Author Topic: Questions about CADL Case Status and legal fund (Read 19977 times)

emt805 · « **on:** December 01, 2011, 10:43:09 PM »

What is the status of this case? Last I heard it was waiting for the panel of three for judgment?

TheQ · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2011, 11:02:37 PM »

That's about it. Movement not expected until at least February, 2012. If you'd like to discuss the case in more detail, please start a new thread or find one of the old ones.

emt805 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2011, 07:19:33 AM »

No that's alright I'll stay here as it relates to this thread, was just curious why all the sudden a fundraiser for this case that will be tied up here rather than a general fund that could be voted by the board to be used on any cases that come up? I understand a proactive approach but why not build a general fund that can be moved to this?

TheQ · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2011, 07:45:36 AM »

...I even said "please" in my prior post

I'll let other board members answer your question as well. Here are my thoughts: MOC would like to have a standing legal fund specifically for the use of the organization to battle legal questions as they come up. This fund isn't a 1983 case fund as MOC as currently organized cannot have a fund that is setup to benefit individual members.

We still have bills to pay in concerns to CADL. We'd hope CADL would be our last need for a lawyer, but we'd like to be prepared in case it is not. The Board of Directors will also direct how the legal funds are to be used.

emt805 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2011, 01:33:51 AM »

WOW.....Still that is why I am not a paying member here.

You did not answer my question at all. I did not ask about an individual member or non member fund. I stated a general fund that can be used for future cases similar to this one that the funds can be voted to cover said costs and "bills".

TheQ · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2011, 04:33:06 PM »

Quote from: emt805 on December 03, 2011, 01:33:51 AM

WOW.....Still that is why I am not a paying member here.

You did not answer my question at all. I did not ask about an individual member or non member fund. I stated a general fund that can be used for future cases similar to this one that the funds can be voted to cover said costs and "bills".

I'm Sorry, emt. hamaneggs stepped in with another matter related to a separate legal fund. That topic (an internal matter) has been moved to the Member's Lounge. I gave you my opinion in a prior post. Other members of the leadership team are welcome to chime in with their thoughts.

autosurgeon · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2011, 06:07:02 PM »

Quote from: emt805 on December 03, 2011, 01:33:51 AM

WOW.....Still that is why I am not a paying member here.

You did not answer my question at all. I did not ask about an individual member or non member fund. I stated a general fund that can be used for future cases similar to this one that the funds can be voted to cover said costs and "bills".

A fund that could be used by the organization to pay for a legal team for the purpose of seeking legal action for the benefit of the members as a whole IMOP would be legal. However INAL

NOTE this is different than a fund that would be used to benefit an individual as non profits from my research can take legal action when said action would benefit the entire organization or the population as a whole.

As for the issue that was moved to the members section that is an internal matter and should have stayed internal at this point.

northofnowhere · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2011, 08:13:01 AM »

emt805,

It is my understanding we still owe for our current legal battle, it has not been paid for, hence the fundraiser to pay already due debt. After that debt is taken care of, more time will be taken to look into fundraising for that type of a fund. It is my understanding that most of the Board and leadership team all want to have some type of a fund such as that, but that they still need to finish researching the BEST way to set that fund up legally. There really is no need to start a fundraiser for future legal bills until the current ones are taken care of, as least that is my personal take on the matter.

Phil answered the question emt805, really no need to jump on him, all you ahd to do was ask for clarification, and not scream at him and discuss why you aren't a member. I am a member because I believe we are on the right track. You can feel free to continue not to become a member, that is fine, there are PLENTY fo ways to help our common goals in the area of the Second Amendment, it really is no big deal that you choose not to be.

-jason r.

onnie0047@gmail.com · « **Reply #8 on:** December 24, 2011, 01:00:40 PM »

Quote from: emt805 on December 02, 2011, 07:19:33 AM

No that's alright I'll stay here as it relates to this thread, was just curious why all the sudden a fundraiser for this case that will be tied up here rather than a general fund that could be voted by the board to be used on any cases that come up? I understand a proactive approach but why not build a general fund that can be moved to this?

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly. We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.

There was more at issue here than just carrying a legal handgun into a library as was set forth in motion by CADL when they challenged the courts into defining that "Open Carrying" was in fact brandishing.

If we did not answer the complaint and allowed CADL to go before the judge without our lawyers, we may today have an order banning us from OPEN CARRYING.

I’m not sure why you thought MOC got involved in this, but understand we were dragged into this and it outcome directly affects YOU, me and every one of the 344,000 CPL holders in this state.

