Questions about CADL Case Status and legal fund

[emt805]

What is the status of this case?  Last I heard it was waiting for the panel of three for judgment?

[TheQ]

That's about it. Movement not expected until at least February, 2012. If you'd like to discuss the case in more detail, please start a new thread or find one of the old ones.

[emt805]

No that's alright I'll stay here as it relates to this thread, was just curious why all the sudden a fundraiser for this case that will be tied up here rather than a general fund that could be voted by the board to be used on any cases that come up? I understand a proactive approach but why not build a general fund that can be moved to this?

[TheQ]

...I even said "please" in my prior post

I'll let other board members answer your question as well.  Here are my thoughts: MOC would like to have a standing legal fund specifically for the use of the organization to battle legal questions as they come up.  This fund isn't a 1983 case fund as MOC as currently organized cannot have a fund that is setup to benefit individual members.

We still have bills to pay in concerns to CADL.  We'd hope CADL would be our last need for a lawyer, but we'd like to be prepared in case it is not.  The Board of Directors will also direct how the legal funds are to be used.

[emt805]

WOW.....Still that is why I am not a paying member here.

You did not answer my question at all. I did not ask about an individual member or non member fund. I stated a general fund that can be used for future cases similar to this one that the funds can be voted to cover said costs and "bills".

[TheQ]

WOW.....Still that is why I am not a paying member here.

You did not answer my question at all. I did not ask about an individual member or non member fund. I stated a general fund that can be used for future cases similar to this one that the funds can be voted to cover said costs and "bills".

I'm Sorry, emt.  hamaneggs stepped in with another matter related to a separate legal fund.  That topic (an internal matter) has been moved to the Member's Lounge.  I gave you my opinion in a prior post.  Other members of the leadership team are welcome to chime in with their thoughts.

[autosurgeon]

WOW.....Still that is why I am not a paying member here.

You did not answer my question at all. I did not ask about an individual member or non member fund. I stated a general fund that can be used for future cases similar to this one that the funds can be voted to cover said costs and "bills".

A fund that could be used by the organization to pay for a legal team for the purpose of seeking legal action for the benefit of the members as a whole IMOP would be legal. However INAL

NOTE this is different than a fund that would be used to benefit an individual as non profits from my research can take legal action when said action would benefit the entire organization or the population as a whole.

As for the issue that was moved to the members section that is an internal matter and should have stayed internal at this point.

[northofnowhere]

emt805,

     It is my understanding we still owe for our current legal battle, it has not been paid for, hence the fundraiser to pay already due debt.  After that debt is taken care of, more time will be taken to look into fundraising for that type of a fund.  It is my understanding that most of the Board and leadership team all want to have some type of a fund such as that, but that they still need to finish researching the BEST way to set that fund up legally.  There really is no need to start a fundraiser for future legal bills until the current ones are taken care of, as least that is my personal take on the matter.

     Phil answered the question emt805, really no need to jump on him, all you ahd to do was ask for clarification, and not scream at him and discuss why you aren't a member.  I am a member because I believe we are on the right track.  You can feel free to continue not to become a member, that is fine, there are PLENTY fo ways to help our common goals in the area of the Second Amendment, it really is no big deal that you choose not to be.

-jason r.

[onnie0047@gmail.com]

No that's alright I'll stay here as it relates to this thread, was just curious why all the sudden a fundraiser for this case that will be tied up here rather than a general fund that could be voted by the board to be used on any cases that come up? I understand a proactive approach but why not build a general fund that can be moved to this?

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly.  We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.   

There was more at issue here than just carrying a legal handgun into a library as was set forth in motion by CADL when they challenged the courts into defining that "Open Carrying" was in fact brandishing.

If we did not answer the complaint and allowed CADL to go before the judge without our lawyers, we may today have an order banning us from OPEN CARRYING. 

I’m not sure why you thought MOC got involved in this, but understand we were dragged into this and it outcome directly affects YOU, me and every one of the 344,000 CPL holders in this state.

