorten the sleeves and press the tux so I had to wait. They had given my son a beach ball to play with and we stepped outside the store to play. After a while a customer who had come in after us came out and began talking to a security guard. I had seen the security guard approach and was expecting him to come up to me. However he passed me by to speak to the other customer. I stepped a little further away to give them their privacy. They were speaking in hushed tones but I expected to be approached by the guard soon after. They were finishing their conversation and I turned to face the guard. the customer said just before he left " yeah, oh I didn't know that, Actually I'm all for it" I asked the guard if I was the topic of the discussion and he said "ah no, well yes but your well with in your rights there's no problem here" to which I responded not even really realizing what he had just said "I didn't know what your policies were I'm just running in here to get a tux and should be done in a few" then I realized he had said there was "no problem" and he repeated himself to which I said "oh, ok great thanks"

Why do you carry that handgun every place you go? Cause it's lighter than my shotgun.

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« Reply #321 on: September 08, 2011, 08:48:27 PM »
 Took a walk O'Cing to my Coney Island today. and to the dollar store, also to the Auto Zone then home.
Great weather. Carry On.
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« Reply #322 on: September 08, 2011, 11:02:06 PM »
Fairlane Mall is a war zone. They have a curfew for kids in that place, it turned into gang on gang violence after dark. Most Taubman centers I've carried at have no issues with OC, good to hear Fairlane is good to go.

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« Reply #323 on: September 09, 2011, 01:27:55 AM »
Fairlane Mall is a war zone. They have a curfew for kids in that place, it turned into gang on gang violence after dark. Most Taubman centers I've carried at have no issues with OC, good to hear Fairlane is good to go.

It's sad that a small group of thugs have run Fairlane into the ground. When we were kids (10-12yrs) we could ride the bus there and spend most of the day eating pretzels from the pretzel peddler & watching movies. Now I could not imagine anyone letting their kids go there alone. When I worked for an ATM Service Co. I got a call to check on a "sleeping" ATM [no transactions for hours] it was later in the evening on a Friday night about an hour before closing. As I walked towards the ATM there was a large group of young men hanging around, about a dozen in their late teens 18, 19 yr. olds maybe? The leader yells "hey Security Man - what you gonna do if we jump yo azz and take the keys?"  I just smiled and said  in a voice they could clearly hear "you wouldn't like the outcome." At about this time mall security comes down the hall from the other direction and says "you guys better move - he's not one of us, he works for the bank, and he is armed to the teeth." Mall security had to be notified in advance before anyone from our company entered the building and they would usually hang around while service calls were carried out, so they knew me already. There was about 25 feet between me and the hoodlums so I took off my jacket since security had already let the cat out of the bag - revealing my body armor, G17 in a shoulder rig (w/33rd mag) and my 357mag in a OWB holster. on my gunbelt. In unison a cry of "Daaaamn" went out from the group and they scurried away outside towards the bus stop area.

That was quite sometime ago. I can only imagine how "wonderful" things are there now. In my honest opinion to have unarmed security at this mall in particular, is a recipe for disaster.

OT - OCed around town with the family no issues, as it should be. Carry On!
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« Reply #324 on: September 09, 2011, 08:04:10 AM »
Open carried to Home Depot (Fenton). I had 3 employees help me figure out how much pebble gravel would be needed to fill a trench (for a french drain) that was 7 foot by 20 inches deep. They figured about 25 bags. No one commented on my carrying, like it was never there.

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« Reply #325 on: September 09, 2011, 09:51:04 AM »

DEARBORN — An armed robbery Monday at Fairlane Town Center ended with one suspect dead, one in custody, and one more still on the run from police.


http://www.pressandguide.com/articles/2011/03/14/news/doc4d7e2de622109345461512.txt


MICHIGAN Mall imposes curfew to limit youth presence

Wednesday, April 28, 2004



Some mall workers say the throngs of teens scare off customers.

KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS

DETROIT -- Tired of teenagers who intimidate other shoppers, a major mall in metro Detroit is clamping down with a curfew that aims to keep unruly kids out and eager consumers in.

Fairlane Town Center in Dearborn, Mich., the second-largest mall in Michigan, plans to prohibit all patrons ages 17 and younger from entering its center after 5 p.m. daily unless they're accompanied by an adult 21 or older. The ban goes into effect June 1 and is part of a nationwide trend of curfews for kids at shopping malls.

Every weekend, young people come in droves to the Dearborn mall to hang out, a teenage ritual that bothers some business owners.

"It scares our customers away," said Kimberly Polo, manager of Coreys Jewel Box. "People tell me, 'I don't come here because of the kids.'"

On Friday and Saturday nights at Fairlane, there are about 2,600 teenagers roaming through the mall at any given time, said the center's security director, Arnold Wicker. Most of them don't shop, and 25 to 300 of them are ejected each night for disturbing the peace.

Racial concerns

Many of the teens are black, which adds a racial element to the situation. The mall, in mainly white Dearborn, is less than a mile from mostly black Detroit. Race has been an issue in previous situations at Fairlane, most recently in 2000, when the death of a black shoplifter -- albeit at the hands of a black security guard -- sparked controversy and protests from black Detroiters.