You don’t want to join MOC, fine, you and everybody who carries in Michigan has benefited by the efforts of MOC since they started in 2009. Without MOC there would have been more Ham and Eggs issues, T-Mack issues, Ponderosa issues and others that happened well before I came along.

Last year at the Detroit Ho-Down Open Carriers and CC carries as well would have been at the least ticket and possibly thrown in jail for exercising their rights if the DPD knew that they were carrying a weapon on public land. Thanks to MOC efforts we were welcomed with ZERO issues. Public areas of Royal Oak and Taylor would still be PFZ Zones

Seems to me you are willing to take advantage of what MOC has done over the last 3 years but unwilling to do anything but let us know that you wont join or support MOC.

I became a member because I believe in open carrying. MOC was the group leading the way, in fact they were the only group. Did I believe in everything MOC was doing and how they were doing it, nope and that is why I ran for the Board of Directors.

If you are unhappy about the way MOC is handling things, get involved. That way you can actually SEE the process and become a part of it.

TheQ · « **Reply #9 on:** December 25, 2011, 06:15:30 PM »

...I guess when MGO's website is down and trolling in the OC section there isn't an option, some people are so desperate to troll they sign up for and make their first post to a whole different organization's Forum.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #10 on:** December 26, 2011, 01:58:37 AM »

Quote from: Buzzcat on December 25, 2011, 05:14:38 PM

Quote from: Onnie on December 24, 2011, 01:00:40 PM
You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly. We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.

There was more at issue here than just carrying a legal handgun into a library as was set forth in motion by CADL when they challenged the courts into defining that "Open Carrying" was in fact brandishing.

umm.... the CADL issue, as I know it, revolves around the jack-napkin that walked in with a shotgun, and the follow-up with a couple more spooge sponges who pushed the envelope. Am I wrong?

Doesn't matter if you're right or wrong. I am the resident troll here and your lack of trolling experience and ability is sadly lacking and it shows. Go practice a little more on some other site before trying to invade my trolling turf, poser.

emt805 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 26, 2011, 12:43:07 PM »

Quote from: Onnie on December 24, 2011, 01:00:40 PM

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly. We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.

I am quite aware what cadl vs moc and follow it, I have donated money to the fund and attending lansing hearing on this event and other cities such as huntington woods council meetings.

It seems recently a lot of people walk around here with big heads walking on others.

METL · « **Reply #12 on:** December 27, 2011, 02:46:44 PM »

Quote from: TheQ on December 25, 2011, 06:15:30 PM

...I guess when MGO's website is down and trolling in the OC section there isn't an option, some people are so desperate to troll they sign up for and make their first post to a whole different organization's Forum.

Ahhh.... one and done... LoL!!! I don't know if it was brave or incredibly stupid to come in with the Buzzcat (tm) name...

DetroitBiker · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2011, 07:20:21 PM »

What happened to Buzzcat's Post? I see he made one by other people's Quotes

Was his Removed?

CV67PAT · « **Reply #14 on:** December 27, 2011, 08:48:36 PM »

Quote from: DetroitBiker on December 27, 2011, 07:20:21 PM

What happened to Buzzcat's Post? I see he made one by other people's Quotes

Was his Removed?

Buzzpussy tried to troll with the troll and got shoved under the bridge. Ha Ha Ha

Actually he made some absurd comments about MOC that got deleted. Then his retort got deleted. Then he got deleted. ROFLMAO!!!

I have to admit though, things are pretty boring without MGO to play around with.

No overpriced guns to look at or fudds to mess with.

And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

Shadow Bear · « **Reply #15 on:** December 27, 2011, 10:08:10 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 27, 2011, 08:48:36 PM

Quote from: DetroitBiker on December 27, 2011, 07:20:21 PM
What happened to Buzzcat's Post? I see he made one by other people's Quotes

Was his Removed?

Buzzpussy tried to troll with the troll and got shoved under the bridge. Ha Ha Ha

Actually he made some absurd comments about MOC that got deleted. Then his retort got deleted. Then he got deleted. ROFLMAO!!!

I have to admit though, things are pretty boring without MGO to play around with.

No overpriced guns to look at or fudds to mess with.

And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

Ah, that's what happened. After the reference to Buzzcat, I went looking......

Hate to see a good troll go hungry!

CV67PAT · « **Reply #16 on:** December 27, 2011, 10:22:29 PM »

I can show him how to get right back in if he'd like. He'd have to come up with a new username. That's why i mentioned buzzpussy. Fits better too.