You don’t want to join MOC, fine, you and everybody who carries in Michigan has benefited by the efforts of MOC since they started in 2009.  Without MOC there would have been more Ham and Eggs issues, T-Mack issues, Ponderosa issues and others that happened well before I came along.

Last year at the Detroit Ho-Down Open Carriers and CC carries as well would have been at the least ticket and possibly thrown in jail for exercising their rights if the DPD knew that they were carrying a weapon on public land.  Thanks to MOC efforts we were welcomed with ZERO issues.  Public areas of Royal Oak and Taylor would still be PFZ Zones

Seems to me you are willing to take advantage of what MOC has done over the last 3 years but unwilling to do anything but let us know that you wont join or support MOC. 

I became a member because I believe in open carrying.  MOC was the group leading the way, in fact they were the only group.  Did I believe in everything MOC was doing and how they were doing it, nope and that is why I ran for the Board of Directors.

If you are unhappy about the way MOC is handling things, get involved. That way you can actually SEE the process and become a part of it.

[TheQ]

...I guess when MGO's website is down and trolling in the OC section there isn't an option, some people are so desperate to troll they sign up for and make their first post to a whole different organization's Forum.

[CV67PAT]

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly.  We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.   

There was more at issue here than just carrying a legal handgun into a library as was set forth in motion by CADL when they challenged the courts into defining that "Open Carrying" was in fact brandishing.

umm.... the CADL issue, as I know it, revolves around the jack-napkin that walked in with a shotgun, and the follow-up with a couple more spooge sponges who pushed the envelope.  Am I wrong?

Doesn't matter if you're right or wrong. I am the resident troll here and your lack of trolling experience and ability is sadly lacking and it shows. Go practice a little more on some other site before trying to invade my trolling turf, poser.

[emt805]

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly.  We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.   

I am quite aware what cadl vs moc and follow it, I have donated money to the fund and attending lansing hearing on this event and other cities such as huntington woods council meetings.


It seems recently a lot of people walk around here with big heads walking on others.

[METL]

...I guess when MGO's website is down and trolling in the OC section there isn't an option, some people are so desperate to troll they sign up for and make their first post to a whole different organization's Forum.

Ahhh....   one and done...   LoL!!!          I don't know if it was brave or incredibly stupid to come in with the Buzzcat (tm) name...   

[DetroitBiker]

What happened to Buzzcat's Post?  I see he made one by other people's Quotes

Was his Removed?

[CV67PAT]

What happened to Buzzcat's Post?  I see he made one by other people's Quotes

Was his Removed?

Buzzpussy tried to troll with the troll and got shoved under the bridge. Ha Ha Ha

Actually he made some absurd comments about MOC that got deleted. Then his retort got deleted. Then he got deleted. ROFLMAO!!!

I have to admit though, things are pretty boring without MGO to play around with.

No overpriced guns to look at or fudds to mess with.

And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

[Shadow Bear]

What happened to Buzzcat's Post?  I see he made one by other people's Quotes

Was his Removed?

Buzzpussy tried to troll with the troll and got shoved under the bridge. Ha Ha Ha

Actually he made some absurd comments about MOC that got deleted. Then his retort got deleted. Then he got deleted. ROFLMAO!!!

I have to admit though, things are pretty boring without MGO to play around with.

No overpriced guns to look at or fudds to mess with.

And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

Ah, that's what happened. After the reference to Buzzcat, I went looking......

Hate to see a good troll go hungry!

[CV67PAT]

I can show him how to get right back in if he'd like. He'd have to come up with a new username. That's why i mentioned buzzpussy. Fits better too.

[TheQ]

And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

We could let those two back in and limit them to a special sub-forum for the three of you and anyone else who wants to watch

[TheQ]

That's why i mentioned buzzpussy. Fits better too.

Is that a new "toy"?

[onnie0047@gmail.com]

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly.  We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.   

I am quite aware what cadl vs moc and follow it, I have donated money to the fund and attending lansing hearing on this event and other cities such as huntington woods council meetings.


It seems recently a lot of people walk around here with big heads walking on others.

This makes no sense to me!