But "it doesn't matter if they're white, black or polka-dot; 2,600 kids is an intimidating image," Wicker said. It makes life "uncomfortable for a middle-age shopper."

Mall officials said their move has nothing to do with race and that the policy will be applied equally to all people.

They announced the plan Tuesday with signs in English, Arabic and Spanish. Under the Adult Supervision Policy, if security guards think patrons look underage, they can ask them to either leave or show an ID that proves they're 17 or older.

In recent years, the mall has turned into a "baby-sitting service," where parents drop off their kids and leave them unsupervised, Fairlane General Manager Catherine O'Malley said.

"It's a safety issue," O'Malley said.

Common nationwide

Across the United States, malls are adopting curfews to keep the peace, said Patrice Duker of the International Council of Shopping Centers.

The trend started at the gigantic Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn., which established a policy in 1996 that requires youths younger than 16 to be accompanied by a parent or guardian age 21 or older after 6 p.m. on Friday and Saturday nights. The Fairlane policy is for every night.

In February 2003, the Oak Hollow Mall in Hyde Point, N.C., began requiring all kids 13 and younger to be accompanied by a parent. In April 2003, the Carousel Center in Syracuse, N.Y., began requiring shoppers younger than 18 to be accompanied by a parent on Friday and Saturday nights.

In Dearborn, Fairlane's move brought a mixed reaction.

The Michigan branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said the new policy infringes on the rights of both children and parents.

"We're generally opposed to curfews that treat all minors as if they're criminals," said Kary Moss, executive director of the Michigan ACLU.

Mall workers' response

But Polo and others who work in the mall said they welcome the move.

"They're so loud, it's unbelievable," she said while tending to a display of sterling silver rings on sale. "It's a lot of swearing."

Even some stores that sell mostly to teens approve of the new policy.

"I'm glad they're doing it, even though our store sells a lot of things for kids," said Cassandra Murphy, a saleswoman at Claire's, an accessories store. "There's a lot of shoplifting that goes on. There's so many little things in the store, they can grab things without us seeing."

Still, some are miffed about the new policy.

"Everyone likes coming to the mall," said Jeeniva Howze, 16, of Detroit. "That's where everyone hangs out."

Offline JoeCar

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« Reply #326 on: September 12, 2011, 10:36:01 AM »
Open carried on my Harley heading to Milford (folks). Stopped at an intersection to M59 and saw a guy in the next lane look over slightly and then tell his wife something to the effect "that guy's carring a gun". She looks past him and stares at me. Makes you smile. Then, I'm at a red light in Fenton, next to the French Laundry. One guy sitting out side notices me and then says something to the other guy. He looks back and I nod at the first guy. It's funny to think that our Second Amend. right is such a foreign concept to the general public.

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« Reply #327 on: September 13, 2011, 12:32:27 PM »
While open carrying in Home Depot yesterday w/wife, I saw another open carrier at the pay booth. It was the first sighting since last year (other than our own events) of another citizen doing the same. I came up from behind him and said, "Excuse me, do you have a license to carry that thing?" He turned around and smiled after he saw my own. He lives in Linden and was familiar with the MSP update no. 86. He said that the past week he was open carrying into his daughter's elementary school. No one said anything. Next we went into VG's for a coffee and doughnut and a guy shopper asked me if I was open carrying. I said, Yes. We chatted a little and i passed him my update no.86. While having my coffee, we watched him read the update while going to his truck. He made 3 different stops along the way (reading) and then one at the truck. It was funny to watch.

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« Reply #328 on: September 15, 2011, 07:42:01 PM »
a guy shopper asked me if I was open carrying

This still continues to amaze me the number of people that come up to you and make it a point to ask if you are open carrying.... It's like you want to say you can see it out in the open can't you? But more people approach you being curious than those who run away.

OT was in taylor while ocing the other day about 530pm stopped at dunhams on telegraph for the first time after checking out their selection of firearms and ammo, they did have a M1 carbine in stock that had dings but no ammo. On the way out the door two taylor leo's made an enterance like they had it out to find somene one took a loop around the long side of the store the other made his way in and out of the registers. I was on my way out and assume it was a mwag call? No contact, not even sure if they saw me ocing.

Next stop harry's surplus, I don't remember this place always being this expensive?

Offline METL

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« Reply #329 on: September 17, 2011, 03:01:31 PM »
OCed at Classic Arms in lansing, and pretty much every where else I went (except work where I CC) for the last few weeks...    meijer, lowe's, menard's, panera bread, speedways, flapjack, tim hortons, applebees, and more...

Offline Waterborne

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« Reply #330 on: September 17, 2011, 08:53:50 PM »
The wife and I started off the day OC at Starbucks. We walked in right behind an OCSD deputy. He noticed but said nothing and smiled. Next we went to Williams up in Davison to pick up her new M&P. Then we stopped by GLX to hit a few stores with the obligatory stop at Bass Pro. We just got back from CQT, getting some range time in. We also signed up for some training that we have been anxiously awaiting to take together. All in all a very good day and not a problem to be had.