TheQ · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2011, 11:35:19 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 27, 2011, 08:48:36 PM

And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

We could let those two back in and limit them to a special sub-forum for the three of you and anyone else who wants to watch

TheQ · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2011, 11:36:53 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 27, 2011, 10:22:29 PM

That's why i mentioned buzzpussy. Fits better too.

Is that a new "toy"?

onnie0047@gmail.com · « **Reply #19 on:** December 28, 2011, 01:09:52 AM »

Quote from: emt805 on December 26, 2011, 12:43:07 PM

Quote from: Onnie on December 24, 2011, 01:00:40 PM

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly. We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.
I am quite aware what cadl vs moc and follow it, I have donated money to the fund and attending lansing hearing on this event and other cities such as huntington woods council meetings.

It seems recently a lot of people walk around here with big heads walking on others.

This makes no sense to me!

CV67PAT · « **Reply #20 on:** December 28, 2011, 01:14:54 AM »

Quote from: Onnie on December 28, 2011, 01:09:52 AM

Quote from: emt805 on December 26, 2011, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Onnie on December 24, 2011, 01:00:40 PM

You apparently are not aware what CADL vs MOC means.......it means that CADL sued Michigan Open Carry directly. We had to answer the complaint, we had no choice in the matter.
I am quite aware what cadl vs moc and follow it, I have donated money to the fund and attending lansing hearing on this event and other cities such as huntington woods council meetings.

It seems recently a lot of people walk around here with big heads walking on others.
This makes no sense to me!

Me neither. But if I had said so I'd have gotten reported.

TheQ · « **Reply #21 on:** December 28, 2011, 01:32:52 AM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 28, 2011, 01:14:54 AM

Me neither. But if I had said so I'd have gotten reported.

Your concurrence may get you reported -- as sure as the unloaded glock in my pistol safe is about to discharge by itself.

CV67PAT · « **Reply #22 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:05:53 AM »

Quote from: TheQ on December 28, 2011, 01:32:52 AM

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 28, 2011, 01:14:54 AM
Me neither. But if I had said so I'd have gotten reported.

Your concurrence may get you reported -- as sure as the unloaded glock in my pistol safe is about to discharge by itself.

I keep mine disassembled. No sense in taking any chances. I can reassemble it and chamber a round pretty quick if I need to. I practice it with snap caps. I don't like even having real ammo in the same room with it. The ammo might even go off by itself if it gets too close to a Glock.

Shadow Bear · « **Reply #23 on:** December 28, 2011, 12:19:50 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 28, 2011, 02:05:53 AM

Quote from: TheQ on December 28, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Quote from: CV67PAT on December 28, 2011, 01:14:54 AM
Me neither. But if I had said so I'd have gotten reported.

Your concurrence may get you reported -- as sure as the unloaded glock in my pistol safe is about to discharge by itself.

I keep mine disassembled. No sense in taking any chances. I can reassemble it and chamber a round pretty quick if I need to. I practice it with snap caps. I don't like even having real ammo in the same room with it. The ammo might even go off by itself if it gets too close to a Glock.

I load my mags with foam rubber bullets, no powder and no primer. You ought to wrap the Glock in foam rubber, too, in case it falls on someone's toes.....

An empty magazine is just begging for trouble. One of those nasty-wasty HPs might crawl in when you're not looking.

yance · « **Reply #24 on:** December 28, 2011, 01:28:11 PM »

You may even want to carry condition "butterscotch" just to be sure...

TheQ · « **Reply #25 on:** December 28, 2011, 02:54:46 PM »

Carry!? Why would you ever carry even a disassembled Glock?! That's more dangerous than having it disassembled in your safe!

yance · « **Reply #26 on:** December 28, 2011, 04:47:28 PM »

youre right...individual safes for the different individual parts is the safest option so they cant get back out without you knowing.

Bronson · « **Reply #27 on:** December 29, 2011, 12:23:52 PM »

Quote from: TheQ on December 27, 2011, 11:35:19 PM

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 27, 2011, 08:48:36 PM
And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

We could let those two back in and limit them to a special sub-forum for the three of you and anyone else who wants to watch

Sell tickets and you've got one hell of a fund raiser

Bronson

TheQ · « **Reply #28 on:** December 29, 2011, 12:40:41 PM »

We could call the fundraising campaign "feed the troll".

LD · « **Reply #29 on:** December 29, 2011, 03:47:48 PM »

Need to get back on MGO if you want to feed trolls.

scot623 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 29, 2011, 03:59:47 PM »

Make note...calling one of the Board who possesses a ban hammer a "spooge sponge" is a sure fire way to get banned.

TheQ · « **Reply #31 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:08:26 PM »

Who is this LD guy from the tri-cities?

