Michigan Supreme Court denies CADL leave to appeal

[jgillmanjr]

J and M are next to each other on a QWERTY keyboard.  I say typo.

Actually, although you are still quite smart for using Linux (Debian > * b***hes), it is not actually a typo.

You'll see this in other opinions as well (all that I've looked at, in fact) - both supreme court and COA.

I think the J just refers to the fact they are a justice or judge. I'm not 100% sure, but this is the only thing I can think of. You'll also see P.J. (I'm guessing Primary Justice/Judge) and JJ (probably just indicative of a 'regular' Justice/Judge).

So for example, if you look at the Partial Concurrence/Dissent (http://publicdocs.courts.mi.gov:81/opinions/final/coa/20121025_c304582(65)_rptr_140o-304582-final.pdf) for the COA case, you'll see GLEICHER, P.J. even though the first name and middle initital are Elizabeth L.

Like I said, I'm not 100% what the J stands for, but I'm 99.999999999999999999999% that it's not a typo.

[sircapsalot]

Thank you everyone. (I missed the Announcement section earlier) 

did you make a post on it too? I did too and immediately saw it in announcements 

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So for example, if you look at the Partial Concurrence/Dissent (http://publicdocs.courts.mi.gov:81/opinions/final/coa/20121025_c304582(65)_rptr_140o-304582-final.pdf) for the COA case, you'll see GLEICHER, P.J. even though the first name and middle initital are Elizabeth L.

Link fails

[gryphon]

Link fails

Someone included the closing parenthesis in the URL. 

Just delete it, part deux.

[part deux]

DOH, normally I catch stuff like that

thank you!

[woodtic31]

Michigan is now a better place to live!
 
Onward to Constitutional Carry!!!!

Big THANKS to those that put forth the effort to preserve our RIGHT to Open Carry!!

[drtodd]

This is significant. Very significant. The win is actually in the Court of Appeals opinion. The use of wording contained therein, such as "occupies the whole field" completely and the fact that the description of a "local unit of government" was broaden beyond the statute's narrow definition means that anything representing a form of government is strictly prohibited from enacting any "policies" restricting firearm possession.
I know a community college that will soon be getting an education.

So who is going to OC at a Lions game? Can the NFL ban pistols from a place owned by an "Authority"? Hmm.

[CV67PAT]

I don't go to lions games. Why not try it out yourself. I already have a venue that I am working on.

[TheQ]

So who is going to OC at a Lions game? Can the NFL ban pistols from a place owned by an "Authority"? Hmm.

Pro-2A lawyers I have spoke to including:

Jim Makowski
Dean Greenblatt
Terry Johnson

All of the opinion that an excellent case would be made, probably a victorious one (for them, not us), by a litigant that was renting or leasing a property that was owned by an authority or other public entity.

[drtodd]

I don't go to lions games. Why not try it out yourself. I already have a venue that I am working on.

I wasn't really referring to you specifically... so it's open to anyone who likes football. I don't like football nor do I go to venues with large crowds: malls on weekends, Black Friday shopping, etc.

I OC the rare times I go to crowded places that are also PFZs: no one said anything to me at the Van Andel Arena to watch an Ozzie concert. I even had to empty my pockets and have them pat me down. Pistol in holster was there, security didn't even ask me about it. There's nowhere I'd really care to go that I haven't already carried OC

[CV67PAT]

I wasn't really referring to you specifically... so it's open to anyone who likes football. I don't like football nor do I go to venues with large crowds: malls on weekends, Black Friday shopping, etc.

I OC the rare times I go to crowded places that are also PFZs: no one said anything to me at the Van Andel Arena to watch an Ozzie concert. I even had to empty my pockets and have them pat me down. Pistol in holster was there, security didn't even ask me about it. There's nowhere I'd really care to go that I haven't already carried OC

I thought that since you quoted my post you were directing you remark towards me.

[CV67PAT]

Pro-2A lawyers I have spoke to including:

Jim Makowski
Dean Greenblatt
Terry Johnson

All of the opinion that an excellent case would be made, probably a victorious one (for them, not us), by a litigant that was renting or leasing a property that was owned by an authority or other public entity.

How then did A,B, & E become required to alter their policy? Private enterprise on local unit of government property.

So can the reverse be possible too then. An authority renting/leasing private property could prohibit firearms because the landlord does?

[gryphon]

no one said anything to me at the Van Andel Arena to watch an Ozzie concert. I even had to empty my pockets and have them pat me down. Pistol in holster was there, security didn't even ask me about it.

You OCed to a concert and that was okay, but you still had to empty your pockets?  What the heck were they looking for in people's pockets that were against their rules?

[CV67PAT]

You OCed to a concert and that was okay, but you still had to empty your pockets?  What the heck were they looking for in people's pockets that were against their rules?

food and alcohol.

[TheQ]

How then did A,B, & E become required to alter their policy? Private enterprise on local unit of government property.

So can the reverse be possible too then. An authority renting/leasing private property could prohibit firearms because the landlord does?

ABE changed their policy because we pressured them in the press -- no litigation.

[drtodd]

food and alcohol.

Bingo!

[METL]

Pro-2A lawyers I have spoke to including:

Jim Makowski
Dean Greenblatt
Terry Johnson

All of the opinion that an excellent case would be made, probably a victorious one (for them, not us), by a litigant that was renting or leasing a property that was owned by an authority or other public entity.

So what you're saying is that if the facilities are leased/rented, then the rules change?   City owned property, leased to whom ever, then can have rules in violation of pre-emption?

[TheQ]

So what you're saying is that if the facilities are leased/rented, then the rules change?   City owned property, leased to whom ever, then can have rules in violation of pre-emption?

Provided the leasing entity is the one that made the rule, yes -- that is the opinion of those 3 lawyers.

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Does AB&E "lease" the city streets?  Trying to recall the Belleville Strawberry Festival, and how they close mainstreet for a weekend every June.  IRC, it wasn't a lease, but an agreement they could use the street, and money was provided to cover police dept overtime.

Can city streets be leased?

[TheQ]

Does AB&E "lease" the city streets?  Trying to recall the Belleville Strawberry Festival, and how they close mainstreet for a weekend every June.  IRC, it wasn't a lease, but an agreement they could use the street, and money was provided to cover police dept overtime.

Can city streets be leased?

Great questions for a lawyer.

If special/exclusive use privileges were granted and money changed hands, I'd say it's a lease.