Offline JoeCar

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« Reply #331 on: September 22, 2011, 10:22:18 AM »
I was open carrying in Tim Horton's (Fenton) and this gentleman w/son approached me while I was reading the paper. He wanted to know if I was undercover? I knew he didn't mean that since anyone could see that I was armed. We talked about the MSP 86 update. I gave him my copy that I carry. He had a cpl but was surprised that I was open carrying in the restaurant. It's not seen much. Next, I gassed up at the Marathon station. As I walked in, a guy commented: "Isn't one magazine enough?" I said: "The other is just for looks." Thinking back, I should of said: One is for local, and the other magazine is when I go to Flint.

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« Reply #332 on: September 22, 2011, 03:10:42 PM »
 8) Joecar that was funny, Carry On ;D.
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Offline PaulC

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« Reply #333 on: September 22, 2011, 06:23:42 PM »
Some OC firsts this week...

OC'ed for the first time at my son's preschool, no issues.

and just about 15 minutes ago I seen my first ever fellow OC'er at the Kroger on 26 mile and Romeo Plank.. I stopped and said hi :)
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« Reply #334 on: September 23, 2011, 08:27:33 PM »
Open carried w/wife today in VG's market and several garage sales. Some obvious looks, but no one made any comments. Tomorrow I'm going to hit Flint for the Bikes on the Bricks event. I'll let you all know how it goes.

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« Reply #335 on: September 23, 2011, 10:28:00 PM »
Some OC firsts this week...

OC'ed for the first time at my son's preschool, no issues.

and just about 15 minutes ago I seen my first ever fellow OC'er at the Kroger on 26 mile and Romeo Plank.. I stopped and said hi :)

Did you talk to the principal/teacher first and explain to them the legalities of OC w/CPL or just roll? If you OC'd with no explanation, did they notice and say nothing/ask questions? Just curious as to what they might say if other parents freaked out and complained.

Offline PaulC

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« Reply #336 on: September 24, 2011, 02:01:25 PM »
I thought about talking to them, but I decided against it. I just rolled with it. I think that if it is presented in a proper manner and with the proper confidence a future discussion would be more of a "this is what allows me" verses a "I wanna do this, can I ?" conversation.

I read ALL of the school districts policies
I printed out the State Statute on Preemption
I printed out the Federal PFZ - School Statute
I printed out MSP update #86

I highlighted applicable areas and made a "booklet" and took the booklet in with me. No one has said word one to me yet. Several parents have wide eyed my hip, the teacher seen and no one has said word one.

I am very much prepared to inform them should someone ask.

When I drop him off and pick him up I am usually dressed in a collared shirt and dress pants. (very professional looking and clean cut)

I am open to your thoughts
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Offline kryptonian

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« Reply #337 on: September 25, 2011, 09:32:59 AM »
went to birmingham art fair thing yesterday OC of course. i worked in bham for years and know my way around and kniow lots of people and the police so was interested to see how OC would go there. i've heard OC may not be accepted well there. not by design i looked very cop like. i had just come from a funeral in royal oakso had on black shoes, black kahkis and a white polo shirt on. only encountered 2 officers and not real sure if they saw me or not. other than that no problems no issues.
i went shooting later saturday with my good friend jill. we went to place in livonia. i shot my sig 9mm at 15 ft and as usual did well except for one stray shot above the right shoulder of target. A MISS AT 15 FEET????
i was stunned. putting myself on OC probation. i was rushing my shots a little but a full miss????
i did buy a blackhawk magazine belt holder to match my serpa holster. will try out today.
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Offline JoeCar

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« Reply #338 on: September 26, 2011, 08:36:37 AM »
I went to the Back to the Bricks event in Flint, on Saturday. I went alone determined to open carry at the Vehicle City dealership and in the city. I picked up a riding mate while waiting in the long lines to get into the parking lot. Nice guy biker named Jerry. He had long hair, and sported an 8 inch pony tail goatee. I got registered as I entered the driveway and no said peep about my stainless Beretta. I parked, along with the others and went inside for a drink of water. Of the 700 bikes and probably 900 assorted people including a Flint police officer, they would look, but no one said anything to me. I carried 10 copies of the MSP 86 update for those who inquired. I gave away only one and it was to Jerry who inquired two hours later when we were walking around the blocked off streets of Flint. I was very disappointed in only one person inquired. I'm sure that there were undercover police present and others conceal carrying. I ordered a pizza (medium, 5 items for 12.70) at WizeGuys restaurant. It was great! I stayed to about 8 pm walking around oc while some of the folks walked about drinking beer out of cans. They did their thing, I did mine. I passed a MSP car on my ride out. I'm sure he saw, but nothing became of it.

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« Reply #339 on: September 26, 2011, 06:30:44 PM »
OC'ed Today walking to Dollor Store about 1 1/2 Miles from my house. Then to the Gas Station next door. Jumped in the ride and went to a burger joint on Michigan Ave. in Dearborn. Left there and walked up and down the Ave. window shopping. Also stopped at wonderland music. Ask to feel this and then that. no problems. Carry On.
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