TheQ · « **Reply #32 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:21:55 PM »

Quote from: scot623 on December 29, 2011, 03:59:47 PM

Make note...calling one of the Board who possesses a ban hammer a "spooge sponge" is a sure fire way to get banned.

...2 of the current board members.

Shadow Bear · « **Reply #33 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:28:40 PM »

Quote from: Bronson on December 29, 2011, 12:23:52 PM

Quote from: TheQ on December 27, 2011, 11:35:19 PM
Quote from: CV67PAT on December 27, 2011, 08:48:36 PM
And this forum is lame without brainless1911 and lil_stupid_66. But it's starting to get some fresh meat.

We could let those two back in and limit them to a special sub-forum for the three of you and anyone else who wants to watch

Sell tickets and you've got one hell of a fund raiser

Bronson

I can recommend one more candidate for the pool, but that's all 'for now'

CV67PAT · « **Reply #34 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:46:38 PM »

Quote from: LD on December 29, 2011, 03:47:48 PM

Need to get back on MGO if you want to feed trolls.

Don't know which is worse there. The trolls, the fudds, or the keyboard commando experts.

Shadow Bear · « **Reply #35 on:** December 29, 2011, 05:01:35 PM »

Quote from: CV67PAT on December 29, 2011, 04:46:38 PM

Quote from: LD on December 29, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
Need to get back on MGO if you want to feed trolls.

Don't know which is worse there. The trolls, the fudds, or the keyboard commando experts.

My vote is for the SOFAOPS guys

Glock9mmOldStyle · « **Reply #36 on:** January 11, 2012, 01:11:56 AM »

Quote from: yance on December 28, 2011, 04:47:28 PM

youre right...individual safes for the different individual parts is the safest option so they cant get back out without you knowing.

Sorry this wont work either. As all glock parts take a safe cracking course before they leave the factory in Austria. FYI - to make matters worse any cross-platform firearm that can except glock parts of ANY KIND such as my Kel-Tec sub2000 carbine (see avatar) will if possible, aid in their glock comrades escape. I have found the only safe way to store a glock firearm is to place the parts in multiple safes, one inside of the multiple others; then have them launched into Geo-syncronis orbit by the European Space agency (they are the safest I'm told).

As I have said before all we need to do to defeat our enemies is to simply drop glocks and ammo in the middle of the night in their country's. Before sunrise of the the same day they would all be wiped out by these crafty, self loading, self pointing, levitating killer pistols.

yance · « **Reply #37 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:09:58 PM »

I heard it was a Glock that took out Kennedy...they framed the guy they accused of doing it because no one would believe the ultra uber safe Glock had an agenda. I smelled a rat right from the beginning, I wasnt even around during the assassination, but from the ballistics I knew it had to be a Glock!

Glock9mmOldStyle · « **Reply #38 on:** January 11, 2012, 06:54:37 PM »

Quote from: yance on January 11, 2012, 05:09:58 PM

I heard it was a Glock that took out Kennedy...they framed the guy they accused of doing it because no one would believe the ultra uber safe Glock had an agenda. I smelled a rat right from the beginning, I wasnt even around during the assassination, but from the ballistics I knew it had to be a Glock!

+1 Yance!

I am told that a Glock my have been responsible for Lincoln also. They say the pistol built it's own time machine to carry out the deed! Man these things are the devils spawn! Be scared, very scared .....

METL · « **Reply #39 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:08:29 PM »

My glock just rides around in my holster all day... kinda makes me sad that it's not a more interesting sidearm.... ahhh... the lost adventures we coulda had..

Super Trucker · « **Reply #40 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:04:58 PM »

yance · « **Reply #41 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:11:03 PM »

^^ Lmao

Side note: I heard that Glocks open carry Chuck Norris for self defense.

s_a_c · « **Reply #42 on:** March 02, 2012, 06:05:29 PM »

Permanent injunction? When did that happen? Is the case still on going? how did they get around preemption?

TheQ · « **Reply #43 on:** March 02, 2012, 08:05:57 PM »

Quote from: s_a_c on March 02, 2012, 06:05:29 PM

Permanent injunction? When did that happen? Is the case still on going? how did they get around preemption?

The permanent injunction happened back in May, 2011. It enjoins the general public. There is now no TRO against MOC. It is important to note a TRO is different than a PPO. A TRO against a person or an organization will not prevent that person or members of that organization from getting or holding a CPL.

The case is currently in the appeals court and we expect an answer on that case sometimes this spring.

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Author Topic: Questions about CADL Case Status and legal fund (Read 19977 times)